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Post by docmm on Feb 3, 2016 8:08:12 GMT -8
Last night in the early warm ups I saw Shirley hit about 10 in a row from different 3-pt locations. He swished 5 in a row from the corner. I was sure he was going to break through last night. Now it seems like he's aware of that 0-7 start every time he has the opportunity to shoot a 3 and he hesitates. Would love to see him break out against the damn Lobos. At least Perez looked comfortable shooting again after missing a shot. I know Shirley is bigger, stronger and a better defender but if he keeps missing, I'd like to see Perez back in there.
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Post by Fisher Fanatic on Feb 3, 2016 8:11:42 GMT -8
He didn't hesitate. He just missed a few shots. He hasn't gotten this legs back and will be fine. He is much better than Perez, who is a walk on when we have multiple scholarships open. Shooters miss. It's okay
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Post by moctezumaii on Feb 3, 2016 8:20:06 GMT -8
Shrigley seems to have the same chances of making a shot as a MLB pitcher does of getting a hit. Maybe not that good. One final baseball analogy: he's accurate with the ball like Steve Sax or Mackie Sasser.
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2016 8:24:23 GMT -8
We are a team that can dominate inside if we have a solid scheme to get the forwards the ball down low . Look at how many points we had last night in the paint, on the other hand we shot 25% from 3 point land . That is our strength our inside game , not 3 point shooting.Trey Kell starting SG, knows how much more valuable he is driving the lane , shooting drawing fouls , setting up others. Shrigley has got to develop same game Kell has if he wants more PT . Perez same . Enough of both of the home town hero's three point shooting .Need more PT for Malik , Zylan , or even Williams to help move the ball .
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Post by tonatiuh on Feb 3, 2016 8:36:25 GMT -8
One of his misses bounced high, and came down like it was going to make it, but just missed. Give him a break, sooner , or later when he gets his feel back those shots will go down like they are on a wire directed toward the basket. He's only played 3-4 games compared to the team's 23! Relax, he'll get it very soon.
Don't you have confidence in him? He still plays good "D", and was passing the ball pretty good last night.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Feb 3, 2016 8:41:03 GMT -8
I don't understand the hoopla over Shrigs. Sure we need him to come around, but actually I was never impressed by his play last year, kind of a non factor guy like Rahon, just doesn't have the clutch factor. Make a move when you get the ball and try to create something for God's sake. What do these guys do all day long anyway? He always gets burned on the perimeter, so easy to drive around. Does it take more than 2 weeks for a young guy to get his legs back? Well maybe, look at Pope for example....now I'm talking to myself again.
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Post by rockshow on Feb 3, 2016 8:58:48 GMT -8
Shrigs got some stops and pulled down down some rebounds that Perez would have had no chance of getting. I want to see him make more shots but shrigs can do things Perez isn't capable of.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Feb 3, 2016 9:08:59 GMT -8
When Shrigley's shots start dropping, you will see the difference it makes in our offense. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but the value of that opinion should be compared to Fisher's. We saw two really good coaches do a masterful job last night. But this is not about last night, but is about March. Shrigley would be a starter if he had not been injured. He just needs time to get his game back.
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2016 9:17:26 GMT -8
understand he is the home town hero but enough . Kell , who is also a SG that has developed an inside game , that is needed by our SG's , Matt has not or has Perez. We have the 5 starters who should be able to play about 25-32 minutes , then Malik , and D.Allen should be playing 15-25 each . Angelo if he is needed as reserve at the 5 but if needed move Zylan there .
We are , a team that needs more movement , more passing . Offense that should get the ball inside for at least one or two touches every set , NOT just pass for a spot three - just doesn't cut it ,when our inside game is strong . would also guess some one would have the stat how many rebounds we get on 3 point shots ,compared to missed two point shots . What team can match up with our forwards in the MW - none . So yes other teams would prefer we let the spot shooters shoot (25%)- they can not stop our inside game when we really move the ball and execute . We really need to win 16 conference games , not lose at home and our best bet is the inside/outside game , with the occasional three from JH or Kell . If there is any other guy should be Malik IF he gets his range back , but he needs his confidence from PT - that should come from the PT that Matt is getting .
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 3, 2016 9:24:38 GMT -8
When Shrigley's shots start dropping, you will see the difference it makes in our offense. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but the value of that opinion should be compared to Fisher's. We saw two really good coaches do a masterful job last night. But this is not about last night, but is about March. Shrigley would be a starter if he had not been injured. He just needs time to get his game back. Shrigley has always been a fisher favorite, and he did make some defensive plays last night. Perez would have hit some of those 3's last night. How bout Perez's tip dunk against Long Beach state, don't remember Shrigs ever making a play like that. Think it's more about loyalty to a 4 year player on scholarship. Perez will be ready when he gets his next chance. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Feb 3, 2016 9:33:27 GMT -8
I don't think you guys remember that towards the end of last year Shrigs started driving more to the basket with authority. I agree with others that it'll just take a little more time for him to get his legs back. Most people don't realize that after a major injury your kinesthetic chain is altered enough to disrupt years of muscle memory that now need to be re-educated. It's only been 6 months since his surgery and probably only 3 months of being active. Seriously, how he even came back this fast and able to play good defensive at the D1 level is nothing short of amazing.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 3, 2016 9:50:17 GMT -8
Shrigley is a good outside shooter. He is a big help to our second line. Missing 7 shoots is not a big deal. He will have one of those streaks that earases that from our minds. There are very valid reasons that Perez is not playing.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 3, 2016 9:52:31 GMT -8
understand he is the home town hero but enough . Kell , who is also a SG that has developed an inside game , that is needed by our SG's , Matt has not or has Perez. We have the 5 starters who should be able to play about 25-32 minutes , then Malik , and D.Allen should be playing 15-25 each . Angelo if he is needed as reserve at the 5 but if needed move Zylan there . We are , a team that needs more movement , more passing . Offense that should get the ball inside for at least one or two touches every set , NOT just pass for a spot three - just doesn't cut it ,when our inside game is strong . would also guess some one would have the stat how many rebounds we get on 3 point shots ,compared to missed two point shots . What team can match up with our forwards in the MW - none . So yes other teams would prefer we let the spot shooters shoot (25%)- they can not stop our inside game when we really move the ball and execute . We really need to win 16 conference games , not lose at home and our best bet is the inside/outside game , with the occasional three from JH or Kell . If there is any other guy should be Malik IF he gets his range back , but he needs his confidence from PT - that should come from the PT that Matt is getting . Our support of Shrigley has nothing to do with where he played high school basketball. All Aztecs are now hometown heroes. |
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Post by azdick on Feb 3, 2016 9:58:25 GMT -8
Do Shrigs detractors understand that adding a three ball element to the rotation opens up our entire offense? If Shrigs can shoot 35% from three, the offense will b come much more dynamic inside and out. Come on, leave the coaching to coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 10:03:31 GMT -8
Shrigs is regularly credited for doing things he has never done. He is a dead eye shooter rounding back into form as soon as he gets his legs back, bull$#!+. He has never been a consistent shooter. He has been a consistent defender. He makes smart decisions but can't stay in front of really quick opponents. He makes the team better, but he's never been a great shooter.
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2016 10:16:56 GMT -8
We have a great athletic team recruited by the coaches . Use our talents to the max . We have played 23 games . Our strength is going to the basket with a few threes (30 % but lately about 25%). We are not a good three point shooting team . So do you really go and continue to develop the inside game or let guys keep shooting threes at 25 % when inside game could be close to 50%. Guys we really need sharp for March the 5 starters , if we had to choose from reserves Malik , Dakari , Chol . Matt if he gets hot , will make a difference in maybe a few games , as he has in the past but needs to prove to be consistent and get inside for shots or fouls . Matt's stats from last year he only drew 3 fouls in 24 games , was fantastic 6 for 6 100% but only 6 FT's ? He averaged 20 minutes a game . Need more from his total game . From reserves D.Allen and even Malik have improved , take a look at last nights , stats , blocks , rebounds , assists . You are correct he is a Fisher favorite .Need more from his game .
We are a bubble team for MM at large . Need to win every home game remaining and 16-2 in conference play .To make March meaningful games need to be won now .
Next year we have 11 scholarship players . 6'8" Spot shooter Max will be here(SF) . Also MG-C a skill full 6'6" (SG-SF ) that can shoot/ score taking it to the basket or creating his own 3 point shots off the dribble. Hopefully we have enough starting talent that Matt remains a reserve So we are adding scoring shooters . Need is another PF/C so 12 th scholarship could go there rather then Ben , over load with shooters , plus holding on to the 13th scholarship in case or PG ? Does Ben stay as walk on or look for a school where he will get PT ?
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Post by Gundo on Feb 3, 2016 10:24:11 GMT -8
Last night in the early warm ups I saw Shirley hit about 10 in a row from different 3-pt locations. He swished 5 in a row from the corner. I was sure he was going to break through last night. Now it seems like he's aware of that 0-7 start every time he has the opportunity to shoot a 3 and he hesitates. Would love to see him break out against the damn Lobos. At least Perez looked comfortable shooting again after missing a shot. I know Shirley is bigger, stronger and a better defender but if he keeps missing, I'd like to see Perez back in there. Perez was added when Shrigs went down with an ACL tear. Shrigs is bigger, stronger and a better on-ball defender. I assume Perez won't stay around and find a place where he can play and get more minutes. Next year Teki and Max come in at SF. Max a better shooter, Teki a top #50 player + Shrigley it gets way to crowded in the back court and on the wing. Plus Germ and Kell aren't going anywhere. |
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Post by johnnyutah on Feb 3, 2016 10:35:31 GMT -8
When Shrigley's shots start dropping, you will see the difference it makes in our offense. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but the value of that opinion should be compared to Fisher's. We saw two really good coaches do a masterful job last night. But this is not about last night, but is about March. Shrigley would be a starter if he had not been injured. He just needs time to get his game back. Shrigley has always been a fisher favorite, and he did make some defensive plays last night. Perez would have hit some of those 3's last night. How bout Perez's tip dunk against Long Beach state, don't remember Shrigs ever making a play like that. Think it's more about loyalty to a 4 year player on scholarship. Perez will be ready when he gets his next chance. Last 8 3's: 1-8 Last 18 3's: 2-18 Last 6 games (51 minutes): 1 rebound Last 10 games (111 minutes): 1 steal Shrigley is clearly working his way back from the ACL, but is finding ways to contribute -- he had 4 rebounds last night and his shot will come around. Remember when we beat St. John's in the tourney last year? Shrigley was 4-5 from 3. He isn't playing great right now, but he is still contributing and I think its unfair to expect him to play great right off the bat. I think getting him these minutes will help in the long run. Trey Kell was 6-23 from the field and 1-9 from 3 in the first 4 games of the year...he got his confidence back and now look at him. Not saying Shrigley will score like Kell, but he too will get back into being a valuable part of the rotation and will start knocking down some 3's. |
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 3, 2016 10:58:53 GMT -8
We have a great athletic team recruited by the coaches . Use our talents to the max . We have played 23 games . Our strength is going to the basket with a few threes (30 % but lately about 25%). We are not a good three point shooting team . So do you really go and continue to develop the inside game or let guys keep shooting threes at 25 % when inside game could be close to 50%. Guys we really need sharp for March the 5 starters , if we had to choose from reserves Malik , Dakari , Chol . Matt if he gets hot , will make a difference in maybe a few games , as he has in the past but needs to prove to be consistent and get inside for shots or fouls . Matt's stats from last year he only drew 3 fouls in 24 games , was fantastic 6 for 6 100% but only 6 FT's ? He averaged 20 minutes a game . Need more from his total game . From reserves D.Allen and even Malik have improved , take a look at last nights , stats , blocks , rebounds , assists . You are correct he is a Fisher favorite .Need more from his game . We are a bubble team for MM at large . Need to win every home game remaining and 16-2 in conference play .To make March meaningful games need to be won now . Next year we have 11 scholarship players . 6'8" Spot shooter Max will be here(SF) . Also MG-C a skill full 6'6" (SG-SF ) that can shoot/ score taking it to the basket or creating his own 3 point shots off the dribble. Hopefully we have enough starting talent that Matt remains a reserve So we are adding scoring shooters . Need is another PF/C so 12 th scholarship could go there rather then Ben , over load with shooters , plus holding on to the 13th scholarship in case or PG ? Does Ben stay as walk on or look for a school where he will get PT ? You keep referring to Kell playing more inside than outside, but the fact is he's taking as many 3's now, in conference play, as he did prior. The only difference is he's MAKING more of his 2's and he's getting more attempts, PERIOD. Ever think why Kell is able to drive - how that's set up? The fact he's a threat from outside is why he's able to take guys off the dribble.
We're athletic, but shooting 3's has been and will remain a part of our identity. It HAS to be. Just because shooters miss doesn't mean you quit shooting. We SUCKED from inside the line early in the year (43%) & were actually MUCH more effective from outside the line. Should we have stopped taking 2's & only took 3's at that time? NO! You need both, and we need a good balance of playing inside & out. Our perimeter game sets up the inside game, and vice versa. We take fewer 3's than most teams, and that's always been the case this year. But the LAST thing you ever want to do is pass up good 3 point shots. One of our issues of late has been some guys are hesitating when they get good outside looks, which lowers your odds of making them. Our game plan going into CSU was to take 20+ 3's - we expected them to give it to us. Dave V even said to expect 20+ attempts. We took 21.
We run some motion, but we're more of a dribble-drive/pick & drive team. THAT is our identity. We're not going to lead the conference in assists. 1:1 ball is part of our identity, and should be, since that is where our strengths lie. If the opponent helps, then yes, look for the pass. If not, we use our physical advantages to take them off the dribble.
Shrigs has a much better rounded game than Perez, and delivers a LOT more on both ends of the court. There's really no comparison right now (maybe in 2 years). He has to take every good look he gets and should. They'll start to fall eventually. That's his role. His role isn't to create - we have PLENTY of those guys. In his rotation you have Kell, Allen (definitely better driver than shooter), Chol & Pope. ALL those guys want & need room to operate in the paint. Shrigley's role within that group is to keep spacing - STAY on the perimeter, and take the looks whenever they double off him. If he can help turn the court into a 4 on 4 situation, he's doing his job.
This is his October, and he's just now starting to move into his November. I look at AF & SJSU as 2 games where he'll really start to get some minutes & (hopefully) get in a groove. In the meantime, he's an above average on ball defender and a very good team defender, and gives us a huge upgrade on the boards compared to Perez. Plus, it's not like Perez was lighting it up from the perimeter - 2-18 in conference play. Shrigs can go 2 for his next 10 & still have a higher %.
Patience. The goal is to win - mission accomplish. Goal #2 is to improve week by week, peaking in March. Shrigs will help us do that, especially when compared to Perez. That's not bashing Perez, it's just the reality of the team. As for Perez next year, not to be harsh but who cares? It's the 2016 season right now & unless someone gets hurt he'll be about the same place in the rotation. If Perez wants to stick around with a chance to play in 2 years, I think that'd be great. You need guys who are willing to the 12th/13th/14th man, like a D-Will.
Lastly, pertaining to your prior post, D-Will is an absolutely GREAT kid but he should not see the floor unless it's in a mop-up role or both Kell & JH are in foul trouble. Kell is a significantly better back-up PG.
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Post by aztecron on Feb 3, 2016 11:20:04 GMT -8
Shrigley is a good outside shooter. He is a big help to our second line. Missing 7 shoots is not a big deal. He will have one of those streaks that earases that from our minds. There are very valid reasons that Perez is not playing. Agree completely. Heck, Shepard missed seven shots in the first half last night alone, still came back to help us win in the 2nd. Keep shooting, Shrigley. |
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