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Post by aztecfred on Mar 12, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -8
We have to admit athletics is big business we just found out a new revenue source.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:39:15 GMT -8
And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S. There was an interesting article in The Atlantic that discussed the role of athletics in admissions at elite universities. “All applicants to Harvard are ranked on a scale of one to six based on their academic qualifications, and athletes who scored a four were accepted at a rate of about 70 percent. Yet the admit rate for nonathletes with the same score was 0.076 percent—nearly 1,000 times lower. Similarly, 83 percent of athletes with a top academic score got an acceptance letter, compared with 16 percent of nonathletes. Legacy admissions policies get a lot of flak for privileging white applicants, but athletes have a much bigger effect on admissions, and make up a much bigger percentage of the class. And it’s not just Harvard—in 2002, James Schulman and former Princeton University President William Bowen looked at 30 selective colleges and found that athletes were given a 48 percent boost in admissions, compared with 25 percent for legacies and 18 percent for racial minorities.” www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/573688/This article discusses not only the lower standards for admissions but who benefits at elite schools. These lower standards disproportionately impact white wealthy privileged people. A considerable percentage of student athletes participate in expensive sports dominated by white elites, sports like sailing, crew, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, golf, equestrian programs, gymnastics, and squash. This is a defacto affirmative action program that lowers the standards for wealthy white students who have spent tons of money to hone their skills in these sports. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission. Of course it’s a college athletics scandal, it’s more than that as well but it’s also includes athletics. Coaches were allowing prospective students to pose as fake athletes for purposes of admission. Coaches have already been suspended as a result of this. According to the DOJ,it is a college admissions scandal. One aspect of the scandal involved misidentifying applicants as student athletes. These crimes were not perpetrated for the benefit of athletes or the athletic programs. |
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2019 11:36:16 GMT -8
Of course it’s a college athletics scandal, it’s more than that as well but it’s also includes athletics. Coaches were allowing prospective students to pose as fake athletes for purposes of admission. Coaches have already been suspended as a result of this. According to the DOJ,it is a college admissions scandal. One aspect of the scandal involved misidentifying applicants as student athletes. These crimes were not perpetrated for the benefit of athletes or the athletic programs. If they were being listed as athletes without the coaches knowledge then I would agree with you. But, when the coaches are actively participating in this fraud then it does make it an athletics scandal too. The fact that coaches are being suspended (and probably fired) just proves that point. |
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Post by junior on Mar 12, 2019 12:10:22 GMT -8
And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S. I have always felt SAT was a very poor indicator of a person’s ability to perform well in school. The fact that I only got 1190 has nothing to do with it. High school grades and GPA tend to be better predictors of eventual college success than SAT and/or ACT scores. But like everything else in ' the US educational testing system' (Also see: Educational Testing System - ETS and College Board Program - CBP) wherever big money is involved, there is plenty available to grease the rails … |
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Post by jdgaucho on Mar 12, 2019 12:24:24 GMT -8
Why would anyone cheat to get into USD? Ugh. Because it's a pretty little school up the hill? And located in America's Finest City?? |
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Post by jdgaucho on Mar 12, 2019 12:25:47 GMT -8
www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/education/sd-me-cheating-scandal-20190312-story.htmlInvestigators say Martin Fox was part of a complicated scheme to get students admitted to such elite schools as USD, the University of Southern California and Yale — by helping them to cheat on entrance exams or to create false athletic records that would make their application look better.
The Justice Department indicted says Singer funneled some of the bribe money through Fox, who is described as the president of a private tennis academy and camp in Houston.
“Fox arranged ...bribes, on two occasions, with a varsity sports coach at USD,” the indictment says.
“In or about 2016, in change for a bribe paid through Fox, the coach designated (that) the son of one of Singer’s clients, who did not play the sport, as a recruit for the university’s team, thereby facilitating his admission to USD.
“Singer paid Fox approximately $100,000 for arranging the bribe”
The indictment also says, “In or about 2017, in exchange for the promise of an additional bribe, the coach designated another student as a recruit to manage the coach’s team, thereby facilitating her admission to USD.
“Although the student ultimately decided not to attend USD, Singer paid the USD coach $10,000 for his help in securing her admission.”
USD officials were preparing a statement on the matter late Tuesday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 12:37:00 GMT -8
This is actually some decent pub for USD. Doubt anyone has ever thought of it as an "elite" school.
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Post by jdgaucho on Mar 12, 2019 12:46:00 GMT -8
Meanwhile in La Jolla, UCSD might be getting nervous...
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Post by sdsudevil on Mar 12, 2019 13:18:09 GMT -8
So this is the real reason I didn't go to Harvard.
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Post by jdgaucho on Mar 12, 2019 13:22:17 GMT -8
So this is the real reason I didn't go to Harvard. Guess all you had to say on your application was "I played Lacrosse," and you would have been golden. |
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Post by zurac315 on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:54 GMT -8
I was admitted to Stanford. Chose SDSU instead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 13:26:01 GMT -8
So this is the real reason I didn't go to Harvard. Guess all you had to say on your application was "I played Lacrosse," and you would have been golden. Get your kids enrolled in a squash program |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 12, 2019 14:11:53 GMT -8
This is actually some decent pub for USD. Doubt anyone has ever thought of it as an "elite" school. Coincidence? USD just raised their tuition to over $50,000 per year. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 12, 2019 14:44:11 GMT -8
Probably just the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by 94sdsu on Mar 12, 2019 15:14:29 GMT -8
I'm actually not even sure why there's an issue here. Most of these schools are private institutions....they should be allowed to select whoever they want. Take U$C for example...you pay a big enough amount, you'll get in there for sure. Total non issue in my eyes. I am surprised these dumb people paid a middle man to get their kids in when they could have simply gone straight to the school and said "here's $100k on top of the annual tuition, accept my kid"
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Post by hoobs on Mar 12, 2019 15:52:50 GMT -8
I'm actually not even sure why there's an issue here. Most of these schools are private institutions....they should be allowed to select whoever they want. Take U$C for example...you pay a big enough amount, you'll get in there for sure. Total non issue in my eyes. I am surprised these dumb people paid a middle man to get their kids in when they could have simply gone straight to the school and said "here's $100k on top of the annual tuition, accept my kid" I get it... but the private schools still take in millions of dollars in federal funds for research grants... so still getting public money, therefore transparency etc. Now, if a private school wanted to forego ALL public money... maybe. But then the NCAA would have questions for them about eligibility of athletes and such. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 17:04:41 GMT -8
I'm actually not even sure why there's an issue here. Most of these schools are private institutions....they should be allowed to select whoever they want. Take U$C for example...you pay a big enough amount, you'll get in there for sure. Total non issue in my eyes. I am surprised these dumb people paid a middle man to get their kids in when they could have simply gone straight to the school and said "here's $100k on top of the annual tuition, accept my kid" You are missing the point. The institutions didn’t “want” to admit these students. These students provided fraudulent academic and athletic records to gain admission to the universities. They didn’t make the cut. Private institutions do have their own admissions standards. Those standards were being manipulated. |
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Post by aztech on Mar 12, 2019 17:05:10 GMT -8
I think many of us suspected this has always been going on because of wealth and notoriety. It probably got investigated because it was getting out of hand. Follow the money.
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Post by chris92065 on Mar 12, 2019 18:11:43 GMT -8
The joke of all of this is there are very few professions where the school you go to truly matters.
The days of going to an “elite” college are over.
As far as I am concerned, I can’t imagine what the difference is between San Diego state and UCSD compared to Stanford or UCLA.
Unless, you have a desire to be a veterinarian or dental school then I could understand going to Pacific or UC Davis.
These people got scammed.
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