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Post by SD Johnny on Feb 10, 2016 22:27:52 GMT -8
If the Briggs initiative is in the ballot (it sounds like it will have the signatures) how would that affect a Chargers initiative?
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Feb 11, 2016 13:19:21 GMT -8
The original post for this thread said that. If that original statement was wrong, then so am I. It is no secret the Chargers prefer downtown but until they officially announce that is indeed their focus I am skeptical. There are several political forces that don't want a stadium downtown. For the grand vision of SDSU West campus to become a reality the Charger stadium must be downtown. Regardless, any stadium decision will have to pass a vote with the electorate. This interview is just speculation from two people who don't even know Fred Maas. They are merely assuming that since Maas was involved in Centre City that he would prefer downtown. The obviously did not do their homework, as Maas has previously given his opinion on the stadium issue and said MV is the better site.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Feb 11, 2016 19:43:45 GMT -8
Well it's not looking good. Spanos says there had to be a proposal put together be the end of March to make the ballot initiative. And someone else is saying moving the bus yard is the obstacle as just the environmentals alone will take 2 years.
Seems unlikely after already rejecting MV, he's now willing to accept that location. Strange that he broke off negotiations and now he may have to go back on his word.
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Post by ab on Feb 12, 2016 8:54:00 GMT -8
Does this mean Fabiani is hopefully out? Not according to many articles stating that he will head a legal team to get a new stadium done in S.D. Hopefully he will have a muzzle installed in his grill over the next few months.
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Post by aztecbolt on Feb 12, 2016 9:14:51 GMT -8
Does this mean Fabiani is hopefully out? Not according to many articles stating that he will head a legal team to get a new stadium done in S.D. Hopefully he will have a muzzle installed in his grill over the next few months. We're not going to hear from Fabiani again though. Dean Spanos and Maas are going to be the ones talking to the public from now on.
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Post by chris92065 on Feb 12, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -8
look for the stadium to built at qualcomm.
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Post by laaztec on Feb 12, 2016 9:53:14 GMT -8
look for the stadium to built at qualcomm. Who's paying for it?
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Post by pbaztec17 on Feb 12, 2016 9:59:06 GMT -8
look for the stadium to built at qualcomm. Who's paying for it? If your in LA, not you, so nothing to worry about.
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Post by laaztec on Feb 12, 2016 10:04:37 GMT -8
If your in LA, not you, so nothing to worry about. Nobody's paying for it.
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Post by pbaztec17 on Feb 12, 2016 10:13:07 GMT -8
If your in LA, not you, so nothing to worry about. Nobody's paying for it. Why dont you let the san diegans decide that homeboy
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Post by chris92065 on Feb 12, 2016 11:15:54 GMT -8
lachargerfan and laaztec i would imagine never attend aztec games and are probably working for the city of carson as dump truck drivers who were promised concessions jobs if the chargers moved to carson.
i assume that they are still reeling from the blow of losing carson.
i have a feeling their life size wall magnet of fibiani has found its way to the carson dump aite by now.
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Post by chris92065 on Feb 12, 2016 11:28:56 GMT -8
laaztec and lachargerfan hard at work at carson dump.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Feb 12, 2016 12:45:53 GMT -8
I think that Spanos will allow the end of March date to come and go. Then he will give the city until a couple of weeks after the draft to have a proposal ready.
All the time acting like he is serious about a SD deal, with his minions saying how great season ticket sales, etc. will generate good will from Chargers leadership, etc. Then after the money is in he is going to bail on the project and move the team to LA.
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Post by aztecbolt on Feb 12, 2016 12:51:28 GMT -8
I think that Spanos will allow the end of March date to come and go. Then he will give the city until a couple of weeks after the draft to have a proposal ready. All the time acting like he is serious about a SD deal, with his minions saying how great season ticket sales, etc. will generate good will from Chargers leadership, etc. Then after the money is in he is going to bail on the project and move the team to LA. I think you should read this: espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14752649/the-real-story-nfl-owners-battle-bring-football-back-los-angeles
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Post by Boise Aztec on Feb 12, 2016 12:57:55 GMT -8
If the Briggs initiative is in the ballot (it sounds like it will have the signatures) how would that affect a Chargers initiative? Here you go. "If two or more measures conflict, the measure receiving the greatest number of affirmative votes supersedes the other. This provision was clarified in Taxpayers to Limit Campaign Spending v. Fair Political Practices Commission (1990). The court determined that: When two or more measures are competing initiatives, either because they are expressly offered as "all-or-nothing" alternatives or because each creates a comprehensive regulatory scheme related to the same subject, section 10(b) mandates that only the provisions of the measure receiving the highest number of affirmative votes be enforced.[1] The court argued that combining initiatives piecemeal could lead to outcomes unintended by voters. A notable example of such unintended consequences occurred in Oregon in 1908."
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Post by Boise Aztec on Feb 12, 2016 13:15:06 GMT -8
I think that Spanos will allow the end of March date to come and go. Then he will give the city until a couple of weeks after the draft to have a proposal ready. All the time acting like he is serious about a SD deal, with his minions saying how great season ticket sales, etc. will generate good will from Chargers leadership, etc. Then after the money is in he is going to bail on the project and move the team to LA. I think you should read this: espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14752649/the-real-story-nfl-owners-battle-bring-football-back-los-angelesI read the whole thing, so what. There have been many times in my career I have had to partner with folks I didn't want to, but it comes down to value and there is no way that the Chargers will be more valuable in SD with a new stadium with the Rams and Raiders in LA. If Spanos says no you can rest assured Davis will say yes.
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Post by aztecbolt on Feb 12, 2016 13:46:17 GMT -8
I read the whole thing, so what. There have been many times in my career I have had to partner with folks I didn't want to, but it comes down to value and there is no way that the Chargers will be more valuable in SD with a new stadium with the Rams and Raiders in LA. If Spanos says no you can rest assured Davis will say yes. When everyone keeps saying their value will go up, they're not factoring in the costs associated with that. Forbes values the Chargers at about $1.5 billion right now. If they get a new stadium it's going to go up. I don't know by how much, but perhaps another $500 million? The 49'ers value jumped up big time, I believe around $1 billion, after they got their new stadium. The NY Giants are valued at $2.8 billion and the Jets at $2.6 billion and they're equal partners in their new stadium. If Spanos goes to LA as equal partners it's going to cost him $550 million (relocation) + somewhere around $1.3 billion to buy in. That's almost $2 billion before interest. That's not happening. If Spanos goes to LA as a tenant, it's going to cost him $550 million paid over 10 years (approximately $650 million), plus he loses out on the $100 million gift from the NFL + $50 million G4 loan forgiveness if they stay in San Diego. That's already an $800 million swing just to be a tenant. As a tenant, the value of the team is not going to jump up as much as people think. They're not going to be more valuable than the Jets since they would only be tenants. I would say there is not going to be much of a difference in their value either way if they stay here or go to LA as tenants. Kroenke can afford to sink in all that money because he's going to make it back with all the surrounding development. Spanos will never have that option in Inglewood. All his money is going to come from gameday revenue only. He'll be able to work out a much more favorable deal here over Inglewood. These are all financial things even before you factor in the personal issues going on here and owning your market vs being maybe 6th or 7th in the totem pole in the LA/OC market. I don't think the decision is even close for Spanos. San Diego is far and away the more attractive option and he realizes that and that's why you see the sudden change in attitude. Now, they just need to figure out how to win back the public. Davis may pounce on the opportunity to go to LA because Oakland is not interested in building a new stadium for them. They also have the A's stadium issue going on that they're dealing with. Right now, Davis doesn't have much of a choice but to leave Oakland, unless he sells the team to someone who has the money to get something done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 14:02:56 GMT -8
I think that Spanos will allow the end of March date to come and go. Then he will give the city until a couple of weeks after the draft to have a proposal ready. All the time acting like he is serious about a SD deal, with his minions saying how great season ticket sales, etc. will generate good will from Chargers leadership, etc. Then after the money is in he is going to bail on the project and move the team to LA. Right now the Chargers are saying everything possible to suck fans in to buying season tickets for next year. The only person that ever got the best of Spanos was my hero Ryan Leaf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 14:16:21 GMT -8
Why anyone living in or from San Diego would be rooting for the Chargers at this point is a complete mystery. Similar to battered spouse syndrome? Probably.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Feb 12, 2016 14:31:16 GMT -8
I read the whole thing, so what. There have been many times in my career I have had to partner with folks I didn't want to, but it comes down to value and there is no way that the Chargers will be more valuable in SD with a new stadium with the Rams and Raiders in LA. If Spanos says no you can rest assured Davis will say yes. When everyone keeps saying their value will go up, they're not factoring in the costs associated with that. Forbes values the Chargers at about $1.5 billion right now. If they get a new stadium it's going to go up. I don't know by how much, but perhaps another $500 million? The 49'ers value jumped up big time, I believe around $1 billion, after they got their new stadium. The NY Giants are valued at $2.8 billion and the Jets at $2.6 billion and they're equal partners in their new stadium. If Spanos goes to LA as equal partners it's going to cost him $550 million (relocation) + somewhere around $1.3 billion to buy in. That's almost $2 billion before interest. That's not happening. If Spanos goes to LA as a tenant, it's going to cost him $550 million paid over 10 years (approximately $650 million), plus he loses out on the $100 million gift from the NFL + $50 million G4 loan forgiveness if they stay in San Diego. That's already an $800 million swing just to be a tenant. As a tenant, the value of the team is not going to jump up as much as people think. They're not going to be more valuable than the Jets since they would only be tenants. I would say there is not going to be much of a difference in their value either way if they stay here or go to LA as tenants. Kroenke can afford to sink in all that money because he's going to make it back with all the surrounding development. Spanos will never have that option in Inglewood. All his money is going to come from gameday revenue only. He'll be able to work out a much more favorable deal here over Inglewood. These are all financial things even before you factor in the personal issues going on here and owning your market vs being maybe 6th or 7th in the totem pole in the LA/OC market. I don't think the decision is even close for Spanos. San Diego is far and away the more attractive option and he realizes that and that's why you see the sudden change in attitude. Now, they just need to figure out how to win back the public. Davis may pounce on the opportunity to go to LA because Oakland is not interested in building a new stadium for them. They also have the A's stadium issue going on that they're dealing with. Right now, Davis doesn't have much of a choice but to leave Oakland, unless he sells the team to someone who has the money to get something done. The deal is done in LA. Spanos will not be a partner and will not share in the capital costs. His rent will be $1 per year. Value would go up just through tickets, marketing etc. Not too mention that after he gets to LA he can always play out the lease and then move to his own place in Carson or wherever. As for SD, his value may go up with a new stadium, but not like SF, plus the Spanos' will have some of their own money in the project extending the amount of time to payback. Plus the Raiders in LA along with the Rams. Wow! There are a lot of folks in LA right now that would love to have the Raiders back. The two combined would own Southern California. Sorry, and I may be wrong, but I just don't see it. After the emotions have settled Dean will make the best long term decision for his family even if that is with Kroenke. I hope I am wrong.
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