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Post by aztecterrier on Mar 12, 2019 6:53:18 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 7:32:59 GMT -8
Cheating to get into Stanford, Yale, UCLA, UT, USD?
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2019 7:38:00 GMT -8
Aside for USD it looks like these were mostly Power schools. I’m guessing a slight slap on the wrist will be the only punishment by the NCAA. If it was SDSU, Nevada, New Mexico, etc...oh boy the hammer would be coming down.
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Post by couldashoulda on Mar 12, 2019 7:58:12 GMT -8
I just read an article about this. This is not JUST for athletes. In fact, the story I read indicated that athletes were a smaller part of the issue. It basically was an effort spearheaded by a guy that set up a charitable account to which wealthy folks would pay up to $75,000 to have SAT and ACT tests taken on their child's behalf. Not sure how the two actresses got caught up in it, but that is an interesting side story I bet. While the story I read didn't talk specifics, I would be a bit surprised if this involved USD athletics.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2019 8:02:35 GMT -8
I just read an article about this. This is not JUST for athletes. In fact, the story I read indicated that athletes were a smaller part of the issue. It basically was an effort spearheaded by a guy that set up a charitable account to which wealthy folks would pay up to $75,000 to have SAT and ACT tests taken on their child's behalf. Not sure how the two actresses got caught up in it, but that is an interesting side story I bet. While the story I read didn't talk specifics, I would be a bit surprised if this involved USD athletics. What I read is that one of the actresses paid a large amount of money to get their kid accepted into the school under the guise of being on the crew team when they were not actually an athlete.
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Post by aztecfred on Mar 12, 2019 8:05:16 GMT -8
Watched the news conference but, didn't noticed any mention USD?
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Post by aztecterrier on Mar 12, 2019 8:13:49 GMT -8
I just read an article about this. This is not JUST for athletes. In fact, the story I read indicated that athletes were a smaller part of the issue. It basically was an effort spearheaded by a guy that set up a charitable account to which wealthy folks would pay up to $75,000 to have SAT and ACT tests taken on their child's behalf. Not sure how the two actresses got caught up in it, but that is an interesting side story I bet. While the story I read didn't talk specifics, I would be a bit surprised if this involved USD athletics. "The plot involved students who attended or were seeking to attend Georgetown University, Stanford University, UCLA, the University of San Diego, USC, University of Texas, Wake Forest, and Yale, according to federal prosecutors." -New York Times Surprise, surprise, surprise!
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Post by longtimebooster on Mar 12, 2019 8:30:27 GMT -8
Why would anyone cheat to get into USD? Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:30:50 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:33:40 GMT -8
With respect to admissions, the indictment listed all the schools as "highly selective," with one exception. USD is just "selective." Lol.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2019 9:49:59 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission. Of course it’s a college athletics scandal, it’s more than that as well but it’s also includes athletics. Coaches were allowing prospective students to pose as fake athletes for purposes of admission. Coaches have already been suspended as a result of this.
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Post by longtimebooster on Mar 12, 2019 9:50:59 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission. And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Mar 12, 2019 9:55:26 GMT -8
Jerry Tarkanian: The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky that they're gonna give Cleveland State another year of probation
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Post by chris92065 on Mar 12, 2019 9:57:35 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission. And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S. I have always felt SAT was a very poor indicator of a person’s ability to perform well in school. The fact that I only got 1190 has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:00:04 GMT -8
Read the article guys. This is not a college athletics scandal. This is a scandal of wealth and privilege. People are committing bribery to get their children into college. These children are not college athletes. They are rich kids who don’t have the grades and test scores to get into the institution of their choosing. So, mommy/daddy paid people to cheat on standardized tests. They also paid university administrators and or coaches to designate these silver spoon slackers as athletes. Athletes are a special class of student who enjoy a much lower standard for admission. And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S. There was an interesting article in The Atlantic that discussed the role of athletics in admissions at elite universities. “All applicants to Harvard are ranked on a scale of one to six based on their academic qualifications, and athletes who scored a four were accepted at a rate of about 70 percent. Yet the admit rate for nonathletes with the same score was 0.076 percent—nearly 1,000 times lower. Similarly, 83 percent of athletes with a top academic score got an acceptance letter, compared with 16 percent of nonathletes. Legacy admissions policies get a lot of flak for privileging white applicants, but athletes have a much bigger effect on admissions, and make up a much bigger percentage of the class. And it’s not just Harvard—in 2002, James Schulman and former Princeton University President William Bowen looked at 30 selective colleges and found that athletes were given a 48 percent boost in admissions, compared with 25 percent for legacies and 18 percent for racial minorities.” www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/573688/
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 12, 2019 10:07:03 GMT -8
It has always been that way and always will.
How do you think Bush got into Yale or Kennedy into the London School of Economics and Princeton and Harvard. Not through their academics in high school.
I would have included Trump getting into the Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania also but he transferred in as a junior so it is possible. He never could have qualified as a freshman though.
I guess this case is a bit different in that they cheated their way in instead of just donating a bunch of money to the school.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 12, 2019 10:17:06 GMT -8
And I'm guessing it's just the very tip of a very, very large iceberg. I've been saying for years that if an enterprising journalist ever wanted to win a Pulitzer, they'd go to China, Korea, India, etc., and check out the SAT testing centers there. Up to 20% of all students at places like UCSD, UCLA, Cal, etc., are from overseas. Are we certain their admissions test scores are legit? Really? I'm guessing that cheating is rampant overseas and probably only semi-rampant here in the U.S. I have always felt SAT was a very poor indicator of a person’s ability to perform well in school. The fact that I only got 1190 has nothing to do with it. Check out the big brain on Brad! Signed, Mr. 1000
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Post by fowl on Mar 12, 2019 10:23:13 GMT -8
It has always been that way and always will. How do you think Bush got into Yale or Kennedy into the London School of Economics and Princeton and Harvard. Not through their academics in high school. I would have included Trump getting into the Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania also but he transferred in as a junior so it is possible. He never could have qualified as a freshman though. I guess this case is a bit different in that they cheated their way in instead of just donating a bunch of money to the school.
Bingo. If you have money and connections you can get into any school. Look at how Jared Kushner made his way into Harvard... www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard
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Post by chris92065 on Mar 12, 2019 10:28:55 GMT -8
It has always been that way and always will. How do you think Bush got into Yale or Kennedy into the London School of Economics and Princeton and Harvard. Not through their academics in high school. I would have included Trump getting into the Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania also but he transferred in as a junior so it is possible. He never could have qualified as a freshman though. I guess this case is a bit different in that they cheated their way in instead of just donating a bunch of money to the school.
Bingo. If you have money and connections you can get into any school. Look at how Jared Kushner made his way into Harvard... www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvardCmon It’s the same for all elites. And it has been going on since the foundation of universities in this country. If we started name dropping the list would be in the 1000’s.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2019 10:37:11 GMT -8
Cmon It’s the same for all elites. And it has been going on since the foundation of universities in this country. If we started name dropping the list would be in the 1000’s. There is a different standard for rich, powerful (and usually white) people in most facets of life. The recent sentence for Paul Manafort is a perfect example. This isn’t new or shocking to most people.
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