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Post by laaztec on May 14, 2019 15:42:00 GMT -8
I don’t blame him for not picking SDSU but don’t let us hold out hope for 12 months. Trim your list early and let SDSU go after a player that is actually considering coming to SDSU. Honestly, I am not surprised by either Jaden or Boogie. But had "high hopes" and "caviar dreams" Since Fish left (Bland & Hut, + Palmer), its still going to be hard to recuit 4-star, let alone 5-star players. Techincally Johnson is a ESPN 4-star kid, but not amongst the nationally ranked 100. The program was built on 2 and 3 star recruits with chips on their shoulders and transfers. We need to get back to finding diamonds in the rough.
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Post by jdaztec on May 14, 2019 16:36:40 GMT -8
May not have a choice.
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Post by aztecanthony on May 14, 2019 17:48:49 GMT -8
There has to be a way for the “adult coaches” to ask the key questions and determine the level of interest. Recruiting should be all about communication, if the kid isn’t buying what we are selling then move on. I’m sure the blue blood coaches are very good at this, very hard to believe we can talk to someone for years and not have a good idea about what the 16 or 17 year old is thinking. We’ve made the token final 5 or final 3 way too many times without anything to show for it. Too much time wasted IMO.
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Post by Gundo on May 14, 2019 18:23:39 GMT -8
We're even having tough luck with suitable Transfers. Is SDSU basketball becoming irrelevant? Say it ain't so Joe.
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Post by partytecs on May 14, 2019 18:32:19 GMT -8
If we are clearly out I hope he has told Dutch so we can go full bore after another player I would like to think that he’s been actively pursuing other options at the four. Coaches can’t hold back in the hopes that a single player would commit to the team. This especially true when that recruit is out of our league. I’d be annoyed as hell if the coaches fail to fill their final scholarship for the third year in a row. What do you think Yanni Wetzell was? He was Dutcher's replacement for Jalen. Do you think Yanni would come to SDSU if Jaden was coming SDSU? No way!!!!! That should have been your first clue that we were not getting Jaden.
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Post by partytecs on May 14, 2019 18:34:20 GMT -8
We're even having tough luck with suitable Transfers. Is SDSU basketball becoming irrelevant? Say it ain't so Joe. Because we lost to Ohio State and Arizona? And we beat Texas Tech?
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Post by Gundo on May 14, 2019 18:45:51 GMT -8
We're even having tough luck with suitable Transfers. Is SDSU basketball becoming irrelevant? Say it ain't so Joe. Because we lost to Ohio State and Arizona? And we beat Texas Tech? No becuase we're not in the consideration set of many. And Yanni is a nice grad transfer, but a one year rental.
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Post by aztecking on May 14, 2019 19:37:24 GMT -8
The last couple of responses to this thread does beg the question...are Dutcher and staff spinning their wheels going after a 5 star prospect? I mean, we are kind of damned if we do (such is the case here) and damned if we don't (the fan base being critical for not going after the higher rated recruits). I think this situation warranted going after such a highly rated player, because he brother played for us. If it was just some random top 5 recruit we had no connection to I would say it’s a waste of time. They sort of had to take the shot with him even though it was a long shot.
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Post by aztecking on May 14, 2019 19:53:37 GMT -8
I would like to think that he’s been actively pursuing other options at the four. Coaches can’t hold back in the hopes that a single player would commit to the team. This especially true when that recruit is out of our league. I’d be annoyed as hell if the coaches fail to fill their final scholarship for the third year in a row. What do you think Yanni Wetzell was? He was Dutcher's replacement for Jalen. Do you think Yanni would come to SDSU if Jaden was coming SDSU? No way!!!!! That should have been your first clue that we were not getting Jaden. I don’t understand the hype for this guy. He was a role player for arguably the worst P5 team in the country. It’s laughable to think he’ll replace even 40% of Jalen’s production. If he averages 6 ppg we should be happy.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:13:02 GMT -8
What do you think Yanni Wetzell was? He was Dutcher's replacement for Jalen. Do you think Yanni would come to SDSU if Jaden was coming SDSU? No way!!!!! That should have been your first clue that we were not getting Jaden. I don’t understand the hype for this guy. He was a role player for arguably the worst P5 team in the country. It’s laughable to think he’ll replace even 40% of Jalen’s production. If he averages 6 ppg we should be happy. I’m hopeful that he can be an impact player because he’s an Aztec. There is no reason to believe he’s the guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:13:17 GMT -8
What do you think Yanni Wetzell was? He was Dutcher's replacement for Jalen. Do you think Yanni would come to SDSU if Jaden was coming SDSU? No way!!!!! That should have been your first clue that we were not getting Jaden. I don’t understand the hype for this guy. He was a role player for arguably the worst P5 team in the country. It’s laughable to think he’ll replace even 40% of Jalen’s production. If he averages 6 ppg we should be happy. I’m hopeful that he can be an impact player because he’s an Aztec. There is no reason to believe he’s the guy.
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Post by Den60 on May 16, 2019 18:43:57 GMT -8
Given Jalen's recent comments about him choosing between two schools to stay home versus playing "far away" it sounds like we are no longer a consideration. We have been recruiting higher profile players and have likely been recruiting Jaden as long as we were recruiting Jalen. Perhaps we should go back to our roots and focus on the under the radar recruits rather than those guys who can pick from notable P5 schools.
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Post by Frantic on May 16, 2019 18:56:06 GMT -8
Given Jalen's recent comments about him choosing between two schools to stay home versus playing "far away" it sounds like we are no longer a consideration. We have been recruiting higher profile players and have likely been recruiting Jaden as long as we were recruiting Jalen. Perhaps we should go back to our roots and focus on the under the radar recruits rather than those guys who can pick from notable P5 schools. If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between.
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Post by azteccc on May 16, 2019 20:03:34 GMT -8
Given Jalen's recent comments about him choosing between two schools to stay home versus playing "far away" it sounds like we are no longer a consideration. We have been recruiting higher profile players and have likely been recruiting Jaden as long as we were recruiting Jalen. Perhaps we should go back to our roots and focus on the under the radar recruits rather than those guys who can pick from notable P5 schools. If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between. Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on!
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Post by chris92065 on May 16, 2019 21:55:28 GMT -8
If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between. Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on! In all honesty, you are the the Aztec basketball guru. Considering last years disappointing season, if you rule out recruiting, is there a developing players issue? From the outside, it appears that players didn’t improve from the year before. Is it a bump a in the road or something else? I ask you because I think you have the inside angles that I don’t and your opinion is most of the time spot on.
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Post by Gundo on May 16, 2019 22:34:23 GMT -8
Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on! In all honesty, you are the the Aztec basketball guru. Considering last years disappointing season, if you rule out recruiting, is there a developing players issue? From the outside, it appears that players didn’t improve from the year before. Is it a bump a in the road or something else? I ask you because I think you have the inside angles that I don’t and your opinion is most of the time spot on. Look at our record and status for the past three years. There's work to be done all the way around. Pope, Kell, Cheatham should have been a sweet 16 team.
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Post by Frantic on May 17, 2019 2:34:13 GMT -8
If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between. Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on! I suppose it depends on what recruiting site you look at. The traditional big two, Rivals and Scout, show SDSU's last 4* commit was McDaniels. Narain and Hemsley were obviously prior to McDaniels. I agree Malachi Flynn should be a good addition.
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Post by couldashoulda on May 17, 2019 8:35:25 GMT -8
This thread has sooooooo jumped the shark! As was pointed out above, Yanni would not have come here if there was ANY chance that Jaden was. As for Yanni being a one year rental, or whatever, that's what Jaden would have been too. And as for no player development...Arop and Nathan made nice strides as True Freshmen, earning nice minutes for Arop (who apparently was playing with an injury to boot), and starter's status for Nathan. It's time to move on.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on May 17, 2019 8:39:46 GMT -8
Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on![/quote ] I suppose it depends on what recruiting site you look at.
The traditional big two, Rivals and Scout, show SDSU's last 4* commit was McDaniels. Narain and Hemsley were obviously prior to McDaniels. I agree Malachi Flynn should be a good addition. Yah, who the f*ck's ever heard of this n00bish Jonhhny-come-lately, ESPN?
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Post by sdsustoner on May 17, 2019 10:31:08 GMT -8
What do you think Yanni Wetzell was? He was Dutcher's replacement for Jalen. Do you think Yanni would come to SDSU if Jaden was coming SDSU? No way!!!!! That should have been your first clue that we were not getting Jaden. I don’t understand the hype for this guy. He was a role player for arguably the worst P5 team in the country. It’s laughable to think he’ll replace even 40% of Jalen’s production. If he averages 6 ppg we should be happy. Like when we got that role player guard from a 15-16 WAZZU team in 2009?
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