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Post by standiego on Aug 31, 2016 11:28:38 GMT -8
if the AAC lose two teams - maybe there would be more interest for them to add SDSU and another school from the West .? MW has very little appeal to most fans nationally and TV money will most likely get smaller
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 31, 2016 12:20:22 GMT -8
if the AAC lose two teams - maybe there would be more interest for them to add SDSU and another school from the West .? MW has very little appeal to most fans nationally and TV money will most likely get smaller The AAC is also going to be much less appealing after they lose 2 schools, especially if you're talking Houston & Cincy. Joining if they add just 2 from the MW would make no sense. A true Best of the Rest, which could mean 4-8 from each conference, would.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 31, 2016 14:36:10 GMT -8
Best of the Rest
East UCF USF Navy Temple Memphis
West SDSU UNLV BSU BYU AFA
This assumes that UC and UH are invited to the B12...
I would only go to 10 teams and then wait and see what happens with the B12...
There is always a chance that you could pick up Kansas and Kansas State as well as TCU and Baylor if OU/OSU and UT/TT leave for another league.
If not, you could always invite UCONN and SMU later on...
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 31, 2016 15:08:12 GMT -8
Best of the Rest East UCF USF Navy Temple Memphis West SDSU UNLV BSU BYU AFA This assumes that UC and UH are invited to the B12... I would only go to 10 teams and then wait and see what happens with the B12... There is always a chance that you could pick up Kansas and Kansas State as well as TCU and Baylor if OU/OSU and UT/TT leave for another league. If not, you could always invite UCONN and SMU later on... IMO CSU has to be in that equation. Great market, new facilities, etc.
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Post by standiego on Aug 31, 2016 15:39:44 GMT -8
Let say Houston and Cincy leave for B12 . Other teams will not leave AAC and pay 10 million fee to join the Best of Rest . But if 2 to 4 schools left MW to join AAC it would knock MW out of the picture nationally and elevate AAC . Maybe a better TV deal ? so select 3 more to go with SDSU
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 31, 2016 16:20:20 GMT -8
Best of the Rest East UCF USF Navy Temple Memphis West SDSU UNLV BSU BYU AFA This assumes that UC and UH are invited to the B12... I would only go to 10 teams and then wait and see what happens with the B12... There is always a chance that you could pick up Kansas and Kansas State as well as TCU and Baylor if OU/OSU and UT/TT leave for another league. If not, you could always invite UCONN and SMU later on... IMO CSU has to be in that equation. Great market, new facilities, etc. You may be right.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 31, 2016 16:24:22 GMT -8
Let say Houston and Cincy leave for B12 . Other teams will not leave AAC and pay 10 million fee to join the Best of Rest . But if 2 to 4 schools left MW to join AAC it would knock MW out of the picture nationally and elevate AAC . Maybe a better TV deal ? so select 3 more to go with SDSU Maybe, but UC and UH leave then you only have 10 teams and there could be some language that allows remaining teams to leave. Also, you would have at leat 5 of the teams leaving what is now a 10 team league so that may be enough to allow them to get out without the pay day for the other teams. You could also add UCONN and SMU to get to 7 of the remaining 10 and I am sure you would have the votes. However, if we go with your scenario... SDSU BYU AFA BSU/UNLV if BYU does not want in then you would grab CSU.
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Post by laaztec on Aug 31, 2016 19:19:36 GMT -8
I think the Big 12 will take UC and Houston.
Best of the Rest
East UCF USF Navy Temple Memphis SMU
West SDSU UNLV BSU CSU AFA Fresno
BYU isn't going to join a conference if they don't get in the Big 12. Rumors are if UConn doesn't get into the Big 12 they will go indy in football and put their other sports in the Big East.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 31, 2016 20:53:34 GMT -8
For one, it's a perception issue. People think California and they think it's much further than the Rockies, plus in the case of TCU they've lived it. 2nd, BYU is a timezone ahead of us so even for the few schools we are as close to they would still get home an hour later. The Kansases, etc. of the world may disagree with you about BYU being as far as SDSU as well. I heard 2 key elements of SDSUs presentation to B12 was distance and education. Hopefully we made an impression. 1. Ok so you're saying "perception is an issue. Does this mean you actually believe the Presidents of the Big-12 schools have no clue about travel times, and no way of verifying how much time is involved in travelling to each destination. There are no direct flights from Provo to any B-12 site, and I'm not sure the airport there can take a larger charter jet. Most people fly into SLC and then drive, and the drive to Provo is substantially longer than the one from our airport to Mission Valley. Pretty sure this million+ dollar decision will be based on facts rather than perceptions. As far as "people" thinking about California, that sounds substantially like Donald Trump's favorite locution...many people are saying. It's not substantive proof of anything. I read Patterson's statement, and to put it in context he was talking about the MWC as a whole, and perhaps remembering trips to Laramie etc. If he's not opposed to one trip a year to Provo it's logical he wouldn't be averse to a trip to SD instead. He's most likely just trying to help the Houston bid. If there was a billion dollars to be made by flying to Hong Kong once a year, Patterson would be on a plane tomorrow. Like the old joke, that should tell you what he, and the Presidents are...now we're just haggling over price. 2. True, if and only if travel time from game site to airport was equal...it's not. 3. They have no maps or travel agents in Kansas? Are you saying the state is full of hicks unable to use an internet connection to research travel times? I might believe that. 4. Not too persuasive about what you heard, unless you want to include who you got the information from. Hearsay always includes at least two opportunities for one of the listeners to misunderstand. Hard to separate hearsay from gossip. Finally, in my opinion, the only area where geography is an issue would be in the minor sports. That is easily soluble by either SDSU being a football-only member, or having the Aztecs pay a travel premium similar to what U. Hawai'i provides. If the Aztecs don't get in, regardless of Patterson's whining, it won't be because of travel time. Heck they already decided to include West Virgina, which generally means a flight to Pittsburgh with a long not so scenic drive through the hills to Morgantown. If we don't get in it will be because the decision makers believe after some research that we don't bring as much money into their conference as others, we won't be as competitive as others, and that based on poor attendence, SDSU won't be able to deliver a large share of the San Diego TV market. Said another way, they may be polite and say it was the distance involved, but what they'll really mean is that they don't believe our programs, both athletic and academic, are strong enough, and we couldn't bring enough money to the table to convince them otherwise. Wish it wasn't so, but in the world of big time NCAA sports money talks. Funny, after all your BS the Big 12 says the MAIN reason SDSU was eliminated was due to distance. Amazing what having a little information will tell ya. Or someone can choose not to believe anything.
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 5, 2016 21:08:24 GMT -8
1. Ok so you're saying "perception is an issue. Does this mean you actually believe the Presidents of the Big-12 schools have no clue about travel times, and no way of verifying how much time is involved in travelling to each destination. There are no direct flights from Provo to any B-12 site, and I'm not sure the airport there can take a larger charter jet. Most people fly into SLC and then drive, and the drive to Provo is substantially longer than the one from our airport to Mission Valley. Pretty sure this million+ dollar decision will be based on facts rather than perceptions. As far as "people" thinking about California, that sounds substantially like Donald Trump's favorite locution...many people are saying. It's not substantive proof of anything. I read Patterson's statement, and to put it in context he was talking about the MWC as a whole, and perhaps remembering trips to Laramie etc. If he's not opposed to one trip a year to Provo it's logical he wouldn't be averse to a trip to SD instead. He's most likely just trying to help the Houston bid. If there was a billion dollars to be made by flying to Hong Kong once a year, Patterson would be on a plane tomorrow. Like the old joke, that should tell you what he, and the Presidents are...now we're just haggling over price. 2. True, if and only if travel time from game site to airport was equal...it's not. 3. They have no maps or travel agents in Kansas? Are you saying the state is full of hicks unable to use an internet connection to research travel times? I might believe that. 4. Not too persuasive about what you heard, unless you want to include who you got the information from. Hearsay always includes at least two opportunities for one of the listeners to misunderstand. Hard to separate hearsay from gossip. Finally, in my opinion, the only area where geography is an issue would be in the minor sports. That is easily soluble by either SDSU being a football-only member, or having the Aztecs pay a travel premium similar to what U. Hawai'i provides. If the Aztecs don't get in, regardless of Patterson's whining, it won't be because of travel time. Heck they already decided to include West Virgina, which generally means a flight to Pittsburgh with a long not so scenic drive through the hills to Morgantown. If we don't get in it will be because the decision makers believe after some research that we don't bring as much money into their conference as others, we won't be as competitive as others, and that based on poor attendence, SDSU won't be able to deliver a large share of the San Diego TV market. Said another way, they may be polite and say it was the distance involved, but what they'll really mean is that they don't believe our programs, both athletic and academic, are strong enough, and we couldn't bring enough money to the table to convince them otherwise. Wish it wasn't so, but in the world of big time NCAA sports money talks. Funny, after all your BS the Big 12 says the MAIN reason SDSU was eliminated was due to distance. Amazing what having a little information will tell ya. Or someone can choose not to believe anything. Wait a minute there coug. Weren't you the guy saying the great presentation that Sterk gave addressed that issue and effectively mitigated it? Yeah, I think that was you. Ergo, since the distance issue was evidently known all along by you and the rest of the cognoscenti, either your boy Sterk wasted his time pounding his head against a wall that was never going to break (pretty dumb); or your great presentation was in reality a pitiful effort (likely), or there were some other factors that were considered and the B-12 folks were just too polite to give the real reasons ie we bring nothing of value to the B-12. Further, since in the UT the distance argument was attributed to "an unnamed source" it probably came from someone like you who was getting their information second hand, or making it up (C'mon coug you can tell us was that you leaking stuff to Zeigler?) Additionally, if it was the "main"reason, who ever said it was the only reason as you seem to want me to believe. So which is it coug, dumb AD, crappy presentation, or a number of factors? We can finally agree on something though...it's true you can choose not to believe anything....then you'll be called a skeptic. However it's also true that you can choose to believe anything you see printed in the paper or on the internet... but then you'll be called gullible. You can also choose to believe everything you post coug but then you'll be called a fool. I'll stick with skeptic, since you've already claimed the gullible territory. The fool's ground is held by those who think only the distance factor worked against us. Say hello to your neighbors there.
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Post by Fisher Fanatic on Sept 5, 2016 21:15:14 GMT -8
A lot of words....to NOT read.
We aren't invited.
Move on
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 6, 2016 8:15:14 GMT -8
Funny, after all your BS the Big 12 says the MAIN reason SDSU was eliminated was due to distance. Amazing what having a little information will tell ya. Or someone can choose not to believe anything. Wait a minute there coug. Weren't you the guy saying the great presentation that Sterk gave addressed that issue and effectively mitigated it? Yeah, I think that was you. Ergo, since the distance issue was evidently known all along by you and the rest of the cognoscenti, either your boy Sterk wasted his time pounding his head against a wall that was never going to break (pretty dumb); or your great presentation was in reality a pitiful effort (likely), or there were some other factors that were considered and the B-12 folks were just too polite to give the real reasons ie we bring nothing of value to the B-12. Further, since in the UT the distance argument was attributed to "an unnamed source" it probably came from someone like you who was getting their information second hand, or making it up (C'mon coug you can tell us was that you leaking stuff to Zeigler?) Additionally, if it was the "main"reason, who ever said it was the only reason as you seem to want me to believe. So which is it coug, dumb AD, crappy presentation, or a number of factors? We can finally agree on something though...it's true you can choose not to believe anything....then you'll be called a skeptic. However it's also true that you can choose to believe anything you see printed in the paper or on the internet... but then you'll be called gullible. You can also choose to believe everything you post coug but then you'll be called a fool. I'll stick with skeptic, since you've already claimed the gullible territory. The fool's ground is held by those who think only the distance factor worked against us. Say hello to your neighbors there. Never said it was the "ONLY" reason and never said they "effectively mitigated it". Not once. Said it was the MAIN or PRIMARY barrier for SDSU, and it was a focus within the presentation. It was too big to overcome. Believe whatever you want - don't give a crap if you decide to be informed or not. The facts spoke the truth in the end, and distance WAS the main issue.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 6, 2016 9:19:06 GMT -8
The distance wasn't the issue as much as the 2 time zones to the West, which meant the majority of the league would be losing 2 hours on their return trips. If distance was the issue, then UConn wouldn't have made it past the first round.
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 6, 2016 9:57:18 GMT -8
Wait a minute there coug. Weren't you the guy saying the great presentation that Sterk gave addressed that issue and effectively mitigated it? Yeah, I think that was you. Ergo, since the distance issue was evidently known all along by you and the rest of the cognoscenti, either your boy Sterk wasted his time pounding his head against a wall that was never going to break (pretty dumb); or your great presentation was in reality a pitiful effort (likely), or there were some other factors that were considered and the B-12 folks were just too polite to give the real reasons ie we bring nothing of value to the B-12. Further, since in the UT the distance argument was attributed to "an unnamed source" it probably came from someone like you who was getting their information second hand, or making it up (C'mon coug you can tell us was that you leaking stuff to Zeigler?) Additionally, if it was the "main"reason, who ever said it was the only reason as you seem to want me to believe. So which is it coug, dumb AD, crappy presentation, or a number of factors? We can finally agree on something though...it's true you can choose not to believe anything....then you'll be called a skeptic. However it's also true that you can choose to believe anything you see printed in the paper or on the internet... but then you'll be called gullible. You can also choose to believe everything you post coug but then you'll be called a fool. I'll stick with skeptic, since you've already claimed the gullible territory. The fool's ground is held by those who think only the distance factor worked against us. Say hello to your neighbors there. Never said it was the "ONLY" reason and never said they "effectively mitigated it". Not once. Said it was the MAIN or PRIMARY barrier for SDSU, and it was a focus within the presentation. It was too big to overcome. Believe whatever you want - don't give a crap if you decide to be informed or not. The facts spoke the truth in the end, and distance WAS the main issue. If you don't give a crap, why do you keep responding? The only fact that is known is that SDSU, after Sterk's presentation, didn't make the first cut. There's no disputing that, but if you still feel compelled to support your boy then it's ok I guess. It's just not as believable as you think. The internet's full of "unnamed sources" who I tend to think generally lack credibility. Additionally as a result of this PC age we now find ourselves in, folks and institutions rarely speak the plain truth. After all, Nixon said he wasn't a crook. Did you believe that coug? I'm not saying I'm unwilling to be informed, I'm just saying I don't believe that you're up to that task. One other thing, since you now seem to agree with me that there were indeed other factors involved, how about listing those for us. I think you'll find they are pretty much the same ones you criticize others for mentioning on this board. The University can't significantly change it's location, but the other issues have solutions, and until the administration pulls its collective head out of the sand and begins finding those solutions we'll be stuck in the same place for the foreseeable future. Finally, if you believe that distance was the overriding factor, ask yourself what you think the Big-12's response would have been if USC or UCLA had applied? I'm guessing that distance would have ceased being an issue.
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