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Post by redsuit on Oct 25, 2010 9:34:54 GMT -8
WTF happened to ball state?
lost only one regular season game 2008
won only one in 2009
currently 2-6
they didn't go downhill so much as drop off a cliff
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Post by Steve Aztec on Oct 25, 2010 19:48:45 GMT -8
I think one reason is that they miss Brady Hoke. There is no doubt losing Brady hurt.
But the real reason is that the cupboard is bare. I don't know how that happened after watching what Brady has done here.
I think Brady won at Ball State with a real good group of seniors that he and staff coached up.....saw the hand writing on the wall of how bad they were going to be at Ball State the following three years.....and bailed to San Diego State.
I am very glad Brady came here to San Diego State, but I can't think of any reason he would make that move from Ball State (especially being his hometown and where he played ball) for any other reason.
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Post by k5james on Oct 26, 2010 7:34:14 GMT -8
That will happen when you replace a very good coach with a proven failure as a head coach.
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Post by k5james on Oct 26, 2010 7:35:23 GMT -8
I am very glad Brady came here to San Diego State, but I can't think of any reason he would make that move from Ball State (especially being his hometown and where he played ball) for any other reason. The reasons have been listed countless times. Are you being willfully dense? |
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Post by Old School on Oct 26, 2010 8:19:13 GMT -8
They don't have Wellman.
Oldie Out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 9:34:56 GMT -8
WTF happened to ball state? lost only one regular season game 2008 won only one in 2009 currently 2-6 they didn't go downhill so much as drop off a cliff When you have Stan Parrish at the helm, 2-6 is as good as it gets. Very good OC; miserable head coach. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 27, 2010 17:07:14 GMT -8
I think one reason is that they miss Brady Hoke. There is no doubt losing Brady hurt. But the real reason is that the cupboard is bare. I don't know how that happened after watching what Brady has done here. I think Brady won at Ball State with a real good group of seniors that he and staff coached up.....saw the hand writing on the wall of how bad they were going to be at Ball State the following three years.....and bailed to San Diego State. I am very glad Brady came here to San Diego State, but I can't think of any reason he would make that move from Ball State (especially being his hometown and where he played ball) for any other reason. MONEY |
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Post by aztecron on Oct 27, 2010 18:17:55 GMT -8
I think one reason is that they miss Brady Hoke. There is no doubt losing Brady hurt. But the real reason is that the cupboard is bare. I don't know how that happened after watching what Brady has done here. I think Brady won at Ball State with a real good group of seniors that he and staff coached up.....saw the hand writing on the wall of how bad they were going to be at Ball State the following three years.....and bailed to San Diego State. I am very glad Brady came here to San Diego State, but I can't think of any reason he would make that move from Ball State (especially being his hometown and where he played ball) for any other reason. MONEY Moving from the MAC to the MWC wouldn't be reason? Did you really think it was a lateral move? That's absurd. *** edit when was the last time a MAC team was in a BCS bowl game?***Ball St was going to cut money from an already bare bones operation. Their Univ President was a non-athletic, academic fan. The other reason, in my opinion, is that Hoke and most of his coaches are not there anymore. Hello, newsflash, our coaches are good. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 28, 2010 8:18:38 GMT -8
Moving from the MAC to the MWC wouldn't be reason? Did you really think it was a lateral move? That's absurd. *** edit when was the last time a MAC team was in a BCS bowl game?***Ball St was going to cut money from an already bare bones operation. Their Univ President was a non-athletic, academic fan. The other reason, in my opinion, is that Hoke and most of his coaches are not there anymore. Hello, newsflash, our coaches are good. You seem to mistake what my comments means. MONEY means that Ball St. was not willing to upgrade facilities, nor pay his staff right. The MWC conference has a chance of going to the BCS, or at least getting a BCS bowl now and again. All that takes and means MONEY. I hope that is more clear.  |
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Post by aztecron on Nov 2, 2010 10:49:23 GMT -8
Moving from the MAC to the MWC wouldn't be reason? Did you really think it was a lateral move? That's absurd. *** edit when was the last time a MAC team was in a BCS bowl game?***Ball St was going to cut money from an already bare bones operation. Their Univ President was a non-athletic, academic fan. The other reason, in my opinion, is that Hoke and most of his coaches are not there anymore. Hello, newsflash, our coaches are good. You seem to mistake what my comments means. MONEY means that Ball St. was not willing to upgrade facilities, nor pay his staff right. The MWC conference has a chance of going to the BCS, or at least getting a BCS bowl now and again. All that takes and means MONEY. I hope that is more clear. No, I heard you loud and clear. It was my mistake in that I was refering to Saztec within your reply. My bad.  |
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Post by aztecinoz on Nov 2, 2010 14:07:04 GMT -8
That will happen when you replace a very good coach with a proven failure as a head coach. This. They tried to go coaching on the cheap and it cost them. Stan Parrish and the guys he brought in were not on par with what left. |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 2, 2010 20:29:47 GMT -8
I am very glad Brady came here to San Diego State, but I can't think of any reason he would make that move from Ball State (especially being his hometown and where he played ball) for any other reason. The reasons have been listed countless times. Are you being willfully dense? They don't have the players......Where are they? |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 2, 2010 21:19:51 GMT -8
They don't have the players......Where are they? Steve is right. To a great extent a coach is only as good as his players. If Hoke had left anything at all, the team would have won more than two or three games over two years. Not in EVERY case. |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 3, 2010 14:50:24 GMT -8
Moving from the MAC to the MWC wouldn't be reason? Did you really think it was a lateral move? That's absurd. *** edit when was the last time a MAC team was in a BCS bowl game?***Ball St was going to cut money from an already bare bones operation. Their Univ President was a non-athletic, academic fan. The other reason, in my opinion, is that Hoke and most of his coaches are not there anymore. Hello, newsflash, our coaches are good. Moving from the MAC to the MWC was pretty much a lateral move for a head coach (especially leaving your own school after a 12-1 season). The money on the move is pretty much lateral too. |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 3, 2010 14:51:45 GMT -8
WTF happened to ball state? lost only one regular season game 2008 won only one in 2009 currently 2-6 they didn't go downhill so much as drop off a cliff When you have Stan Parrish at the helm, 2-6 is as good as it gets. Very good OC; miserable head coach. Moving from a good coach to bad coach is not going to make 10 wins difference. The cupboard was bare. A good example is Chuck Long to Brady Hoke. Hoke is much better than Chuck Long, yet we went from 2 wins to 4 wins on the change. |
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Post by k5james on Nov 3, 2010 15:06:03 GMT -8
Moving from the MAC to the MWC was pretty much a lateral move for a head coach (especially leaving your own school after a 12-1 season). The money on the move is pretty much lateral too.  Jesus Christ Steve, are your eyes brown from all of the bull$#!+ you spew? The MAC to the MWC is a HUGE jump up. Who was the last time the MAC had a Top 15 team besides Ball State? How many BCS games have MAC teams been to? He DOUBLED his pay by coming here not to mention more than doubling the pay of his assistants. Then there's the facilities advantages, I could go on but obviously you don't care to retain anything that contradicts the horseshit you choose to spew. Christ Steve, give it an effing rest already. |
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 3, 2010 15:11:46 GMT -8
When you have Stan Parrish at the helm, 2-6 is as good as it gets. Very good OC; miserable head coach. Moving from a good coach to bad coach is not going to make 10 wins difference. The cupboard was bare. A good example is Chuck Long to Brady Hoke. Hoke is much better than Chuck Long, yet we went from 2 wins to 4 wins on the change. Hawaii went from zero wins to 9 wins and a bowl win, in one year when they hired June Jones. It was the same team, same starters. Also, installing your system takes longer than losing a system. Coaches do make a big difference. |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 3, 2010 17:51:36 GMT -8
Moving from the MAC to the MWC was pretty much a lateral move for a head coach (especially leaving your own school after a 12-1 season). The money on the move is pretty much lateral too. Jesus Christ Steve, are your eyes brown from all of the bull$#!+ you spew? The MAC to the MWC is a HUGE jump up. Who was the last time the MAC had a Top 15 team besides Ball State? How many BCS games have MAC teams been to? He DOUBLED his pay by coming here not to mention more than doubling the pay of his assistants. Then there's the facilities advantages, I could go on but obviously you don't care to retain anything that contradicts the horseshit you choose to spew. Christ Steve, give it an effing rest already. Why does this bother you so much? Are you ok? -The move from the MAC to MWC was not a huge move. Neither are BCS conf's. -The last time the MAC had a Top 15 team? Last year, Ball State. (No, you can't throw that one out. It happened) -Brady doubled his salary? I don't have the figures handy, but I don't think so. Not positive. And don't forget to throw in the cost of living in San Diego as to compared with Ball State. -He left a 12-1 team for a 2-10 team. That isn't even lateral.....That is - Lateral. Geez, don't get so personal K5. What is wrong with you? |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 3, 2010 17:52:35 GMT -8
Moving from a good coach to bad coach is not going to make 10 wins difference. The cupboard was bare. A good example is Chuck Long to Brady Hoke. Hoke is much better than Chuck Long, yet we went from 2 wins to 4 wins on the change. Hawaii went from zero wins to 9 wins and a bowl win, in one year when they hired June Jones. It was the same team, same starters. Also, installing your system takes longer than losing a system. Coaches do make a big difference. How did Hawaii fare the next year? I think they won 3 games. I think a better judge for this argument would be how did Greg McCakin do taking over for June Jones after his 12-1 and he bailed. McCakin won 7. He probably had players. Ball State had no players the year after their 12-1. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 3, 2010 18:50:05 GMT -8
Jesus Christ Steve, are your eyes brown from all of the bull$#!+ you spew? The MAC to the MWC is a HUGE jump up. Who was the last time the MAC had a Top 15 team besides Ball State? How many BCS games have MAC teams been to? He DOUBLED his pay by coming here not to mention more than doubling the pay of his assistants. Then there's the facilities advantages, I could go on but obviously you don't care to retain anything that contradicts the horseshit you choose to spew. Christ Steve, give it an effing rest already. Why does this bother you so much? Are you ok? -The move from the MAC to MWC was not a huge move. Neither are BCS conf's. -The last time the MAC had a Top 15 team? Last year, Ball State. (No, you can't throw that one out. It happened) -Brady doubled his salary? I don't have the figures handy, but I don't think so. Not positive. And don't forget to throw in the cost of living in San Diego as to compared with Ball State. -He left a 12-1 team for a 2-10 team. That isn't even lateral.....That is - Lateral. Geez, don't get so personal K5. What is wrong with you? I think K5's on his period Steve.  |
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Jesus Christ Steve, are your eyes brown from all of the bull$#!+ you spew?
