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Post by sleepy on Oct 8, 2015 18:21:07 GMT -8
Yes.
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Post by bearfoot on Oct 8, 2015 18:48:10 GMT -8
Shows the major problem at SDSU . Poor recruitment and development of QB's at SDSU for the last 10 years . In today's game We can not win with out having quality QB's . Have had numerous quality RB's but without the QB we are going no where in games against quality opponents or win an MW championship . Debate should be who is in charge of recruiting and developing them Now and going forward . Is it our HC , OC or QB coach? would like some one to step up and take responsibility The great QBs go to B5 schools. Now and then, a non B5 will get a stud, but there is usually a real good reason. Like that red head kid that played at hometown (almost) TCU. You know, the Bengals QB.
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Post by bearfoot on Oct 8, 2015 18:51:29 GMT -8
I don't think what they did after SDSU should play a factor. We are a college team. So, our "best" quarterback should be a guy who was the best for US, not whether he amounted to anything after college. The best college player should be judged 100% on his time in college, not also include how successful they were in the pros. Practically two different sports. Some of the greatest collegiate football players in its entire history either never played in the pros or never did much in the pros. People make the mistake thinking that in order to judge how good an collegiate player was, we must judge how good of a pro player he was. In the last 10 years who had better stats as a QB at SDSU than Lindley? He was a four-year starter if I remember correctly. He threw for more yards than Santos I think. Santos' career record had existed for decades. So, fine, leave out the fact that he has played for the New England Patriots in the role of a backup. Who was better in the last 10 years? Coaching really helped Ryan L. I think K O'C was a better QB, but his teams were pretty poor. Perhaps the Katz kid might have been better, but he got hurt so early in the season, we can't really judge him. BTW, none that I've seen this season are on the list to choose from
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Post by retiredaztec on Oct 8, 2015 20:08:49 GMT -8
We haven't had a good QB since David Lowry. Santos fed me during college. For the youngsters ,fans with tickets would get a free square pan meal deal everytime he threw over I think 300yrs. Usually nail it by halftime or 3rd quarter Far be it from me to question the quality of the current crop of quarterbacks, (I'm not on the field so who am I to judge), history has brought some fond memories. Reminded by a print of a painting of Todd Santos, "back to pass" hanging in my den, (thanks AB, another one, I hope, should still be hanging at Bully's East), I took on a bunch of Mormons the night he broke the NCAA passing record in Provo, (can you spell hip flasks in Cougar Stadium?). Living in SLC, at Rice-Eccles the night Kevin O'Connell QB'd the Aztecs to a victory over Utah. At halftime, my UTE friends were stunned at what was developing. (Sadly, probably never to see that again in my lifetime). But my best memory was weak armed, brilliant mind, Brian Russell quarterbacking State to the Las Vegas Bowl in 98'. Being replaced by strong arm, dim bulb, Jack Hawley the next year, he approached DC Gilbert to convert to defense. He ultimately parlayed a successful season at DB to a seven year stint in the NFL. Not the best QB, but my proudest Aztec story. The program had a succession of strong QB's back in the '70's, (including blue chip transfers), being lured by coaches whose reputations preceded them. (Sadly, I'll probably never see that again in my lifetime).
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Post by standiego on Oct 8, 2015 20:29:52 GMT -8
There have been some decent not Heisman style QB's coming out of G5 schools D.Carr .... But we do not know how to recruit or develop them at SDSU ( from 2010 and beyond is all that really maters , and Paramount is 2015 and beyond that matters ) Decide if we want to be a QB school or not and start working on the development of them if we want any opportunity to get into MW Championship game or a decent Bowl game . Being RB or FB U does not help , need to be QB U .
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Post by fisherville on Oct 8, 2015 21:07:05 GMT -8
There have been some decent not Heisman style QB's coming out of G5 schools D.Carr .... But we do not know how to recruit or develop them at SDSU ( from 2010 and beyond is all that really maters , and Paramount is 2015 and beyond that matters ) Decide if we want to be a QB school or not and start working on the development of them if we want any opportunity to get into MW Championship game or a decent Bowl game . Being RB or FB U does not help , need to be QB U .
Oh silliness, we don't need to just focus on QB's or RB's, or DB's or whatever. We obviously need a good QB too but that doesn't mean we shouldn't also focus on RB's. It is possible to have a good QB, RB (and HC) you know.
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Post by yamaneko on Oct 8, 2015 21:20:48 GMT -8
No Dan McGuire References?
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Post by aztec1990 on Oct 9, 2015 11:12:32 GMT -8
I thought Billy Blanton was as good/better than Lowry Billy was awesome. I used to play basketball with Billy, even at 5'11 he was a serious athlete. I feel the reason why our offense was better back than was we put every athlete we had on the offensive aside of the ball leaving our defense to be destroyed by everybody.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 9, 2015 11:27:08 GMT -8
We haven't had a good QB since David Lowry. Santos fed me during college. For the youngsters ,fans with tickets would get a free square pan meal deal everytime he threw over I think 300yrs. Usually nail it by halftime or 3rd quarter Billy Blanton... Best in the last 30 years. Look at his stats. Phenomenal.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Oct 9, 2015 11:38:43 GMT -8
In the last 10 years who had better stats as a QB at SDSU than Lindley? He was a four-year starter if I remember correctly. He threw for more yards than Santos I think. Santos' career record had existed for decades. So, fine, leave out the fact that he has played for the New England Patriots in the role of a backup. Who was better in the last 10 years? Coaching really helped Ryan L. I think K O'C was a better QB, but his teams were pretty poor. Perhaps the Katz kid might have been better, but he got hurt so early in the season, we can't really judge him.BTW, none that I've seen this season are on the list to choose from Wait...are we judging on pure specimen/intangibles and "what he could have been" or are we talking about production on the field? Sure, there may have been a QB at SDSU that had the intangibles and largest upside of any Aztec QB, but simply never produced or got his shot. We are talking about production on the field regardless or raw talent, regardless of who they were in high school and regardless who if they ever made it to the pros and who they became while there. We are talking about "Best QB in the Past 10 years". That means nothing else but production on the field. We are not talking about the best "Who could have beens", we are talking about the best Aztec QB in the past 10 years. There is no measure for that other than production on the collegiate field as an Aztec Qb. So, we certainly CAN judge Katz. He didn't make the list. We are talking about the whole package, not any one instance in time where they flourished and who looked the best during those moments.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 9, 2015 12:14:46 GMT -8
Coaching really helped Ryan L. I think K O'C was a better QB, but his teams were pretty poor. Perhaps the Katz kid might have been better, but he got hurt so early in the season, we can't really judge him.BTW, none that I've seen this season are on the list to choose from Wait...are we judging on pure specimen/intangibles and "what he could have been" or are we talking about production on the field? Sure, there may have been a QB at SDSU that had the intangibles and largest upside of any Aztec QB, but simply never produced or got his shot. We are talking about production on the field regardless or raw talent, regardless of who they were in high school and regardless who if they ever made it to the pros and who they became while there. We are talking about "Best QB in the Past 10 years". That means nothing else but production on the field. We are not talking about the best "Who could have beens", we are talking about the best Aztec QB in the past 10 years. There is no measure for that other than production on the collegiate field as an Aztec Qb. So, we certainly CAN judge Katz. He didn't make the list. We are talking about the whole package, not any one instance in time where they flourished and who looked the best during those moments. If you say on field stats and results then it's without question Lindley and it's not arguable based on the stats. You have to add in some room for potential and people's opinions to mix it up. That's like saying you can't include Evan Burns as one of the best players our BBall team has ever had, which IMO would be wrong
BTW Lindley would've been a hell of a lot better than he was during his senior year if he had any receivers whatsoever.
I think KO'C would be above Lindley though. Very accurate passer from what I remember and had great wheels and made good decisions. If he had help on offense his teams would've been MUCH better
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 12:24:26 GMT -8
Lindley and O'Connell were both very good QBs at the college level. They were good enough for us to have every bit amount the success as TCU/Utah/Boise/BYU if we had put a good enough team around them, or in KOs case, had competent coaching.
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Post by fightnaztec on Oct 9, 2015 12:24:51 GMT -8
We haven't had a good QB since David Lowry. I loved Lowery and those were exciting times, but Billy Blanton is arguably the best Aztec QB of all time. Blanton's stats: #1 and #3 all-time passer rating in a season. (Lowery not in top 10) #1 all-time passer rating in a career. (Lowery not in top 10) #1 all-time completion percentage in a season. #1 all-time completion percentage in a career. #7 all-time completions over a career. (Lowery not in top 10) #7 all-time passing yards in a season. (Lowery not in top 10.) #3 all-time passing yards in a career. (Lowery #6). #4 all-time total offense. (Lowery #6). #4 all time completions. #2 and #8 all-time in passing TDs in a season. (Lowery not in top 10). #3 all-time passing TDs in a career. (Blanton 67. Lowery 44). #4 all-time wins. (Lowery #7). #1 all-time consecutive 300 yard games in a season. #1 all-time consecutive 300 yard games in a career. Overall, Blanton threw 67 TDs against 25 INTs. Lowery threw 44 TDs against 28 INTs. And get this: Blanton has the lowest interception percentage of any Aztec QB for a season and a career. grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/sdsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/fb-14-records.pdfAgreed on this!
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Post by gamer2101 on Oct 9, 2015 16:07:26 GMT -8
So is it fair to say that the majority of the Qb's we've had since Lindley are pretty close to him in terms of skill set?
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 9, 2015 21:04:30 GMT -8
I'm going with DJ Gay or X Thames.
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Post by bearfoot on Oct 9, 2015 22:36:27 GMT -8
I'm going with DJ Gay or X Thames. X wins that one. I bet he could have been a fine QB.
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Post by tuff on Oct 10, 2015 8:18:40 GMT -8
Pretty pathetic he's the best we had in the last ten years. Anyone can run up the stats on the cupcakes we played and the majority of teams in the lowly MWC. I don't have the stats, but how did our quarterbacks fare against the P-5 schools, TCU, Utah and BYU? How many victories against these big boys? To me that's the mark of a great quarterback. I personally think the best QB ever was Brian Sipe. And I blame the coaching staffs, past and current, for not putting a top priority on recruiting a great quarterback year in and year out.
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Post by standiego on Oct 10, 2015 9:01:22 GMT -8
That is the problem . Both Lindley and Kevin O C were both mid level QB's at best, back ups NFL level . Same with all the other guys , you are naming . Time to live in the 2000's or 2015 and forward. Until we are able to get SDSU developing QB 's at a quality level for NFL ,we are not going to get decent QB's coming here and that is all that counts . It is QB game . Not smash mouth football . Even having Hillman, Muema, DP , .... have not produced MW championship teams.There have been decent QB's from other MW , AAC or MAC levels that get mentioned for the NFL draft .
The coaching staffs at SDSU even with Sipe (gone now )have not been doing a quality job of recruiting and developing QB's
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 10, 2015 9:15:56 GMT -8
I'm going with DJ Gay or X Thames. X wins that one. I bet he could have been a fine QB. DJ would be clock manager who would lead the team down the field to victory with last second td pass. X would put up big numbers running and passing as a dual threat and win all conference.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 10, 2015 15:18:08 GMT -8
For this year, I would take QK over the current QB depth chart.
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