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Post by legkick on Nov 28, 2015 10:27:38 GMT -8
The simple answer, aztecmichael, is that they are not fans. They are critics. There is a huge difference.
Look at every synonym for "fan" and they are all positive and supportive. If anything, the fanaticism from which the word fan is derived is supposed to be positive, even irrationally so. So, if you are overly supportive of the team and believe they will win every game that they objectively shouldn't, you're being a fan.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Nov 28, 2015 10:43:06 GMT -8
The price of SDSU basketball tickets have come up, A LOT. From a financial standpoint, it's not a good investment to drop that kind of money for the quality of product that's on the floor. If you don't like the complaining from folks who purchased these tickets to watch SDSU lose, why don't you front the cost? Oldie Out Precisely! I'm not a season ticket holder, but if I was and I witnessed the Ark.Little Rock/ WVU games, I'd ask why am I paying more for less? Would we prefer a more apathetic fan base with little upside expectations? Not me!
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Post by coloradoaztec on Nov 28, 2015 10:46:58 GMT -8
I also have got to the point where the bitching has got to an unbearable level.. I'm happy to read constructive criticism, but too many posters get waay to personal and mean with their postings in regards to calling out specific players. How difficult would it be to proof read what you're about to send... and read it as if you were that player and/or his parents. Perhaps you could reword a couple of things and then send away.
I challenge the members of this board to try to have more positive posts and less negative posts moving forward. San Diego State Basketball and Football has won about 75 percent of their games combined the last 6 years or so.. yes, it would be nice if we beat some of the power 5 teams in big games, but let's look at the alternative.. we could be Fresno State, New Mexico, San Jose State or a number of other schools.. would you rather be cheering for them?
I'm about to send out a message to the over 200 plus members of the Colorado Alumni group with links to all things SDSU, including AztecMesa.. let's see if we can welcome a group of new Aztecs to this board and not scare them off
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Post by badfish on Nov 28, 2015 10:47:36 GMT -8
OP, I want to officially welcome you to aztecmesa
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Post by legkick on Nov 28, 2015 10:59:10 GMT -8
Precisely! I'm not a season ticket holder, but if I was and I witnessed the Ark.Little Rock/ WVU games, I'd ask why am I paying more for less? Would we prefer a more apathetic fan base with little upside expectations? Not me! Nonsense. When you make the decision to purchase season tickets, the only thing to which you are entitled is admission to and a seat at the game for every game. You are not entitled to an SDSU home win; the fact that they have won most of their home games recently is no guarantee of future results. The current relative high pricing of season tickets is a function of supply and demand, primarily based upon how PAST seasons have played out. The current price of the tickets does not give you any entitlement to present/future extra high quality play. If you don't like how the team is performing and it affects you that badly, sell your tickets or better yet give them up. I don't like how the team is performing right now, but I can handle it without feeling the need to incessantly complain, so I'm keeping my tickets. Why not, I've been there, supporting the team through the bad times and the good.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Nov 28, 2015 11:13:55 GMT -8
Nonsense....In a society of free speech, one is free to critique oneself, one's boss, the President, the restaurant owner and even the preferred sports team - professional or amateur....
If you don't like this message board and it affects you that badly, leave to avoid personal stress. I've been there, supporting the team through good and bad times and will not abandon the board.
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Post by richpjr on Nov 28, 2015 12:13:35 GMT -8
It's funny how people object to other people posting their thoughts, feelings and observations on a public forum. The whining about negative posts is as sad as the trolling is. And when the same people complaining about negative posts then belittle people's opinions because they probably didn't play BB in a D1 school, that really is the pot calling the kettle black. A lot of people who didn't play D1 basketball still know a few things about the sport. IIRC, Brian Dutcher never played college basketball.
It's a public forum - feel free to skip any posts or threads that upset you.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 28, 2015 13:13:55 GMT -8
Public is the key term. One should be able to discern that what you do or say in private is often not what you should do or say in public. We have the "right" to do all kinds of things, but it doesn't make it good or right.
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Post by azdick on Nov 28, 2015 13:19:02 GMT -8
Public is the key term. One should be able to discern that what you do or say in private is often not what you should do or say in public. We have the "right" to do all kinds of things, but it doesn't make it good or right. ^^^^^+1 million Why throw flames on the fire? Give the student athletes a break. As for Fish, he's earned his get out of jail free card many times over.
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Post by richpjr on Nov 28, 2015 13:19:20 GMT -8
Public is the key term. One should be able to discern that what you do or say in private is often not what you should do or say in public. We have the "right" to do all kinds of things, but it doesn't make it good or right. I understand, but the entire purpose of a public forum is to discuss a particular topic - in this case the Aztecs. Having an open forum means people will have different takes and posting styles than you or I. I don't care much for either people trolling for a reaction or excessive homerism, but that is just me. If something annoys me about a post or topic I just try and skip it. Life is too short to worry about what some anonymous person on a forum writes.
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Post by coloradoaztec on Nov 28, 2015 13:35:14 GMT -8
some of you are just idiots.. There is a difference between talking about what a player or the team can do to be better, but many of you say things like "xyz player is a sorry piece of $#@& and should get his head out of his $#@". I don't see how that is productive
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 28, 2015 13:40:49 GMT -8
Discuss yes, ridicule no. Constructive critique mixed with humility yes.
I agree about ignoring, however another aspect about internet forms is that "posts" live longer than public conversation. And they can be reposted, etc. So there is something to not only being more careful with what you say, but calling out other "brothers" about what they post.
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Post by romanaztec on Nov 28, 2015 14:04:38 GMT -8
These threads are terrible. Zero discussion about basketball.
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Post by richpjr on Nov 28, 2015 14:25:02 GMT -8
some of you are just idiots.. There is a difference between talking about what a player or the team can do to be better, but many of you say things like "xyz player is a sorry piece of $#@& and should get his head out of his $#@". I don't see how that is productive Calling people idiots for ripping a player is kind of ironic, don't you think?
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Post by zed on Nov 28, 2015 14:47:49 GMT -8
Let's lay off our teams and go back to ripping the blue hairs that leave early and line up behind the Aztec basket while they're shooting FT's!
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Post by pbnative on Nov 28, 2015 15:20:25 GMT -8
Everyone needs to stop going AztecPanther Erik $hit and calm down. Still almost 3 months of basketball left to play.
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Post by coloradoaztec on Nov 28, 2015 15:59:11 GMT -8
some of you are just idiots.. There is a difference between talking about what a player or the team can do to be better, but many of you say things like "xyz player is a sorry piece of $#@& and should get his head out of his $#@". I don't see how that is productive Calling people idiots for ripping a player is kind of ironic, don't you think? I'm not talking about a player if you had noticed
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 28, 2015 16:24:28 GMT -8
Because we has fans have the right to complain. I've was there at the end of smokey and the brandenburg era and then trinkle. But this team lacks a leader and heart this goes back to coaching. I love coach fisher for what he has brought to the mesa, but the last two years have been hard to watch. I'm really worried these kids are not buying into his system anymore. No heart? The team came from 15 down in the second half against Cal. You do have the right to hyperbole
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 28, 2015 18:26:06 GMT -8
I ask this in all seriousness. Why are there fans that rip our team, coaches and programs at every opportunity? I have truly never understood it? I have followed Aztec sports since the late 60s and I just don't get it. If you aren't a fan, go away. If you are a fan, how could you rip the players and coaches that you supposedly cheer for? I understand frustration, criticism, analysis, second guessing....I get it all. I DONT get the absolute joy that exists for these fans when we lose. It makes no sense. My only guess is that their lives are so empty that they get some happiness in others disappointments. Very sad and strange people who do NOT deserve the privelege of being Aztecs. Meanwhile, we got our butts kicked tonight. I do think we are lacking some of the toughness that the transfers have brought us in the past. Guys like X, Josh, JJ, AQ, Malcolm, had a certain toughness that rubbed off on the others. This team has highly recruited guys who haven't experienced the adversity and I think, lack some of that toughness and refusal to lose. Keep on working and let's get a road w on Tuesday! I agree. I've been a follower of the Aztecs since the late '50s. Went to football and basketball games with my folks. Believe me, back in the Governali days there was much to be frustrated about. But, we certainly never criticized the players. I think it is reasonable to ask why a player might be doing well or poorly, but criticisms can go too far.
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 28, 2015 18:28:51 GMT -8
The price of SDSU basketball tickets have come up, A LOT. From a financial standpoint, it's not a good investment to drop that kind of money for the quality of product that's on the floor. If you don't like the complaining from folks who purchased these tickets to watch SDSU lose, why don't you front the cost? Oldie Out Precisely! I'm not a season ticket holder, but if I was and I witnessed the Ark.Little Rock/ WVU games, I'd ask why am I paying more for less? Would we prefer a more apathetic fan base with little upside expectations? Not me! You aren't paying more for less. Teams don't just improve and improve in a linear sort of way. There are good years and not so good years. I suggest that you don't buy the tickets. Others probably will.
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