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Post by socalaztecfan on May 5, 2019 8:37:58 GMT -8
Dude singlehandedly lost the last two games for us.
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Post by azteca on May 5, 2019 10:13:40 GMT -8
I hold Andy Green responsible for putting Yates in during those two games. If you look back at the time Trevor was closing, he had frequent problems when put into games in non-save situations. Apparently Yates mentality is the same. Even if Yates were to not allow the winning runs in those two games, who was Green going to come in for the save? Roberts played it the way it should have been. And it really irritates me that the media isn’t more critical of how the situations were handled!
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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2019 10:39:02 GMT -8
I hold Andy Green responsible for putting Yates in during those two games. If you look back at the time Trevor was closing, he had frequent problems when put into games in non-save situations. Apparently Yates mentality is the same. Even if Yates were to not allow the winning runs in those two games, who was Green going to come in for the save? Roberts played it the way it should have been. And it really irritates me that the media isn’t more critical of how the situations were handled! Think about it for a minute. You are at home, and you bring in Yates in the top of the 9th in a tie game. At this point, the closer for the home team is just another pitcher. You are either going to win the game in the bottom of the 9th, or in extra innings. If you win, it's going to be a walk-off win. No chance for a save. I don't like Andy Green either, but once you get to the 9th, there is no sense saving Yates for something he can't get--a save. |
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Post by azteca on May 5, 2019 11:02:54 GMT -8
I hold Andy Green responsible for putting Yates in during those two games. If you look back at the time Trevor was closing, he had frequent problems when put into games in non-save situations. Apparently Yates mentality is the same. Even if Yates were to not allow the winning runs in those two games, who was Green going to come in for the save? Roberts played it the way it should have been. And it really irritates me that the media isn’t more critical of how the situations were handled! Think about it for a minute. You are at home, and you bring in Yates in the top of the 9th in a tie game. At this point, the closer for the home team is just another pitcher. You are either going to win the game in the bottom of the 9th, or in extra innings. If you win, it's going to be a walk-off win. No chance for a save. I don't like Andy Green either, but once you get to the 9th, there is no sense saving Yates for something he can't get--a save. But, if he does’t pitch well in those situations, why put him in the position. Especially the second night after he had failed the night before? |
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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2019 16:02:44 GMT -8
Think about it for a minute. You are at home, and you bring in Yates in the top of the 9th in a tie game. At this point, the closer for the home team is just another pitcher. You are either going to win the game in the bottom of the 9th, or in extra innings. If you win, it's going to be a walk-off win. No chance for a save. I don't like Andy Green either, but once you get to the 9th, there is no sense saving Yates for something he can't get--a save. But, if he does’t pitch well in those situations, why put him in the position. Especially the second night after he had failed the night before? So, you don't put Yates out there again in that situation because you THINK he might pitch poorly again? |
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Post by azteca on May 5, 2019 16:05:24 GMT -8
But, if he does’t pitch well in those situations, why put him in the position. Especially the second night after he had failed the night before? So, you don't put Yates out there again in that situation because you THINK he might pitch poorly again? He had Stammen ready, why not use him and save Yates? |
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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2019 16:13:01 GMT -8
So, you don't put Yates out there again in that situation because you THINK he might pitch poorly again? He had Stammen ready, why not use him and save Yates? Save Yates for what? If Stammen came in for the 9th and got the Dodgers out without giving up a run, the game would have gone extras, and Green would have probably used Yates in extras. |
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Post by azteca on May 5, 2019 16:46:13 GMT -8
He had Stammen ready, why not use him and save Yates? Save Yates for what? If Stammen came in for the 9th and got the Dodgers out without giving up a run, the game would have gone extras, and Green would have probably used Yates in extras. Or put Stammen out for another inning. It’s obvious we agree to disagree here and that’s all good! |
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Post by AztecBill on May 5, 2019 17:25:07 GMT -8
It is very common to use your closer at home in the ninth inning in a tie game. That is standard operating procedure for baseball. No fault to Green. If he had put in a different pitcher and the Padres lost via that pitcher giving up a run, everyone would be freaking out about not pitching Yates.
Yates did not cost us two games. Both games were tied so at best we had a 50/50 shot. So that is an equivalent of one game, unless you think it was a sure thing that the Padres would win two walk-off victories in those two games. You can never lose a full game by giving up just one run.
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Post by AztecBill on May 5, 2019 17:27:48 GMT -8
I hold Andy Green responsible for putting Yates in during those two games. If you look back at the time Trevor was closing, he had frequent problems when put into games in non-save situations. Apparently Yates mentality is the same. Even if Yates were to not allow the winning runs in those two games, who was Green going to come in for the save? Roberts played it the way it should have been. And it really irritates me that the media isn’t more critical of how the situations were handled! Trevor actually had a better ERA in tie games than he did when the Padres were ahead. |
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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -8
Save Yates for what? If Stammen came in for the 9th and got the Dodgers out without giving up a run, the game would have gone extras, and Green would have probably used Yates in extras. Or put Stammen out for another inning. It’s obvious we agree to disagree here and that’s all good! True, they could run Stammen out there for as many innings as they want. We do disagree, but that's one of the joys of baseball.  |
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Post by AztecBill on May 5, 2019 20:43:43 GMT -8
Or put Stammen out for another inning. It’s obvious we agree to disagree here and that’s all good! True, they could run Stammen out there for as many innings as they want. We do disagree, but that's one of the joys of baseball. It is a stupid discussion. Home teams in Extra Innings starting in the 9th in tie games pitch their best pitcher. Kirby Yates is our best pitcher. The reason is very simple. If you are going to score in the 9th inning shutting out the opponent in the top of the ninth will win the game. If you are not going to score in the ninth inning giving up a run in the ninth will lose the game. That is not true except in the ninth inning or Extra Innings. |
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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2019 22:32:04 GMT -8
True, they could run Stammen out there for as many innings as they want. We do disagree, but that's one of the joys of baseball. It is a stupid discussion. Home teams in Extra Innings starting in the 9th in tie games pitch their best pitcher. Kirby Yates is our best pitcher. The reason is very simple. If you are going to score in the 9th inning shutting out the opponent in the top of the ninth will win the game. If you are not going to score in the ninth inning giving up a run in the ninth will lose the game. That is not true except in the ninth inning or Extra Innings. Then maybe you shouldn't worry about it. |
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Post by socalaztecfan on May 7, 2019 13:25:00 GMT -8
It is very common to use your closer at home in the ninth inning in a tie game. That is standard operating procedure for baseball. No fault to Green. If he had put in a different pitcher and the Padres lost via that pitcher giving up a run, everyone would be freaking out about not pitching Yates. Yates did not cost us two games. Both games were tied so at best we had a 50/50 shot. So that is an equivalent of one game, unless you think it was a sure thing that the Padres would win two walk-off victories in those two games. You can never lose a full game by giving up just one run. When you walk a batter with the bases loaded, yeah you cost your team the game. |
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Post by aardvark on May 7, 2019 13:32:49 GMT -8
It is very common to use your closer at home in the ninth inning in a tie game. That is standard operating procedure for baseball. No fault to Green. If he had put in a different pitcher and the Padres lost via that pitcher giving up a run, everyone would be freaking out about not pitching Yates. Yates did not cost us two games. Both games were tied so at best we had a 50/50 shot. So that is an equivalent of one game, unless you think it was a sure thing that the Padres would win two walk-off victories in those two games. You can never lose a full game by giving up just one run. When you walk a batter with the bases loaded, yeah you cost your team the game. Yeah, he's lost 2 games. But saved 14. All pitchers have bad days on occasion--even the great ones. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 7, 2019 20:06:55 GMT -8
He didn't lose the games because the games were never won - they were tie games. You cannot lose something that you never had.
Giving up a ninth-inning grand slam when you needed a strikeout to win the game that's losing the game. That is because you had the game won with one result and had the loss with the other result. Yates could not have won the game by having a scoreless inning. He gave up a tie not a won game.
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Post by aardvark on May 8, 2019 9:32:42 GMT -8
He didn't lose the games because the games were never won - they were tie games. You cannot lose something that you never had. Giving up a ninth-inning grand slam when you needed a strikeout to win the game that's losing the game. That is because you had the game won with one result and had the loss with the other result. Yates could not have won the game by having a scoreless inning. He gave up a tie not a won game. So...the 2 losses Yates has aren't really losses? |
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2019 17:01:23 GMT -8
He didn't lose the games because the games were never won - they were tie games. You cannot lose something that you never had. Giving up a ninth-inning grand slam when you needed a strikeout to win the game that's losing the game. That is because you had the game won with one result and had the loss with the other result. Yates could not have won the game by having a scoreless inning. He gave up a tie not a won game. So...the 2 losses Yates has aren't really losses? They are two games that if he was perfect in those games there was a 50/50 chance we would lose each of them. Compare that to the Dodger closer who if he was perfect the Dodgers would have won and instead because of his lack of perfection the Dodgers lost. That is losing a game. |
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Post by aardvark on May 9, 2019 21:56:55 GMT -8
So...the 2 losses Yates has aren't really losses? They are two games that if he was perfect in those games there was a 50/50 chance we would lose each of them. Compare that to the Dodger closer who if he was perfect the Dodgers would have won and instead because of his lack of perfection the Dodgers lost. That is losing a game.  |
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2019 22:44:02 GMT -8
We disagree on terminology. Can we agree if you come in for a save and exit the game tied that is much better than if you enter the game for a save and exit the game with a deficit?
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