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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 5:27:14 GMT -8
Wow, a sensitive one. It is a fact that people are leaving CA for places like Arizona, Nevada, and Texas. California leads the nation in outbound migration of residents. No, they are tired of the tax rates, homeless issues, and generally the nasty political scene, but the love the weather and Aztec football. That's about all that keeps them there, right Bubba? Not sensitive, just annoyed at the time we live in where people just make crap up and claim it’s a fact. California is the richest and most prosperous state, it’s not failing. Yet, people are leaving are high rates. Highest in the country. It' is a fact. Sorry. You want me to post the stats?
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 5:29:22 GMT -8
It's nice to read thoughtful discussion & disagreement. :-) You raise many excellent points and CA is *clearly* far from perfect. I would argue that some of the industry challenges / changes aren't exclusively reflective of CA issues. For example, movement of defense industry HQs to the DC / VA / MD area is a reflection of the importance of lobbying congress and DoD more than anything negative about CA. Also, plants such as Lockheed Martin's Space Systems Company remains with a large presence in the Bay Area. Impending bankruptcy in some places due to pension obligations, etc... yes, examples of good points where CA has issues. (Btw, haven't lived in CA since 2000, but visit frequently. As far as roads, the ones here in Virginia are just as bad... ) Cheers. CA and SD in particular...are seeing a spike in defense spending due to the Pacific being the most likely to see action: Defense Budget Increase Could Be a Boon for San Diego www.nbcsandiego.com/on-air/as-seen-on/Defense-Budget-Increase-Could-Be-a-Boon-for-San-Diego_San-Diego-477695603.htmlAgreed. Cubic is located in SD and is a great company that is doing well, at least in the region I work.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 29, 2018 7:17:42 GMT -8
Not sensitive, just annoyed at the time we live in where people just make crap up and claim it’s a fact. California is the richest and most prosperous state, it’s not failing. Yet, people are leaving are high rates. Highest in the country. It' is a fact. Sorry. You want me to post the stats? People are leaving for a variety of reasons...it's either they cannot afford to...or they are cashing out...selling their home for $650,000 or more...then moving to a state where they can buy a similar home...the same-sized home in Normal Heights would be $650-800,000 ( www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Nashville-TN/pmf,pf_pt/41179023_zpid/6118_rid/250000-_price/1001-_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/36.482036,-86.337433,35.866795,-87.220459_rect/9_zm/)...and you'll have a couple hundred thousand in the bank...let's face it...there is no better place to live than San Diego...ten toes down...the state has it's issues...but overall there is no better state...it's progressive and one has the ability to rise...change your station in life...you can absolutely come from dead broke to billionaire...that's the beauty of the state...in TN, MS, AR, etc...if you're born poor...you will likely die poor...so haters gonna hate.....
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 7:34:14 GMT -8
Yet, people are leaving are high rates. Highest in the country. It' is a fact. Sorry. You want me to post the stats? People are leaving for a variety of reasons...it's either they cannot afford to...or they are cashing out...selling their home for $650,000 or more...then moving to a state where they can buy a similar home...the same-sized home in Normal Heights would be $650-800,000 ( www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Nashville-TN/pmf,pf_pt/41179023_zpid/6118_rid/250000-_price/1001-_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/36.482036,-86.337433,35.866795,-87.220459_rect/9_zm/)...and you'll have a couple hundred thousand in the bank...let's face it...there is no better place to live than San Diego...ten toes down...the state has it's issues...but overall there is no better state...it's progressive and one has the ability to rise...change your station in life...you can absolutely come from dead broke to billionaire...that's the beauty of the state...in TN, MS, AR, etc... if you're born poor...you will likely die poor...so haters gonna hate.....This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on Aztecmesa.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 29, 2018 8:06:29 GMT -8
People are leaving for a variety of reasons...it's either they cannot afford to...or they are cashing out...selling their home for $650,000 or more...then moving to a state where they can buy a similar home...the same-sized home in Normal Heights would be $650-800,000 ( www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Nashville-TN/pmf,pf_pt/41179023_zpid/6118_rid/250000-_price/1001-_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/36.482036,-86.337433,35.866795,-87.220459_rect/9_zm/)...and you'll have a couple hundred thousand in the bank...let's face it...there is no better place to live than San Diego...ten toes down...the state has it's issues...but overall there is no better state...it's progressive and one has the ability to rise...change your station in life...you can absolutely come from dead broke to billionaire...that's the beauty of the state...in TN, MS, AR, etc... if you're born poor...you will likely die poor...so haters gonna hate.....This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on Aztecmesa. Care to expand?...or do you just sling insults?
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Post by fisher1fan on May 29, 2018 8:16:41 GMT -8
Need to put a head tax on the "bad" big businesses like the commie, Seattle City Council passed a couple weeks ago. Watch Amazon and other big companies leave Seattle. Went to St louis last week-end to visit wife's relatives and when everyone heard I lived north of Seattle, they laugh at me because Seattle is so stupid. California is right with Seattle goofies. Come to God's Country, the Great State of South Carolina! Business is booming there. BMW, Boeing, Michelin, FN America, PTR and others have all moved to SC in the past few years. My home value has gone up 25% in the 3 years since I bought it (seriously). Now, if I could just actually be there for any extended period of time. We are spending more of our time overseas nowadays. Nonetheless, SC is home. Now, if Grammy and Bubba would finally recognize that California is falling, and come see the their Granddaughter every day....... While I am happy your home increase 25%, that’s not impressive in the current economy over that timeframe “Rancho Bernardo (92128) had the biggest increase — 37.2 percent in a year — for a median of $539,000. It was followed by Bay Park (92110) with a 24.4 percent for a median of $444,000“ www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/real-estate/sd-fi-home-price-corelogic-20180321-story,amp.html
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 8:52:35 GMT -8
Come to God's Country, the Great State of South Carolina! Business is booming there. BMW, Boeing, Michelin, FN America, PTR and others have all moved to SC in the past few years. My home value has gone up 25% in the 3 years since I bought it (seriously). Now, if I could just actually be there for any extended period of time. We are spending more of our time overseas nowadays. Nonetheless, SC is home. Now, if Grammy and Bubba would finally recognize that California is falling, and come see the their Granddaughter every day....... While I am happy your home increase 25%, that’s not impressive in the current economy over that timeframe “Rancho Bernardo (92128) had the biggest increase — 37.2 percent in a year — for a median of $539,000. It was followed by Bay Park (92110) with a 24.4 percent for a median of $444,000“ www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/real-estate/sd-fi-home-price-corelogic-20180321-story,amp.html I just double checked......my town, Folly Beach had an increase of 41% since 2013, and Charleston proper had a 36.8.% increase. So, I actually downplayed it. I am conservative I guess.
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Post by fisher1fan on May 29, 2018 8:56:29 GMT -8
I just double checked......my town, Folly Beach had an increase of 41% since 2013, and Charleston proper had a 36.8.% increase. So, I actually downplayed it. I am conservative I guess. Makes more sense. People should anticipate their home prices to drop in the future. We are overdue for downturn. I just bought last month, so I don’t care if the value drops. I have my home and can afford it. 3 years ago was one of the best times to buy in recent history.
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 8:57:22 GMT -8
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on Aztecmesa. Care to expand?...or do you just sling insults? Care to expand? It is a stupid statement, because Southern States have upward mobility. Yes, Southern States have a lower upward mobility on national average than their Northern brethren, but they still have upward mobility statistically. Furthermore, per Pew, California's economic upward mobility is in line with the national average. Thus, made a stupid statement. Carry on.
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 8:58:15 GMT -8
I just double checked......my town, Folly Beach had an increase of 41% since 2013, and Charleston proper had a 36.8.% increase. So, I actually downplayed it. I am conservative I guess. Makes more sense. People should anticipate their home prices to drop in the future. We are overdue for downturn. I just bought last month, so I don’t care if the value drops. I have my home and can afford it. 3 years ago was one of the best times to buy in recent history. Agreed. I should have bought in 2012, but I chickened out. Could have gotten my current house for about $50k less.
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Post by aztecking on May 29, 2018 10:23:37 GMT -8
I just double checked......my town, Folly Beach had an increase of 41% since 2013, and Charleston proper had a 36.8.% increase. So, I actually downplayed it. I am conservative I guess. I bought my San Diego home in 2013 and it’s increased in value by 50%. The entire market has increased so your town is nothing special. My home probably cost more though so I gained more in equity...
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 10:36:04 GMT -8
I just double checked......my town, Folly Beach had an increase of 41% since 2013, and Charleston proper had a 36.8.% increase. So, I actually downplayed it. I am conservative I guess. I bought my San Diego home in 2013 and it’s increased in value by 50%. The entire market has increased so your town is nothing special. My home probably cost more though so I gained more in equity... This is a good thing. I am happy for you. My friends may get mad at me, but you too are welcome to move to South Carolina. Our business friendly laws, relatively low income tax rates are appealing. In fact, you can rent my beach condo the six months out of the year we are not there. Just wire me rent on the 1st of each month, and stay out of the walk-in closet.
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Post by aztech on May 29, 2018 10:41:23 GMT -8
Makes more sense. People should anticipate their home prices to drop in the future. We are overdue for downturn. I just bought last month, so I don’t care if the value drops. I have my home and can afford it. 3 years ago was one of the best times to buy in recent history. Agreed. I should have bought in 2012, but I chickened out. Could have gotten my current house for about $50k less. I've traveled around coastal Carolina and definitely prefer to remain in Nor Cal. There's no question that the amount of land one can buy back there is incredibly cheap. However, to each his/her own concerning the weather and lifestyle. BTW, do you have city water and sewage or wells and septic tanks?
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 10:43:30 GMT -8
Agreed. I should have bought in 2012, but I chickened out. Could have gotten my current house for about $50k less. I've traveled around coastal Carolina and definitely prefer to remain in Nor Cal. There's no question that the amount of land one can buy back there is incredibly cheap. However, to each his/her own concerning the weather and lifestyle. BTW, do you have city water and sewage or wells and septic tanks? I have city water, and sewage, but we live on a barrier island. However, some in rural communities use septic. Hell, my former Father-in-Law in Harvard, MA still uses a septic tank. I am not sure how many places do.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 29, 2018 14:42:05 GMT -8
Care to expand?...or do you just sling insults? Care to expand? It is a stupid statement, because Southern States have upward mobility. Yes, Southern States have a lower upward mobility on national average than their Northern brethren, but they still have upward mobility statistically. Furthermore, per Pew, California's economic upward mobility is in line with the national average. Thus, made a stupid statement. Carry on. At the end of the day, we ended up with this list of the Poorest States for 2018: 1. Mississippi 2. New Mexico 3. Alabama 4. Louisiana 5. South Carolina 6. Kentucky 7. Georgia 8. North Carolina 9. West Virginia 10. Arkansas www.roadsnacks.net/poorest-states-in-america/If you're born broke in these states, you're most likely to die broke...and it's been this way since forever...there is no upward mobility...unless it's by accident...so this is a fact...not a statement......
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Post by azteca on May 29, 2018 15:00:32 GMT -8
Yet is the 5th largest economy in the world. I think CA's 'business competitiveness' is doing okay. Yes, regulatory regime is not "business-friendly"; yet the state fosters a culture creating and welcoming the greatest workforce talent in the world. Taken as a whole... CA clearly remains a place where companies want to do business. Yes, but California's economy is not as diverse as it used to be - and the size is based, for the most part, on the earnings of its tech industry. Here in San Diego we were close to losing Qualcomm to China. SAIC moved to Virginia years ago and most of our defense industry did so as well (pretty much all of the manufacturing did). California's water policies also negatively impact our agricultural industry and declining farm values have already been reported. California has an unfunded pension liability of anywhere from $330B-660B depending on whose data you look at and many cities are having trouble making their pension contributions (some have filed for bankruptcy). In recent years CALPERS has used a higher risk portfolio to shore up its funds which is great as long as the stock market continues an upwards trend. Most feel the market is due for an adjustment though recent changes in the federal tax law has pushed that off. I'm not sure about the area you live but my commute to work is on roads that should have been repaved a decade ago. According to US News and World Report our K-12 schools rank 44 in the nation. And you failed to mention the newly proposed tax on water use by the general public. In CA, the philosophy seems to be if it hasn't already been taxed find a way to do it😮
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Post by fanhood on May 29, 2018 21:35:38 GMT -8
Care to expand? It is a stupid statement, because Southern States have upward mobility. Yes, Southern States have a lower upward mobility on national average than their Northern brethren, but they still have upward mobility statistically. Furthermore, per Pew, California's economic upward mobility is in line with the national average. Thus, made a stupid statement. Carry on. At the end of the day, we ended up with this list of the Poorest States for 2018: 1. Mississippi 2. New Mexico 3. Alabama 4. Louisiana 5. South Carolina 6. Kentucky 7. Georgia 8. North Carolina 9. West Virginia 10. Arkansas www.roadsnacks.net/poorest-states-in-america/If you're born broke in these states, you're most likely to die broke...and it's been this way since forever...there is no upward mobility...unless it's by accident...so this is a fact...not a statement...... Again, stupid statement. Three of those States are in the top ten of GDP growth over the the past three years. But even that doesn't matter. The economies of those States have steadily grown, over the past twenty years, as they have across the rest of the country. Brookings did a similar study to Pew that shows you like to make ignorant generalizations. I love it when people make near absolute statements like "If you're born broke in those states you most likely die broke." Nice "road snack" google source though. You made a generalization that you have never researched, and are now trying to find information to support, said generalization. Well done.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 30, 2018 4:42:43 GMT -8
At the end of the day, we ended up with this list of the Poorest States for 2018: 1. Mississippi 2. New Mexico 3. Alabama 4. Louisiana 5. South Carolina 6. Kentucky 7. Georgia 8. North Carolina 9. West Virginia 10. Arkansas www.roadsnacks.net/poorest-states-in-america/If you're born broke in these states, you're most likely to die broke...and it's been this way since forever...there is no upward mobility...unless it's by accident...so this is a fact...not a statement...... Again, stupid statement. Three of those States are in the top ten of GDP growth over the the past three years. But even that doesn't matter. The economies of those States have steadily grown, over the past twenty years, as they have across the rest of the country. Brookings did a similar study to Pew that shows you like to make ignorant generalizations. I love it when people make near absolute statements like "If you're born broke in those states you most likely die broke." Nice "road snack" google source though. You made a generalization that you have never researched, and are now trying to find information to support, said generalization. Well done. Why It’s So Hard to Get Ahead in the South " Data suggests that Charlotte is a dead-end for people trying to escape poverty. That’s especially startling because the city is a leader in economic development in the South. Bank of America is headquartered here, and over the last two decades the city has become a hub for the financial services industry. In recent years, Charlotte and the surrounding area, Mecklenburg County, have ranked among the fastest-growing regions of the country." "Charlotte ranked dead last in an analysis of economic mobility in America’s 50 largest cities by the Equality of Opportunity Project, a team of researchers out of Harvard, Stanford and Berkeley led by Stanford’s Raj Chetty. Children born into the bottom 20 percent of the income distribution in Charlotte had just a 4.4 percent chance of making it to the top 20 percent of the income distribution. That’s compared to a 12.9 percent chance for children in San Jose, California, and 10.8 percent change for children in Salt Lake City. These statistics are troubling because mobility is essentially just a formal term for the American Dream—the ability to find a good job, provide for children, and do better than one’s parents did. Rather than making it into the middle class in Charlotte, poor children, who are majority black and Latino, are very likely to stay poor."www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/south-mobility-charlotte/521763/
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Post by fanhood on May 30, 2018 20:50:36 GMT -8
Again, stupid statement. Three of those States are in the top ten of GDP growth over the the past three years. But even that doesn't matter. The economies of those States have steadily grown, over the past twenty years, as they have across the rest of the country. Brookings did a similar study to Pew that shows you like to make ignorant generalizations. I love it when people make near absolute statements like "If you're born broke in those states you most likely die broke." Nice "road snack" google source though. You made a generalization that you have never researched, and are now trying to find information to support, said generalization. Well done. Why It’s So Hard to Get Ahead in the South " Data suggests that Charlotte is a dead-end for people trying to escape poverty. That’s especially startling because the city is a leader in economic development in the South. Bank of America is headquartered here, and over the last two decades the city has become a hub for the financial services industry. In recent years, Charlotte and the surrounding area, Mecklenburg County, have ranked among the fastest-growing regions of the country." "Charlotte ranked dead last in an analysis of economic mobility in America’s 50 largest cities by the Equality of Opportunity Project, a team of researchers out of Harvard, Stanford and Berkeley led by Stanford’s Raj Chetty. Children born into the bottom 20 percent of the income distribution in Charlotte had just a 4.4 percent chance of making it to the top 20 percent of the income distribution. That’s compared to a 12.9 percent chance for children in San Jose, California, and 10.8 percent change for children in Salt Lake City. These statistics are troubling because mobility is essentially just a formal term for the American Dream—the ability to find a good job, provide for children, and do better than one’s parents did. Rather than making it into the middle class in Charlotte, poor children, who are majority black and Latino, are very likely to stay poor."www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/south-mobility-charlotte/521763/Do you realize that the very data that you cite shows your generalization is wrong. It is comical. Your friends at the Atlantic do the same thing. It is amusing. Stop looking at the first article at the top of Google. Your realize there are reasons that is the first thing you see right? Do you want to know what the single most contributing factor to staying in poverty is? It has nothing to do with region. It is a having a single mom.
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Post by uwphoto on May 30, 2018 23:49:55 GMT -8
Geez, Nevada , Texas, etc. Think I'll take Yosemite, channel islands, redwoods, Joshua Tree, death valley, big Sur coast, Monterey, anza-borrego, the nine-mile bank, Catalina.. there are issues in Cali, but I can get to incredible places easily.
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