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Post by kozy on Dec 14, 2015 14:31:02 GMT -8
I guess I am picking on ISU since they are messed up today and we are getting bounces from them.
Right now they have 13 commitments. Surprise no 4 or 5 stars. We have 20. Sounds like SDSU. We have a QB they don't.
Athlete from Riverside, we didn't offer.
4 DB's 2-3 stars and 2 -2 stars.
3 - OL's 2 - 3 stars and one 2 stars. They recruit like us tall and big. 2 JUCO transfers. We offered one from SFCC.
1 - DT; 2 stars
1 - EB 3 stars good looks from other B12 schools
3 - TE, 1 JUCO 2 -2 stars and 1 3 stars
They recruit against CUSA and the MAC type schools. Our recruits stand up to and surpass ISU. Can we recruit if we go to another conference? Yes, we are right now. Think the recruiting is getting more consistent and better athletes.
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 14, 2015 14:45:32 GMT -8
True, but we're not recruiting against nearly everyone else in that conference. We're not competing for anyone with the Oklahoma's, Baylor's, TCU's or Texas's, and probably would struggle for a few years until we a) get full revenue (which usually is 2-3 years out), and b) are able to use the promise of that money to upgrade the facilities.
That said, just getting invited to join a P5 gives you a BIG boost in recruiting!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:52:28 GMT -8
True, but we're not recruiting against nearly everyone else in that conference. We're not competing for anyone with the Oklahoma's, Baylor's, TCU's or Texas's, and probably would struggle for a few years until we a) get full revenue (which usually is 2-3 years out), and b) are able to use the promise of that money to upgrade the facilities. That said, just getting invited to join a P5 gives you a BIG boost in recruiting! We would eventually be able to take recruits from the big boys in the Big 12, just like TCU is now. I am sure there are many very good football players from the BIG Recruit Footprint that would like to spend 4 years in San Diego playing football. If SDSU were to gain access to the BIG 12, within a year or two, they are a perennial Top 25 football team. Furthermore, once the Aztec procured an on campus stadium of 50k [expandable to 75K at a later date] capacity, SDSU would soon play before sellout crowds, much like the Basketball Team does. SDSU Football is a Program on the rise. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 14, 2015 15:19:16 GMT -8
ISU is a B12 member , have not done that well in B12, they recently fired their Coach . so recruits are not sure if new coach still wants them and style of play . JC players who graduate in December can start their 4 year college in January . So they want to make sure they have a scholarship lined up . ISU being lower end B12 has to battle the better teams in B12 and BIG for recruits .
You may also remember that the ISU President/ or AD , when asked about B12 expansion . He said he would prefer a school that ISU could beat so ISU could get to be Bowl Eligible . So prefer weaker teams joining B12 . They are a Basketball School ,take in numerous transfers .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 15:23:27 GMT -8
True, but we're not recruiting against nearly everyone else in that conference. We're not competing for anyone with the Oklahoma's, Baylor's, TCU's or Texas's, and probably would struggle for a few years until we a) get full revenue (which usually is 2-3 years out), and b) are able to use the promise of that money to upgrade the facilities. That said, just getting invited to join a P5 gives you a BIG boost in recruiting! We would be better positioned to recruit against Pac-12 schools. If the B12 invite ever came, it would be to gain a foothold on the west coast. Pulling guys from Texas into SDSU would be a bonus. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 15, 2015 10:27:45 GMT -8
If and very BIG IF, SDSU would become a member of the B12 . It automatically elevates SDSU's recruiting , that is a major reason the PAC schools will Never let SDSU in . Same reasons B12 schools will not let Houston , SMU or other schools it may compete against for recruits . P5 regional recruiting blocking .
If we were a B12 school we could have a much better chance to compete for the recruits the P5/PAC/B12 gets, that we never have been on the same recruiting field with . Right now there are guys that strictly want a P5 school , even the lower level ones in the B12 or PAC . So moving up to that level dramatically effects who we have an opportunity to recruit . Right now all PAC and B12 schools have the major advantage over us , so NO WAY PAC lets us in and not sure about the B12 ,if they are going to expand , recruiting wars.
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Post by robthevol on Dec 15, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -8
AFAN: "We would be better positioned to recruit against Pac-12 schools".
True. The Pac-12 does not want SDSU mainly because of recruiting and market share. The Big-12 would be interested in SDSU for the same reasons.
If this came about, the Pac-12 would need a response. Don't know what, but they could not let this simply go.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 15, 2015 16:03:13 GMT -8
If and very BIG IF, SDSU would become a member of the B12 . It automatically elevates SDSU's recruiting , that is a major reason the PAC schools will Never let SDSU in . Same reasons B12 schools will not let Houston , SMU or other schools it may compete against for recruits . P5 regional recruiting blocking . If we were a B12 school we could have a much better chance to compete for the recruits the P5/PAC/B12 gets, that we never have been on the same recruiting field with . Right now there are guys that strictly want a P5 school , even the lower level ones in the B12 or PAC . So moving up to that level dramatically effects who we have an opportunity to recruit . Right now all PAC and B12 schools have the major advantage over us , so NO WAY PAC lets us in and not sure about the B12 ,if they are going to expand , recruiting wars. Well, I suppose one could find reasons why the Big-12 (or any Power Five conference) might veto each and every school in the Group of Five. Either a G5 school is a competitor for recruits (e.g, Houston) or it is too weak to be a legitimate P5 member (e.g., Florida International). But if the Big-12 wants to expand, they are going to have to invite somebody! Either they poach a school from another P5 league, such as Colorado to the Pac-12 or Maryland to the Big=10, or they will have to pick a G5 school. At some point, the desire to expand will overcome qualms about bringing in a serious competitor for recruits. This is a big country, and you can't tell me that there are not enough outstanding student athletes to stock the rosters of 120 some FBS schools. As for the Aztecs joining the Big-12, I still think that our chances are slim. Houston, SMU, and Cincinnati are all well-known and respected schools and they are much closer to Big-12 country than is SDSU. I wish our chances were better, but I just don't think they are. AzWm |
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Post by fisherville on Dec 15, 2015 16:53:36 GMT -8
Getting to the Big-12 would definitely help our recruiting, would we initially be able to recruit on par with Oregon, USC, UCLA, Oklahoma, Texas? Of course not, we could compete with the Arizona State, Cal, Washington, and TCU level, I believe.
While we occasionally get a recruit that is offered from mid pac-12 member they still consistently get more than us that both are going after. TCU actually doesn't recruit great, I believe part of this is because of there campus being private and I believe not too huge in population, I'm sure there are cases where they prefer a 3 star over a 4 star but I'm sure they have also whiffed on tons of 4/5 stars.
TCU's rivals recruiting rankings:
2016: 35
2015: 34
2014: 50
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Post by standiego on Dec 15, 2015 17:02:34 GMT -8
Like it or not PAC schools DO block SDSU from joining mostly because of recruiting and TV markets . Would guess Utah does not want BYU . Same thing in the B12: Texas , Baylor , TCU , TT would all block Houston and SMU from joining for the same reasons Recruiting and TV markets . No one said this is fair only that it is a business for College football. Recruiting and TV Markets are Big Money . B12 schools may not mind BYU , CINCY , Memphis or other schools that it does not compete with for recruits . CINCY would not get into the BIG - Buckeye block . Memphis would get blocked by the Vols in its Conference . UCF and SFU would get blocked by Gators and FSU in their Conferences . Basic Business MONEY . A conference IF it expands is on its terms . They may not need or want the best football team . It is TV Markets they do not have. or compete with a current school for recruits . So SDSU does have a much better chance of getting into B12 then Houston or SMU and zero chance at the PAC . PAC schools do not want to elevate SDSU and then compete for the same recruits. Same with B12 schools , no way do they elevate Houston or SMU. You win games with your recruits. 5 star recruits are primarily going to attend P5 schools. Same with most 4 star . So PAC wants to keep SDSU with the 2 and 3 star recruits. ISU has already said it wants a lower end football team it can beat . They want to win enough games to be Bowl E and win more Conference games , go ask their fired HC coach .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 15, 2015 17:37:47 GMT -8
Like it or not PAC schools DO block SDSU from joining mostly because of recruiting and TV markets . Would guess Utah does not want BYU . Same thing in the B12: Texas , Baylor , TCU , TT would all block Houston and SMU from joining for the same reasons Recruiting and TV markets . No one said this is fair only that it is a business for College football. Recruiting and TV Markets are Big Money . B12 schools may not mind BYU , CINCY , Memphis or other schools that it does not compete with for recruits . CINCY would not get into the BIG - Buckeye block . Memphis would get blocked by the Vols in its Conference . UCF and SFU would get blocked by Gators and FSU in their Conferences . Basic Business MONEY . A conference IF it expands is on its terms . They may not need or want the best football team . It is TV Markets they do not have. or compete with a current school for recruits . So SDSU does have a much better chance of getting into B12 then Houston or SMU and zero chance at the PAC . PAC schools do not want to elevate SDSU and then compete for the same recruits. Same with B12 schools , no way do they elevate Houston or SMU. You win games with your recruits. 5 star recruits are primarily going to attend P5 schools. Same with most 4 star . So PAC wants to keep SDSU with the 2 and 3 star recruits. ISU has already said it wants a lower end football team it can beat . They want to win enough games to be Bowl E and win more Conference games , go ask their fired HC coach . Mostly agree with you on the second part of that statement, but not so much on the first part. Second part first. The only way we would ever get into the Pac-12 is if that conference wants to expand and SDSU is about the only feasible candidate. Again, as I said earlier, at some point the desire/need to expand may overcome other objections to extending and invitation to any particular school. Who, other than SDSU, might the Pac-12 invite? Oh, sure, they might (repeat might) want Texas and Oklahoma, but those two schools would be crazy to join the Pac-12. And Texas and Oklahoma are not crazy. Okay, how about Boise State? Well, do you think the Washington and Oregon schools would welcome the Broncos with open arms? And, if academics really do matter to the Pac-12, BSU is not attractive when compared with SDSU. How about BYU? It's highly likely that BYU's religious orientation would continue to be a deal-breaker for the very secularly oriented Pac-12. I totally agree that the CA Pac-12 schools do not want SDSU. Period. But, again keeping in mind that circumstances can change almost any sincerely held position, Aztec membership in the Pac-12 may not be quite so out of the question as most of us (including me!) think. But such an invitation would come only if the overall condition of college football changes radically. As for the first part of your statement, I think that Houston and SMU both have a better chance of joining the Big-12 than we have of joining the Pac-12. The Pac-12 already has enough schools for two divisions and a championship game. The Big-12, on the other hand, must invite two schools in order to establish divisions and a championship game. I think Cincinnati is the most likely addition, but who gets the second invitation? Memphis is not impressive enough I would say. I think Houston is a natural, SMU not so much. The Texas schools may not want Houston as a rival, but if some school has to get that second invitation, I think it will be Houston. The bottom line here is that it seems clear to me that our chances of getting an invitation before Cincy, Houston, or some third Middle Western or Southwestern school are basically none. AzWm |
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Post by standiego on Dec 15, 2015 20:29:17 GMT -8
Do not see the PAC feeling the need to expand . Why do they need to add more schools ? what do they gain ? Schools in the PAC now want to get to Final 4 for football . Adding more teams does not help , could add more losses during the season . Sooners are on top of the B12 in football and close for MBB ,why change? Also please do not believe anyone who says that schools are added or not added to a conference because of their academics . College football is Strictly a Business not academic deal .
B12 : They are a P5 conference . The P5 schools in Texas , are going to get the 5 or 4 star recruits . Houston and SMU, are G5 ,so for the most part they are not going to get many . As soon as they would become a member of the B12 they would be elevated and maybe able to get some of those 5 and 4 star recruits . If so that means they maybe able to compete against the B12 Texas schools . Most important for the B12 schools is getting to the Final 4 . Do you think Baylor , TCU , Texas , TT , want to add more competition for them in the Texas recruiting battles. NO Way . or more regular season losses . No . 40% of the schools in B12 are from Texas . Even the lower rated teams in B12 , recruit Texas . So would seriously doubt even an ISU school or others would vote to let them in . It makes no sense for them,RECRUITING or TV Market wise for them. Neither Houston or SMU are going to get into the B12 . All decisions are Money driven . Nothing else .Has nothing to do with what is fair , right , travel or academics. It is having the best Football team with the best recruits and winning for the current schools in B12. It is not about being an impressive school.... or any other details ,it is what is best for the current 10 teams to keep them at the top of the B12 . Will go back to what ISU said they want a school they can beat or maybe if there is a school that can bring the TV deal more Money . That is why SDSU has a better chance for B12 then Houston and SMU .Possible more TV money with CA Market for TV and keeps Houston and SMU in their place in Texas . CINCY or Memphis do not know ? or the 2 schools in Florida . Would guess WVU would prefer any of those 4 .
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Post by 94sdsu on Dec 15, 2015 22:42:43 GMT -8
If the B12 ever extends SDSU an invitation, it'll be very interesting to see how the Pac12 responds. Do they immediately go back after UT and OU, and thus OSU and TT as well by default? Or do they try to cut the B12 off from the west coast and offer SDSU membership as well? Oh to dream........
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Post by fisherville on Dec 15, 2015 23:34:54 GMT -8
SMU adds absolutely nothing of value
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Post by standiego on Dec 16, 2015 8:24:46 GMT -8
Easiest way any of the schools/conferences make more Money is to expand the playoffs to 8 teams rather then expand its conference . Less headaches and more money in every schools pocket .
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Post by kozy on Dec 16, 2015 8:34:19 GMT -8
Possible death penalty redux.
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Post by standiego on Dec 16, 2015 9:15:12 GMT -8
Not much reason for the PAC to expand . B12 has the Sooners in the FB Final 4 . So conference will be looking at what it may be doing going forward , expansion is for now on back burner . IF it does feel need to expand will be to try to make sure it keeps getting a team in the football playoffs ( strengthening the current 10 schools for playoffs or other Bowls) and ways to get additional money only . No other reasons.
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