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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 28, 2016 10:55:50 GMT -8
A couple of things - PAC vote has ZERO to do with any form of academics . College Sports is primarily funded by TV deals with conferences . So any school that is added to a conference is to provide more TV income . The other important factor is Recruiting - currently any 5 star , most 4 star recruits and even some 3 star recruits want to go to a P5 school . So no PAC school wants to elevate SDSU from a G5 to P5 level . So even OSU , WSU , ..... do NOT want to compete with SDSU for recruits , that would be foolish . That is also why Houston and SMU have little chance of getting into the B12 . AAC was smart they put a 10 million dollar exit fee for schools leaving their conference . So those schools would not have the money to jump to New Conference . All SDSU needs is one other school from the West area to go to AAC . There is no need to bring more than 1 school from West area . Schools added need to bring better TV markets only . Navy is in the AAC and would be better rival then AFA . Do not need more mountain schools . Maybe, but going to AAC means we share a conference with Tulane, Tulsa, ECU etc which all kill the $$$, taking BSU or UNLV, assuming the Raiders go to Vegas and share a stadium with them, wil double or even triple what we get from the MWC, but it would be half of what those 12 teams would get.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 28, 2016 11:23:17 GMT -8
2003 I hope your right. In fact, I pray your right. It won't happen without the support of the local community and SDSU Alumni. The most important thing is to get the real estate into the possession of SDSU. Contact your local politicians and voice your support of "SDSU WEST." They have the power to allow this to happen now. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by standiego on Apr 28, 2016 12:29:01 GMT -8
Tulane has New Orleans TV market , major airport , Bowl Games, recruiting in that area - remember a recruit named Marshall Faulk .... Tulsa was in MM this past year , ECU could provide additional recruiting would be in the East Division - no worse then some of the teams in the Mountain . There are very little recruiting opportunities in the Mountain Division . Compare the leadership and decisions made by the AAC and MW - stipends, Bowl games ( did we have two MW teams playing in a Bowl game ), listening to quality coaches , BSU's TV deal ....................... Who do you want leading your conference ?
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Post by MarshallU on Apr 28, 2016 12:33:54 GMT -8
Tulane has New Orleans TV market , major airport , Bowl Games, recruiting in that area - remember a recruit named Marshall Faulk .... Tulsa was in MM this past year , ECU could provide additional recruiting would be in the East Division - no worse then some of the teams in the Mountain . There are very little recruiting opportunities in the Mountain Division . Compare the leadership and decisions made by the AAC and MW - stipends, Bowl games ( did we have two MW teams playing in a Bowl game ), listening to quality coaches , BSU's TV deal ....................... Who do you want leading your conference ? time to refresh your data... that was 25+ years ago.
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Post by standiego on Apr 28, 2016 15:09:40 GMT -8
realize that, but being a member of the AAC could really open up recruiting in Texas - very important to both major sports , plus the other areas of the S. E . area .
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 28, 2016 16:00:53 GMT -8
Tulane has New Orleans TV market , major airport , Bowl Games, recruiting in that area - remember a recruit named Marshall Faulk .... Tulsa was in MM this past year , ECU could provide additional recruiting would be in the East Division - no worse then some of the teams in the Mountain . There are very little recruiting opportunities in the Mountain Division . Compare the leadership and decisions made by the AAC and MW - stipends, Bowl games ( did we have two MW teams playing in a Bowl game ), listening to quality coaches , BSU's TV deal ....................... Who do you want leading your conference ? Agree, for me it would be as follows... on a 10 point schedule. 10 - Join P12 9 - Join B12 7 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC 5 - Join AAC 3 - Stay as is
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Post by standiego on Apr 29, 2016 7:37:41 GMT -8
PAC is not going to add SDSU. B12 has meetings this summer - one topic could be a discussion IF they want to expand . IF they do is SDSU a candidate ?- our application is in - But choice is all theirs . AAC teams are Not going to jump to a New Conference - fees are way to high, 10 million per school to leave . So options are wait to see what B12 does this summer . If told No expansion or SDSU is not on the list . Then decide if SDSU has the vision to move forward to AAC with 1 or at more teams, that can provide TV markets and possible better TV deal , leadership and RECRUITING , or stay in MW , with the current Money Deal BSU has and little doubt they will give back .
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 29, 2016 20:55:30 GMT -8
Now we have 800 k reasons to leave this crappy conference.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 9:50:19 GMT -8
As long as it exists? Seems like the correct answer to me because that is in fact what the issue is... money. (in my opinion only of course) We don't have to go down this road again...we'll always have an excuse for something. Plenty of teams have done more with just as much or less than us (football or basketball, etc.). If we keep whining like we are, then we'll only ever be satisfied when we reach a certain point and then lose because "oh well, we just didn't have the resources." It's a cop-out and an excuse that "new" or from-out-of-state fans seem to gravitate towards. It's the same mindset that plagues our city's professional teams; it's complacency and it's weak. It's a mindset that doesn't demand actual results and that's why the Padres and Chargers are still around, as well as a few posters on this board that are more than content to see their favorite team lose because they can always chalk it up to "not having the resources to compete." Heck, why even play the game? Plenty of teams? 'Plenty' is a subjective term so from my perspective I'll disagree. I am not whining... from my perspective it seems those with the opposite opinion are. (see the "all smoke" thread under recruiting for an example) I am not 'new' or 'from out-of-state'... so I can't agree there. I do not feel it's complacent or weak to be, in my opinion, realistic. I kind of feel those who don't recognize the inherent disadvantage of not being in a P5 are being unrealistic or kind of putting their 'head in the sand'... but that's just my opinion. I don't feel the Padres and the Chargers have anything to do with this discussion as they are professional teams so I can't even understand how they got added to this discussion. And I think 'they play the game' because competition and sports are fun and are character builders... but again, that's just me. And I am not from out of town and have probably been a fan of the Aztecs far longer than even you. (oh, and to clarify for you, I think it's funner to win too.)
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Post by sdcoug on May 2, 2016 13:02:15 GMT -8
Tulane has New Orleans TV market , major airport , Bowl Games, recruiting in that area - remember a recruit named Marshall Faulk .... Tulsa was in MM this past year , ECU could provide additional recruiting would be in the East Division - no worse then some of the teams in the Mountain . There are very little recruiting opportunities in the Mountain Division . Compare the leadership and decisions made by the AAC and MW - stipends, Bowl games ( did we have two MW teams playing in a Bowl game ), listening to quality coaches , BSU's TV deal ....................... Who do you want leading your conference ? Agree, for me it would be as follows... on a 10 point schedule. 10 - Join P12 9 - Join B12 7 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC 5 - Join AAC 3 - Stay as is That's a good way to look at it. I'd change it slightly (w/ commentary), and all dependent on who's even in these conferences in 2-3 years:
10 - Join P12 (won't happen until Tier 1 research school) 9 - Join B12 (still think they're on shaky ground - depends who's still in B12 in 3 years) 8 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC (most likely scenario IMO unless B12 goes to 16 teams) 4 - Join AAC (we don't know who will be in AAC in 2-3 years; as of now, splits wouldn't be beneficial w/o other MW teams) 3 - Stay as is
I also think people give the conference commissioners WAY too much blame & credit. The commissioners are employees of the school presidents; they're not the ones calling the shots. Vegas or SD won't get new stadiums because of anything Thompson does; Houston didn't get a new stadium because of anything Aresco has done. People forget he was the guy leading the Big East when they collapsed. They don't have unilateral control over what the conference can and can't do. Thompson could be gone in a few months (Minnesota job); Aresco could be gone as well. You don't base your conference affiliation on the current commissioner - you base it on the members of the conference and the stability of the conference.
The P12 is actually looking at firing their commissioner, when only 3-4 years ago he was seen as the savior. Things change.
As for opening up new markets, we'll bring as much to that table as any other state. CA is a major hotbed of recruiting, and like CA Texas is picked clean by all the major P5 universities in the area before trickling down the G5 schools. California has 25 3/4/5-star recruits per California-based FBS school (7), compared to 22 for Texas (12 FBS schools).
The impact is also dependent on the conference setup. For football, you get some exposure in Texas playing in a conference with Texas-based teams, but your access isn't greatly impacted. You basically get access to Friday night games when playing that 1 game in Texas that year, assuming you play there every year. I tend to believe kids in Texas are aware of San Diego, especially those who aren't quite good enough to play in LA and especially among those who don't want to stay in the south.
What happens if Houston, Cincy and/or SMU jump to another conference? Would we really care about the AAC? I wouldn't. Tulane? Get real. Arizona has as many quality D1 recruits per FBS school as Louisiana.
Nothing's happening for a few years. We need to focus on winning the MWC; that's where we are today & where we'll be next year as well. Once the P5's shake out, then & only then will we need to worry about staying in the MW, joining a new mixed conference or jumping to the AAC.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 2, 2016 13:44:38 GMT -8
A couple of things - PAC vote has ZERO to do with any form of academics . College Sports is primarily funded by TV deals with conferences . So any school that is added to a conference is to provide more TV income . The other important factor is Recruiting - currently any 5 star , most 4 star recruits and even some 3 star recruits want to go to a P5 school . So no PAC school wants to elevate SDSU from a G5 to P5 level . So even OSU , WSU , ..... do NOT want to compete with SDSU for recruits , that would be foolish . That is also why Houston and SMU have little chance of getting into the B12 . AAC was smart they put a 10 million dollar exit fee for schools leaving their conference . So those schools would not have the money to jump to New Conference . All SDSU needs is one other school from the West area to go to AAC . There is no need to bring more than 1 school from West area . Schools added need to bring better TV markets only . Navy is in the AAC and would be better rival then AFA . Do not need more mountain schools . You're wrong about academics. The Pac is highly unlikely to admit any school whose US News and World Report ranking is below that of the lowest of its membership, which is WSU. Both Utah and Colorado were considerably better ranked than WSU, which being tied for #140 is only marginally behind #135 Oregon State. SDSU is now tied at #149 and we have been gaining on WSU for 20 years. As 03Aztec says, our gaining will accelerate after the West Campus project is begun. Your point about recruiting is well taken. However, just how will the Pac justify taking any school that is ranked lower than SDSU? The competition is below. BYU and Baylor: Pac is never going to take those conservative religious schools TCU: USNR ranking of 82 but also affiliated with a religion and too tiny and too far to the east Houston: USNR tied at 187 and too far east Iowa State: an AAU school academically but too far to the east, no people and horrendously bad football Kansas State: too far east in tiny city, USNR tied for 146 and when Snyder not coaching, football as bad as ISU Oklahoma State: USNR tied (w/SDSU) at 149, maybe a possibility if partnered with ISU but could go to SEC along with OU Texas Tech: USNR tied at 168, in a little town in the middle of nowhere (not a chance the Pac would want them) Colorado State: USNR tied at 127 but Ft. Collins is small and very close to Boulder, home of CU New Mexico: USNR tied at 180, in medium-sized city hundreds of miles from the nearest other real city and terrible football Nevada-Reno: USNR tied with Houston at 187 in small city near nothing big except Sacto where folks don't know UNR exists UNLV: an unranked "national" university (meaning somewhere over 200) with horrible football Neither OU or UT will be going to the Pac. That train has left the station and the two will be going either to the B1G or the SEC. So the key is Oklahoma State. Additions of Utah and CU suggest that if OSU doesn't go to the SEC, the Pac might want them along with KSU or CSU. But if OSU isn't available, who would the Pac take? UNM? UNR? UNLV? No way any of those three match up to SDSU. Really the most logical choices would be SDSU and CSU or SDSU and Hawaii.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 2, 2016 13:50:05 GMT -8
Agree, for me it would be as follows... on a 10 point schedule. 10 - Join P12 9 - Join B12 7 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC 5 - Join AAC 3 - Stay as is That's a good way to look at it. I'd change it slightly (w/ commentary), and all dependent on who's even in these conferences in 2-3 years:
10 - Join P12 (won't happen until Tier 1 research school) 9 - Join B12 (still think they're on shaky ground - depends who's still in B12 in 3 years) 8 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC (most likely scenario IMO unless B12 goes to 16 teams) 4 - Join AAC (we don't know who will be in AAC in 2-3 years; as of now, splits wouldn't be beneficial w/o other MW teams) 3 - Stay as is The P12 is actually looking at firing their commissioner,
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've seen nothing which says that. Do you have a link?
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Post by sdcoug on May 2, 2016 13:55:50 GMT -8
That's a good way to look at it. I'd change it slightly (w/ commentary), and all dependent on who's even in these conferences in 2-3 years:
10 - Join P12 (won't happen until Tier 1 research school) 9 - Join B12 (still think they're on shaky ground - depends who's still in B12 in 3 years) 8 - New Conference, best of MW and AAC (most likely scenario IMO unless B12 goes to 16 teams) 4 - Join AAC (we don't know who will be in AAC in 2-3 years; as of now, splits wouldn't be beneficial w/o other MW teams) 3 - Stay as is The P12 is actually looking at firing their commissioner,
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've seen nothing which says that. Do you have a link? There's actually been several, but below is just one. He promised the P12 AD's the P12 network would generate $4-$5MM a year which they used to fund projects; it's been $1MM (& even less). Plus, he threw Guerrero under the bus recently, etc. Several P12 AD's are questioning him, although I still think he has the confidence of the presidents.
Wilner's written a few things as well (he's the best P12 writer, followed by Ted on ESPN).
thebiglead.com/2016/04/21/larry-scott-on-the-way-out-as-pac-12-commissioner/
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 2, 2016 13:59:27 GMT -8
A couple of things - PAC vote has ZERO to do with any form of academics . College Sports is primarily funded by TV deals with conferences . So any school that is added to a conference is to provide more TV income . The other important factor is Recruiting - currently any 5 star , most 4 star recruits and even some 3 star recruits want to go to a P5 school . So no PAC school wants to elevate SDSU from a G5 to P5 level . So even OSU , WSU , ..... do NOT want to compete with SDSU for recruits , that would be foolish . That is also why Houston and SMU have little chance of getting into the B12 . AAC was smart they put a 10 million dollar exit fee for schools leaving their conference . So those schools would not have the money to jump to New Conference . All SDSU needs is one other school from the West area to go to AAC . There is no need to bring more than 1 school from West area . Schools added need to bring better TV markets only . Navy is in the AAC and would be better rival then AFA . Do not need more mountain schools . You're wrong about academics. The Pac is highly unlikely to admit any school whose US News and World Report ranking is below that of the lowest of its membership, which is WSU. Both Utah and Colorado were considerably better ranked than WSU, which being tied for #140 is only marginally behind #135 Oregon State. SDSU is now tied at #149 and we have been gaining on WSU for 20 years. As 03Aztec says, our gaining will accelerate after the West Campus project is begun. Your point about recruiting is well taken. However, just how will the Pac justify taking any school that is ranked lower than SDSU? The competition is below. BYU and Baylor: Pac is never going to take those conservative religious schools TCU: USNR ranking of 82 but also affiliated with a religion and too tiny and too far to the east Houston: USNR tied at 187 and too far east Iowa State: an AAU school academically but too far to the east, no people and horrendously bad football Kansas State: too far east in tiny city, USNR tied for 146 and when Snyder not coaching, football as bad as ISU Oklahoma State: USNR tied (w/SDSU) at 149, maybe a possibility if partnered with ISU but could go to SEC along with OU Texas Tech: USNR tied at 168, in a little town in the middle of nowhere (not a chance the Pac would want them) Colorado State: USNR tied at 127 but Ft. Collins is small and very close to Boulder, home of CU New Mexico: USNR tied at 180, in medium-sized city hundreds of miles from the nearest other real city and terrible football Nevada-Reno: USNR tied with Houston at 187 in small city near nothing big except Sacto where folks don't know UNR exists UNLV: an unranked "national" university (meaning somewhere over 200) with horrible football Neither OU or UT will be going to the Pac. That train has left the station and the two will be going either to the B1G or the SEC. So the key is Oklahoma State. Additions of Utah and CU suggest that if OSU doesn't go to the SEC, the Pac might want them along with KSU or CSU. But if OSU isn't available, who would the Pac take? UNM? UNR? UNLV? No way any of those three match up to SDSU. Really the most logical choices would be SDSU and CSU or SDSU and Hawaii. Agree with most of what you say but don't sleep on UNLV. Particularly if the Raiders move to Vegas and build a stadium on UNLV campus and UNLV opens up their Medical School. That is the Rebels equivalent of what an "SDSU WEST" will do for the Aztecs. www.unlv.edu/medicinewww.lvsportsnetwork.com/2016/04/28/raiders-owner-mark-davis-says-las-vegas-is-absolutely-an-nfl-city/Listen from the 44:00 mark for UNLV related info.
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Post by standiego on May 2, 2016 14:14:24 GMT -8
Coug will look forward to the copies of the notes you send to your fellow alums at WSU and the mess the WSU Basketball coach has created for the Aztecs and the coaches at SDSU, accusing our coaches of tampering .
Agree with you that in MW the presidents / AD's do not want to give the MW commissioner much power to do anything . So he has done so. Gave in totally to BSU on ESPN TV deal . So has the conference . there is not much of a penalty for leaving early in MW. But the AC schools have given their leader a lot more responsibility and he moves forward . Any school that leaves early does pay 10 million , so would take an invite from P5 to have then leave . Stipends right away the AAC commissioner came out saying they were in favor of them ,and would try to keep moving forward . MW said let each school decide on its own .
You are correct Texas is a fantastic place to recruit and if SDSU was playing football in the West Division of AAC , we would be playing teams from the West Division of AAC every year, we would have a much easier time recruiting there . Families would watch their sons play and there are direct flights to San Diego .
You bring up recruiting comparing Louisiana to Arizona . In football there were 9 top 150 recruits from LA and maybe 1 from AZ . Basketball 4 to 1 . Do you want to talk about recruiting in Wyoming , NM , UT , Idaho ?
Would be very interested to what your fellow WSU alums say about SDSU .
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Post by sdcoug on May 2, 2016 14:44:19 GMT -8
Coug will look forward to the copies of the notes you send to your fellow alums at WSU and the mess the WSU Basketball coach has created for the Aztecs and the coaches at SDSU, accusing our coaches of tampering . Agree with you that in MW the presidents / AD's do not want to give the MW commissioner much power to do anything . So he has done so. Gave in totally to BSU on ESPN TV deal . So has the conference . there is not much of a penalty for leaving early in MW. But the AC schools have given their leader a lot more responsibility and he moves forward . Any school that leaves early does pay 10 million , so would take an invite from P5 to have then leave . Stipends right away the AAC commissioner came out saying they were in favor of them ,and would try to keep moving forward . MW said let each school decide on its own . You are correct Texas is a fantastic place to recruit and if SDSU was playing football in the West Division of AAC , we would be playing teams from the West Division of AAC every year, we would have a much easier time recruiting there . Families would watch their sons play and there are direct flights to San Diego . You bring up recruiting comparing Louisiana to Arizona . In football there were 9 top 150 recruits from LA and maybe 1 from AZ . Basketball 4 to 1 . Do you want to talk about recruiting in Wyoming , NM , UT , Idaho ? Would be very interested to what your fellow WSU alums say about SDSU . WTF are you talking about? What Kent's doing is ridiculous - have said so from day 1. As for WSU alums, as noted several times 99% of them could give a crap since the b-ball program is filled with apathy. Not too many are even aware anything's going on with Kent. He just got a verbal from a kid who was highly regarded a couple years ago - tumbleweeds. Nobody cares.
Curious, how do you know we'd be playing in Texas? We have no idea who will be in the AAC in 3-4 years. None. Houston would be gone in a heartbeat if offered a chance to bolt. Have you seen an offer from the AAC to SDSU which has us in the West with teams from Texas?? I haven't.
As for recruiting, Louisiana had 333 3/4/5 star recruits over the past 5 classes, most of which were picked up by the 5 FBS schools in the state. Arizona had 131, and just 2 FBS schools. Both turn out 13 key recruits per year per FBS school in the area. It's great Louisiana turns out talent, but there are a lot of schools all over that talent. Yea, Wyoming & New Mexico suck but we don't recruit in Wyoming nor New Mexico. No need to. Texas is great, but there are a lot of arms reaching into Texas for recruiting, including us. Horton has some pretty good connections there, as does our new DL coach.
As for stipends, WHAT? That's a school decision. We're not P5 which passed it as a requirement. Believe most, if not all, are offering them in both conferences, and the amount is set at the school level.
Instead of constantly drooling over a commissioner who f'd up the Big East, why not wait & see how everything plays out? A LOT can change between now & then, and you complaining in every single post isn't doing anything to change the situation, last I checked.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 14:51:16 GMT -8
LSU has La. recruits wrapped up. No top recruit from La.would ever pass up a chance to play at LSU. Tulane is an after thought.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 2, 2016 19:33:34 GMT -8
LSU has La. recruits wrapped up. No top recruit from La.would ever pass up a chance to play at LSU. Tulane is an after thought. Get your point, but Arkansas and Auburn and Ole Miss all get some of the Top 15 LA recruits, you are correct that LSU gets most of them.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 3, 2016 14:01:50 GMT -8
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've seen nothing which says that. Do you have a link? There's actually been several, but below is just one. He promised the P12 AD's the P12 network would generate $4-$5MM a year which they used to fund projects; it's been $1MM (& even less). Plus, he threw Guerrero under the bus recently, etc. Several P12 AD's are questioning him, although I still think he has the confidence of the presidents.
Wilner's written a few things as well (he's the best P12 writer, followed by Ted on ESPN).
thebiglead.com/2016/04/21/larry-scott-on-the-way-out-as-pac-12-commissioner/
Very up to date article. Thanks.
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Post by chris92065 on May 3, 2016 19:15:00 GMT -8
Bump time.
Hair refuses witch state.
Just another example of his ineptitude as the commissioner.
Big12 considers expansion and we are not even on the radar.
It's time for a new conference.
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