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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 8:54:06 GMT -8
Blue bloods like Kentucky and Duke have a lot more to offer than mere glitz. True for sure. But many flame out or do not prioritized. Jadens trainers always emphasize going somewhere you'll be emphasized and have a good fit. When Jalen leaves, Jaden can slide right in here or at UW. The McDaniels seem like down to earth people and arent star struck. He’s number 5 in his class, he’ll slide right into a spot on any team. This isn’t a 30 to 70 recruit choosing Oregon or USC who may find himself lost on the pine. He’s been projected to be the #1 pick in 2020. We’ve never been in this position with this kind of player. Jalen is playing much better, which helps the cause. But there are a number of things that have got to be hurting our cause. • the Aztecs have been on a downward trend for three years. •The Aztecs lack of tv exposure. As compared to Kentucky, our games start really late. Some games aren’t available at all. Many are on the web only. Others are on networks that many households don’t have. We never appear on ESPN or the Networks like the blue bloods. •Jaden could have a problem with Jalen’s experiences on the Mesa. Jalen was redshirted his first year. In his second, it took months for the coaches to get him into the starting lineup. In his third season, his output was severely hampered for months when the coaches decided to go with an untraditional (2 guards 2 slow guards 1 skinny forward) lineup. •Jalen is likely gone next year •Jaden’s prospective teammates aren’t that impressive
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Post by hoobs on Feb 6, 2019 10:39:32 GMT -8
OTOH...
If we land the grad transfer combo guard, we actually will have a darn good roster next season. But not SOOO loaded that Jaden would be competing for attention. Nate Mensah would give him a sufficient interior presence to play off of, and Flynn gives him a dynamic playmaking partner at guard. Mitchell, Schakel, Arop, Seiko all being solid guys off the bench (not even getting to Narain, J Mensah & Chang). Jaden would be adequately "featured" with enough support that teams wouldn't be able to completely lock in on him on defense.
TV exposure is irrelevant. Professional scouts watch film and watch in person. TV exposure affects recruiting a bit, but not scouting.
The family knows and is apparently very comfortable with SDSU and the staff. And that matters more to this family than most.
None of that means he's a lock for SDSU, just that I think we still have a strong chance.
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Post by hoobs on Feb 6, 2019 10:40:02 GMT -8
Oh, and... woooooo, 28 pages! I think we can hit 30 before his announcement, come on folks...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 11:17:51 GMT -8
OTOH... If we land the grad transfer combo guard, we actually will have a darn good roster next season. But not SOOO loaded that Jaden would be competing for attention. Nate Mensah would give him a sufficient interior presence to play off of, and Flynn gives him a dynamic playmaking partner at guard. Mitchell, Schakel, Arop, Seiko all being solid guys off the bench (not even getting to Narain, J Mensah & Chang). Jaden would be adequately "featured" with enough support that teams wouldn't be able to completely lock in on him on defense. TV exposure is irrelevant. Professional scouts watch film and watch in person. TV exposure affects recruiting a bit, but not scouting. The family knows and is apparently very comfortable with SDSU and the staff. And that matters more to this family than most. None of that means he's a lock for SDSU, just that I think we still have a strong chance. What? Darn good roster? In this scenario we trade Watson and Hemsley for Flynn and KJ Feagin. This isn’t a guaranteed upgrade over the current back court. Can Flynn or Feagin defend as well as Hemsley? The rest of the roster will feature the same flawed players who have been integral to our struggles. Narain sucks. Joel is so bad he can’t get off of the bench. Chang is the same. Arop and Nate are athletic and have grown man bodies but are very raw. Schakel can shoot jump shots but is one dimensional, slow, and foul prone. Mitchell is slow, foul prone, gravity bound, not a rebounder, and makes bad decisions. Seiko is so passive and non-impactful that it’s hard to tell if he’s on the court or not. TV is important. We are talking about recruiting. College players want attention and acclaim. The blue bloods provide the stage.
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Post by hoobs on Feb 6, 2019 11:30:18 GMT -8
You have a remarkably cynical evaluation of our players. Not a lot of NBA talent, to be sure, but they are NOT as bad you make them out to be.
We don't need TV exposure to recruit Jaden. And TV exposure is irrelevant to his NBA draft stock.
From what we know of Jaden, I think he wants someplace where 1) he feels comfortable, and 2) can help him get to the NBA. SDSU certainly fits #1, and I see no reason why #2 would eliminate us.
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Post by ignoranus on Feb 6, 2019 11:54:26 GMT -8
Flynn is much better than any current Aztec guard and will most likely end up as one of the very best Aztec guards ever. Feagin would also help a lot and should enjoy teaming with MF.
The Aztecs would get much better TV exposure if Jaden was here because of his high profile and unique skill set. If Jalen were to stay this would be an OMG team and the networks would reshuffle their schedules to show the Aztecs.
Where ever Jaden chooses to go it will be a one year warmup for his NBA career. The name of the school won't REALLY matter; so long as Jaden is featured in their offensive schemes for all to see.
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Post by dlangford9 on Feb 6, 2019 17:24:46 GMT -8
I like this team... 1- Flynn, Seiko 2- Kiegan, Schakel, Chang 3- Mitchell, Arop, Johnson 4- McDaniels, J Mensah 5- N Mensah, Narain
I see definite improvement next year at 1,3,5 and potential improvements at 2,4.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:21:10 GMT -8
UW is having a much better year than we are and they have better new recruits. UW plays in a better conference which provides more exposure. He is very familiar with UW and knows their coaches, players, and recruits. UW is his hometown team. UW has put a lot more players into the NBA. UW would appear more likely to be an NCAA team than would the Aztecs (both this year and next.) UW has been trending in a positive direction.
Kentucky is Kentucky. Great facilities. Great history. Great coaching. Tons of alumni in the NBA. Great competition. Always in the NCAA’s. Always ranked. Unrivaled exposure on national television and on the highlight shows.
How good are the Aztecs returning players? Take off the fan goggles and try to be objective. How do these guys compare to past Aztecs and players on other teams? Dakarai Allen was a higher rated player than Mitchell, Arop, and Johnson and he didn’t become a major contributor until late in his career without ever becoming more than a complimentary player. How good can we reasonably expect Nathan, Joel, and Chang to be next year? Is Nolan the kind of player who gives us a single good game a year? I think Schakel would have been valuable on some of our past teams but mainly because those teams couldn’t shoot. I don’t think that Jordan would’ve received starter’s minutes on many of the teams from the past decade. Seiko would have seen nothing but pine on many of those same teams. If any of these guys were on opposing teams would they make you nervous?
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Post by aztecfred on Feb 6, 2019 18:30:30 GMT -8
Kiegan isn't signed, neither McDaniels will b here and maybe not Narain?
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Post by dlangford9 on Feb 8, 2019 8:01:27 GMT -8
Sorry for not reading through 28 pages first.... but does anyone have an idea when he expects to announce and sign?
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Feb 8, 2019 11:57:05 GMT -8
After the end of the season he will know who left for the NBA or transferred. He could wait until the start of the school year. I don't think he is afraid of playing time, but rather if his potential teammates will show off is game.
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Post by chris92065 on Feb 11, 2019 13:43:13 GMT -8
Unless we win the mwc tourney and win a couple Games in the ncaas, I don’t think Jalen leaves.
He still needs work on his downlow game.
It’s not worth leaving to be a 2nd rd pick.
And, the draw of playing a year with his brother might be very enticing.
We are not out yet.
The fact he hasn’t committed is a good sign.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Feb 12, 2019 6:58:07 GMT -8
Jalen will be invited to the combine this year. If he performs well, he is gone.
While I think it is most likely that Jaden becomes a "Dub", the team he picks will have to have a strong backcourt. If we get a couple of skilled graduate transfers, we would be in the running.
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Post by jpaztec on Feb 12, 2019 7:21:26 GMT -8
www.si.com/nba/2019/02/12/nba-draft-big-board-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morantThis is of interest, Jalen currently projected as the #48 pick by SI. I’ve heard if he’s first round he’s gone, middle of the second they’ve got stuff to think about. If he stays our chances with Jaden improve dramatically, obviously.. Imagining an all McDaniels front court, with Mensah, Flynn, Mitchell, or the Santa Clara kid rounding out the starting 5 looks like a very potent rotation. On the other hand, if Jalen leaves, Jaden goes to UW, and the transfer PG goes to Oregon or wherever....kinda the opposite applies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:56:13 GMT -8
This appears to be the reasoning that Fisher has presented to players in the past. Is there reason to believe that this reflects what Jalen is thinking? Jaden is a long shot. Washington is 19-5 (10-1 Pac-12) 12-0 at home with a NET rating of 31 and a 37 Kenpom. Washington is adding a mid-season transfer (former 5 star from KY) point guard who will be eligible for conference play and a five star center who has a relationship with Jaden. Washington will have the superior roster even if we add Feagin and retain Jalen.
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Post by fisher1fan on Feb 12, 2019 13:02:54 GMT -8
This appears to be the reasoning that Fisher has presented to players in the past. Is there reason to believe that this reflects what Jalen is thinking? Jaden is a long shot. Washington is 19-5 (10-1 Pac-12) 12-0 at home with a NET rating of 31 and a 37 Kenpom. Washington is adding a mid-season transfer (former 5 star from KY) point guard who will be eligible for conference play and a five star center who has a relationship with Jaden. Washington will have the superior roster even if we add Feagin and retain Jalen. This sounds like your thinking, unless you spoke to the kid. Maybe he is thinking “my brother and I can be drafted from the same team both in the first round and I can help improve his game by showing what he can do with a decent support cast around him”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:26:22 GMT -8
This appears to be the reasoning that Fisher has presented to players in the past. Is there reason to believe that this reflects what Jalen is thinking? Jaden is a long shot. Washington is 19-5 (10-1 Pac-12) 12-0 at home with a NET rating of 31 and a 37 Kenpom. Washington is adding a mid-season transfer (former 5 star from KY) point guard who will be eligible for conference play and a five star center who has a relationship with Jaden. Washington will have the superior roster even if we add Feagin and retain Jalen. This sounds like your thinking, unless you spoke to the kid. Maybe he is thinking “my brother and I can be drafted from the same team both in the first round and I can help improve his game by showing what he can do with a decent support cast around him”. Huh? My thinking...spoke to the kid? Which kid, Jalen or Jaden? I don’t know what you’re even trying to say here. The previous poster implied that Jalen’s decision to enter the draft will hinge on his projected draft position AND that a second round projection was a possible deal breaker. Jalen almost bolted last year without a projection of being drafted at all. We don’t and can’t know what Jalen is thinking. We do know, from his public statements, that he very nearly pulled the trigger last year.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 12, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -8
This sounds like your thinking, unless you spoke to the kid. Maybe he is thinking “my brother and I can be drafted from the same team both in the first round and I can help improve his game by showing what he can do with a decent support cast around him”. Huh? My thinking...spoke to the kid? Which kid, Jalen or Jaden? I don’t know what you’re even trying to say here. The previous poster implied that Jalen’s decision to enter the draft will hinge on his projected draft position AND that a second round projection was a possible deal breaker. Jalen almost bolted last year without a projection of being drafted at all. We don’t and can’t know what Jalen is thinking. We do know, from his public statements, that he very nearly pulled the trigger last year. His stroke has improved so much from last year, I don't think its a stretch to say he is late 1 or early 2. Kid has shown he can develop the shot. I think he is gone.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 12, 2019 18:18:44 GMT -8
Jalen is as good as gone imo
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Post by hoobs on Feb 13, 2019 6:21:25 GMT -8
I think his thin frame will likely drop him into the 2nd round. If he improved his perimeter game (mostly ball-handling), I think he'd have a chance to project as a 3 in the NBA... where his lack of beef would be less of an issue and very well could be seen as a mid-first round talent (at SF, vs PF).
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