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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 13, 2010 1:12:43 GMT -8
After the Reggie Bush thing this is going to be handled much quicker. Everyone stonewalled and did all they could to delay the Reggie Bush investigation. That's not happening with the Cam Newton investigation.
Auburn's in deep trouble, and they know it. If I were the AD I wouldn't play him at all for the rest of the year (not much left, but I'd leave him in street clothes on game days). If I were the President of the school I'd put anyone reportedly involved in this (who was on the school's payroll) on leave pending the school's investigation. I'd then fire anyone who broke any rules or laws.
Newton should not be eligible, and he should not win the Heisman. He'll just have to give it back if he wins it...
We'll see if Auburn fights this and makes their penalties bigger or if they cooperate and hold their own people accountable to try and minimize the penalties.
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Post by azzfan on Nov 13, 2010 10:48:46 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2010 15:50:27 GMT -8
Auburn's in deep trouble, and they know it. If I were the AD I wouldn't play him at all for the rest of the year (not much left, but I'd leave him in street clothes on game days). If I were the President of the school I'd put anyone reportedly involved in this (who was on the school's payroll) on leave pending the school's investigation. I'd then fire anyone who broke any rules or laws. I think that depends on whether any evidence arises that the father similarly asked them for money. You would think that after Mr. Newton did that with Mississippi State that the same would be true of Auburn, but that's just innuendo. If, however, the father did ask Auburn for money, since unlike MSU, Auburn never reported that as is required by the NCAA, you're correct that they will be in trouble simply on that basis. And, of course, if they actually paid the family money they really will be in deep poop. At U$C, it was merely a booster who did so and IIRC, it was never proved that the staff actually knew about the booster's purchasing of a house for Bush's mother and stepfather. But what if it was proved that Auburn's staff actually facilitated giving money to Newton's father? You have to think that if that happened the NCAA would come down on Auburn twice as hard as was the case with U$C.
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Post by E Mann on Nov 16, 2010 13:51:38 GMT -8
The Cam Newton fiasco reminds of a funny Charles Barkley quote (paraphrased).
When asked to identify the biggest difference between playing basketball at Auburn versus the NBA, Charles noted that Auburn didn't have a salary cap.
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Post by aztecaggie on Nov 17, 2010 22:47:00 GMT -8
This link offers some amazing stuff. Was posted on another college board. Quotes on the board are: "Holy Crap", "just amazing", "this is death penalty stuff" " If half of that is true, auburn is in deep deep doodoo. This has the makings of an epic John Grisham novel" "That slot machine scam is ****ing creative" "If some of that is true, Auburn is going down for a long time." Here you go. www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676
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Post by k5james on Nov 18, 2010 10:47:04 GMT -8
This link offers some amazing stuff. Was posted on another college board. Quotes on the board are: "Holy Crap", "just amazing", "this is death penalty stuff" " If half of that is true, auburn is in deep deep doodoo. This has the makings of an epic John Grisham novel" "That slot machine scam is ****ing creative" "If some of that is true, Auburn is going down for a long time." Here you go. www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676Yeah, that thread is an eye opener. Auburn is in some DEEP mierda... I wonder who's going to replace Auburn in the SEC...
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 11:19:06 GMT -8
i first saw this posted here: www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=29438&st=0&gopid=522240entry522240Also, the word out that there are text messages to Miss state boosters detailing the pay schedule. It seems the pressure is on Miss State right now to either exonerate or implicate them in this major federal case brewing against Auburn --- Miss State is leaking and speaking which tends to tell me they are relatively clean and when the hammer falls it is going to crash through the anvil that is auburn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 12:40:47 GMT -8
Damn, hadn't noticed this until just now. (That's what actually trying to get some work done this morning will do. ) While driving my son to school I heard a bit of the Jack Arute-Mike Leach show. Leach is an attorney and he made the point that the FBI would have no jurisdiction to look into this Cam Newton thing unless there was something interstate going on. And Arute made the point that even then, the FBI doesn't concern itself with something as insignificant as one player. I haven't read the entire novel that's on that board but the stuff about Terry Bowden continuing to pay off players that Pat Dye recruited would explain why Bowden has become persona non grata at every DIA school. Simply poking his secretary, even when she is the daughter of an uber-booster, just doesn't seem like enough to hold the guy back as has occurred. Also this. College football pundit Mike Florio speculated, logically I believe, that Newton's father would not have asked for money if he didn't have reason to believe his solicitation would be favorably received. My suspicion is that if Newton's father actually did so - and it sure looks like he did - he did so because somebody at Auburn had already offered money and he just assumed Mississippi State would do the same. I think it's going to take a long time but Auburn could be in deep, deep $#!+. We're talking Death Penalty deep.
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Post by lostcoast on Nov 18, 2010 12:55:50 GMT -8
That thread is intense, if even a snippit of it is true this will trump what went down at USC big time.
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 13:12:46 GMT -8
Damn, hadn't noticed this until just now. (That's what actually trying to get some work done this morning will do. ) While driving my son to school I heard a bit of the Jack Arute-Mike Leach show. Leach is an attorney and he made the point that the FBI would have no jurisdiction to look into this Cam Newton thing unless there was something interstate going on. And Arute made the point that even then, the FBI doesn't concern itself with something as insignificant as one player. I haven't read the entire novel that's on that board but the stuff about Terry Bowden continuing to pay off players that Pat Dye recruited would explain why Bowden has become persona non grata at every DIA school. Simply poking his secretary, even when she is the daughter of an uber-booster, just doesn't seem like enough to hold the guy back as has occurred. Also this. College football pundit Mike Florio speculated, logically I believe, that Newton's father would not have asked for money if he didn't have reason to believe his solicitation would be favorably received. My suspicion is that if Newton's father actually did so - and it sure looks like he did - he did so because somebody at Auburn had already offered money and he just assumed Mississippi State would do the same. I think it's going to take a long time but Auburn could be in deep, deep $#!+. We're talking Death Penalty deep. I thought you would be the one with me to pick up the Bowden thing. I've iterated: that family, that record, that ability - something else is there and that sounds like what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 13:20:03 GMT -8
I thought you would be the one with me to pick up the Bowden thing. I've iterated: that family, that record, that ability - something else is there and that sounds like what it is. So you said and now it all makes sense. Yeah, Bowden got into hot water by allegedly having an affair. However, this rumor - not gonna get myself in trouble by saying it's fact - that Bowden continued to pay off players that Pay Dye brought through pay to play is what is going to keep Bowden from ever getting a DIA job again. True or not, even a rumor of something that bad is going to make any major university afraid to hire him. Edit: BTW, writing "Pay" as Dye's first name was just a Fraudian slip. But a pretty good one, huh?
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 13:24:30 GMT -8
I thought you would be the one with me to pick up the Bowden thing. I've iterated: that family, that record, that ability - something else is there and that sounds like what it is. So you said and now it all makes sense. Yeah, Bowden got into hot water by allegedly having an affair. However, this rumor - not gonna get myself in trouble by saying it's fact - that Bowden continued to pay off players that Pay Dye brought through pay to play is what is going to keep Bowden from ever getting a DIA job again. True or not, even a rumor of something that bad is going to make any major university afraid to hire him. Edit: BTW, writing "Pay" as Dye's first name was just a Fraudian slip. But a pretty good one, huh? Freud would have approved. This is the quite the story and in the context of the football season - it couldn't get any better.
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Post by k5james on Nov 18, 2010 13:25:30 GMT -8
I thought you would be the one with me to pick up the Bowden thing. I've iterated: that family, that record, that ability - something else is there and that sounds like what it is. So you said and now it all makes sense. Yeah, Bowden got into hot water by allegedly having an affair. However, this rumor - not gonna get myself in trouble by saying it's fact - that Bowden continued to pay off players that Pay Dye brought through pay to play is what is going to keep Bowden from ever getting a DIA job again. True or not, even a rumor of something that bad is going to make any major university afraid to hire him. Edit: BTW, writing "Pay" as Dye's first name was just a Fraudian slip. But a pretty good one, huh? Even funnier when they have to take his name off of the field after this...
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 13:29:46 GMT -8
The thing of note is that the Pay dye group was/is still around.
To me the biggest thing here is that the board of trustees members sit on the bank that failed's board. Auburn as a university not just a sports program, could be in serious trouble
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 13:31:55 GMT -8
What a fun way to get paid though, you go the casino, slide your card and hit the jackpot - I think that should be instituted by federal law.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 14:08:55 GMT -8
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 14:30:09 GMT -8
Damn, hadn't noticed this until just now. (That's what actually trying to get some work done this morning will do. ) While driving my son to school I heard a bit of the Jack Arute-Mike Leach show. Leach is an attorney and he made the point that the FBI would have no jurisdiction to look into this Cam Newton thing unless there was something interstate going on. And Arute made the point that even then, the FBI doesn't concern itself with something as insignificant as one player. I haven't read the entire novel that's on that board but the stuff about Terry Bowden continuing to pay off players that Pat Dye recruited would explain why Bowden has become persona non grata at every DIA school. Simply poking his secretary, even when she is the daughter of an uber-booster, just doesn't seem like enough to hold the guy back as has occurred. Also this. College football pundit Mike Florio speculated, logically I believe, that Newton's father would not have asked for money if he didn't have reason to believe his solicitation would be favorably received. My suspicion is that if Newton's father actually did so - and it sure looks like he did - he did so because somebody at Auburn had already offered money and he just assumed Mississippi State would do the same. I think it's going to take a long time but Auburn could be in deep, deep $#!+. We're talking Death Penalty deep. The interstate wire fraud is the rumored forwarding of money to cam's unlce by the dude that runs a dog racing track that just got pinched
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 14:41:21 GMT -8
The interstate wire fraud is the rumored forwarding of money to cam's unlce by the dude that runs a dog racing track that just got pinched The extent to which there was allegedly a conspiracy to coverup violations of NCAA rules if not federal law is evidenced by money allegedly having been sent from Alabama to Cecil Newton's brother in Michigan and then back to Cecil to spend on renovating his church. And what about the assertion that the casino owned by McGregor (or was it the other slimeball, Lowder?) provided automatic slot machine win cards for players? Just amazing. BTW, this occurred to me too. After U$C was stripped of its 2004 NC championship last year there was debate on the sportstalk shows about whether the NC should then be awarded to Auburn, since the Tigers were undefeated that year. However, the BCS put the kibosh on that speculation immediately. My guess would be the BCS had already decided that wasn't going to happen because they already suspected these mofos cheated worse than U$C.
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2010 15:19:14 GMT -8
The interstate wire fraud is the rumored forwarding of money to cam's unlce by the dude that runs a dog racing track that just got pinched The extent to which there was allegedly a conspiracy to coverup violations of NCAA rules if not federal law is evidenced by money allegedly having been sent from Alabama to Cecil Newton's brother in Michigan and then back to Cecil to spend on renovating his church. And what about the assertion that the casino owned by McGregor (or was it the other slimeball, Lowder?) provided automatic slot machine win cards for players? Just amazing. BTW, this occurred to me too. After U$C was stripped of its 2004 NC championship last year there was debate on the sportstalk shows about whether the NC should then be awarded to Auburn, since the Tigers were undefeated that year. However, the BCS put the kibosh on that speculation immediately. My guess would be the BCS had already decided that wasn't going to happen because they already suspected these mofos cheated worse than U$C. All this is alleged and so for nothing more than hypothetical: It's big scale money laundering just the uncle in michigan part, and I'm no expert, but this pattern of behavior, the nature of the laundering, the use of the bank and casino for capital, shelter, and influence, the purported influence of the bank to extort donations and contracts/work for AU approved business and individuals, the fact that possibly some of the payment may have been directed towards deals with pops' trucking company that was nothing before this, arrested people for buying votes - this is RICO because this is operating exactly like organized crime from top to bottom, because it is an organized crime, people flip in rico because each count carries a max of 20 years. -- organized crime almost always includes gambling and bootlegging - how long till inside information to gamblers and/or AU gear and memorabilia being distributed around is part of this? The War Eagle Nostra
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