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Post by rebar619 on Jul 1, 2015 20:02:57 GMT -8
In short ... yes, SDSU is constrained by the limitations placed on the CSU by the UC. There are some work arounds regarding partnerships with law-schools, but what can be negotiated initially is that the CSU be allowed to offer an actual Pre-Law course of study. While no specific "pre-law" course of study exists at SDSU, the department of political science has a recognized tradition of support for students of any major who are law-school bound. Public law has long been one of the department's strengths, and we have for many years maintained a dedication to high quality teaching and research in both American public law and international law. The major requirements are sufficiently flexible to allow pre-law students substantial immersion in appropriate coursework. Political science is also home to SDSU's Pre-Law Society, and offers pre-law advising. The Society meets regularly to explore trends in the field, to host guest speakers and colloquia, and to provide information and experience to guide the process of selecting and applying to law schools.SDSU is allowed to enter into a Joint-JD agreement with a Law School and could very well invite schools such as Cal-Western or Thomas Jefferson to locate themselves on the Mission Valley Annex as part of an admission agreement for SDSU graduates. Our ability to expand our offering under the Joint-JD agreement is related to the relaxing of the constraints on a Pre-Law program at SDSU -- after all, under the terms of the CSU-UC division, we would still not "have" or "offer" a Law degree and SDSU graduates could still go on to UCs to finish their degree. Of course the same system could be applied to other partnerships like one with a school of architecture (Woodbury or NewSchool) to locate on a Mission Valley Annex for an admission agreement for engineering students. Veterinary Medicine, Medical or Dental offerings would be more difficult to pull off -- but if an opening presented itself to qualified schools in CA willing to locate a campus on the SDSU Mission Valley Annex to offer a Joint-MD, Joint-DVM or Joint-DDS under the same agreements, the only limiting agent would be the constraints on SDSU from offering the PRE-Programs in those fields. SDSU Pre-medical InformationPre-dental InformationPre-veterinary InformationPre-pharmacy InformationPre-podiatry InformationPre-optometry Information We don't need to get every discipline onto campus ... but if we could get a couple of them to locate a branch campus on the SDSU Annex -- Like Merritt College (Oakland) or Western University (Pomona) then it could be mutually beneficial. It would be best to start with the Law school though, as that is something that UCSD does not offer -- Medicine & Pharmacy will be more difficult and we could face some very real objections from the local UC. Vet school would be do-able with a blessing from UC-Davis, while there are already a couple of local architecture schools so that would probably be less of an issue for UCSD if SDSU were to pursue such a partnership. I like the thought, and I dont mean to bust balls here, but SDSU has to break off and stand on its own legs. This reeks of being half-assed. I hear where you are coming from on this, but to be taken seriously our university must have autonomy from a CSU system that is a leech on our resources and image. SDSU can and should move into being a peer of UCLA and Berkeley instead of Fresno and Fullerton. Otherwise SDSU will sit stagnant in the pool we inhabit.
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Post by rebar619 on Jul 1, 2015 20:05:24 GMT -8
My suggestion... - Schedule as many Big12 teams as possible for Home & Home series in Football & Men's Basketball, ASAP (offering 2-for-1s if needed). - When those schools visit SD, put on a massive "full court press" (pun obviously intended) directed at their 1. administration, 2. booster club leadership/influencers, & 3. fans in general. - It would have to be a joint effort coordinated between Hirshman's office, the Athletic Dept, Aztec Club & AFL, Alumni Assoc., & whomever else can/should be enlisted. LOVE this idea. With the current scheduling agreement we have with the PAC that same should be applied there. This is a fantastic proactive approach.
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 1, 2015 20:23:02 GMT -8
Of course the same system could be applied to other partnerships like one with a school of architecture (Woodbury or NewSchool) to locate on a Mission Valley Annex for an admission agreement for engineering students. Veterinary Medicine, Medical or Dental offerings would be more difficult to pull off -- but if an opening presented itself to qualified schools in CA willing to locate a campus on the SDSU Mission Valley Annex to offer a Joint-MD, Joint-DVM or Joint-DDS under the same agreements, the only limiting agent would be the constraints on SDSU from offering the PRE-Programs in those fields. SDSU Pre-medical InformationPre-dental InformationPre-veterinary InformationPre-pharmacy InformationPre-podiatry InformationPre-optometry Information We don't need to get every discipline onto campus ... but if we could get a couple of them to locate a branch campus on the SDSU Annex -- Like Merritt College (Oakland) or Western University (Pomona) then it could be mutually beneficial. It would be best to start with the Law school though, as that is something that UCSD does not offer -- Medicine & Pharmacy will be more difficult and we could face some very real objections from the local UC. Vet school would be do-able with a blessing from UC-Davis, while there are already a couple of local architecture schools so that would probably be less of an issue for UCSD if SDSU were to pursue such a partnership. I like the thought, and I dont mean to bust balls here, but SDSU has to break off and stand on its own legs. This reeks of being half-assed. I hear where you are coming from on this, but to be taken seriously our university must have autonomy from a CSU system that is a leech on our resources and image. SDSU can and should move into being a peer of UCLA and Berkeley instead of Fresno and Fullerton. Otherwise SDSU will sit stagnant in the pool we inhabit. Unfortunately, we don't have the financial resources to stand on our own (yet) so measured steps are the way to go ... what may seem like "half-assed" are the steps needed for the UC to sign off on any non-UC campus to offer a pre-law or other course of study -- whether we are part of the CSU or autonomous. The initial steps of Joint-Doctorate offerings and being allowed to offer Pre-law and other courses is a good first step, that will be complete when we can buy the law school and architecture school that are located on campus, thus dissolving the partnership and retaining the doctorate programs (either through autonomy or when the charter is re-written). Until then, it's the right first step.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 1, 2015 20:37:46 GMT -8
Since ESPN is really the one that has pushed the product of college FB I would take it to the bank if they are talking about it. The question for SDSU then becomes how do we fit in? After thinking about it a bit it perhaps the best case for us would be if the Big12 imploded and SDSU was pulled into a conference that included TCU and Baylor. It doesnt matter if it is a BOR or Big12rev2, those two teams have enough juice to carry a conference for a while, especially if BSU was in the mix as well. The option of being in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma seems weird. Sadly, I don't see OU and UT having any interest in a conference that would include SDSU. We've earned that distinction. For that matter, we can't assume TCU would be interested in giving State a pass any more than Baylor. (After all, TCU left State in the rear view mirror). The bottom line would be, what VALUE would State add to any conference. Now think hard about that one.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 1, 2015 22:42:11 GMT -8
I think that San Diego State is a great school and would be a valuable member of a stronger conference. But I'm still not convinced that the Big-12 is anywhere close to inviting West Coast schools. BYU I can see, since they are stronger over all than is SDSU and also geographically closer to the Big-12. BSU is great in football, but in general less attractive than BYU. What peeves me is talk that Colorado State might be invited. Still, the Rams are closer geographically and have done a lot with not much.
If the Big-12 expands, I still think that Cincinnati is the #1 candidate. Houston and Memphis are likely #2 and #3. BYU is less likely but not out of the question. SDSU? A long shot and only then if the Big-12 wants to plant it flag on the shores of the Pacific. In that case, wouldn't a second CA school be added? That would mean Fresno State. UNLV might be of interest except for the awful condition of their football program.
Best guess: We need to work on dominating the MWC, since joining a P5 conference is still a very long shot.
AzWm
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Post by fowl on Jul 2, 2015 7:42:30 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Jul 2, 2015 8:06:36 GMT -8
SDSU will only get in the Big 12 as the 15th or 16th school. SDSU will never be in the conversation for a 12 team Big 12.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 2, 2015 8:16:19 GMT -8
That's why merging with a current law school would be the preferred route, so as to eliminate (or at least reduce) the risk of over-saturating the local market. The goal would be to surpass USD as the premier law school in the SD area.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 2, 2015 8:39:46 GMT -8
Trying to start one definitely would be. However, purchasing Cal Western is another story. I'm not saying I'm heard that anything of the sort may be in the offing, just that if the opportunity presented itself, it would be a good move for SDSU.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 2, 2015 8:41:34 GMT -8
SDSU will only get in the Big 12 as the 15th or 16th school. SDSU will never be in the conversation for a 12 team Big 12. Maybe if some of us say that over and over again enough times, some here who so far haven't done so will finally get it.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 2, 2015 8:47:01 GMT -8
SDSU will only get in the Big 12 as the 15th or 16th school. SDSU will never be in the conversation for a 12 team Big 12. Maybe if some of us say that over and over again enough times, some here who so far haven't done so will finally get it. Sadly, in the past year, SDSU doesn't even get honorable mention, were the Big-12 to expand to 16 teams---with the exception of some rumors and prayers, on this board. Rocky Long and Jim Sterk have shrouded us in a new Cloak of Invisibility.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 2, 2015 9:13:42 GMT -8
LaMarcus Aldridge was reportedly highly unimpressed by the Lakers' free agent presentation. They laid out all the extracurricular stuff available to players in L.A. but he wanted "analytical" stuff, i.e., a breakdown of how besides signing him they expect the team to improve.
One of the kids who just verbaled to us said he was influenced by Eric Judge's comment that by playing at SDSU you're guaranteed access to "weather, water and women." I love the alliteration. However, it would be improved tremendously if it could be said that by playing at SDSU you're guaranteed access to weather, water, women and wins.
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Post by laaztec on Jul 2, 2015 9:48:32 GMT -8
Maybe if some of us say that over and over again enough times, some here who so far haven't done so will finally get it. Sadly, in the past year, SDSU doesn't even get honorable mention, were the Big-12 to expand to 16 teams---with the exception of some rumors and prayers, on this board. Rocky Long and Jim Sterk have shrouded us in a new Cloak of Invisibility. I am talking about a 16 team Big 12 with OU and Texas leaving for other conferences. SDSU's chance of getting into a P5 conference are very slim. Really a miracle needs to happen.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jul 2, 2015 9:48:50 GMT -8
I think that San Diego State is a great school and would be a valuable member of a stronger conference. But I'm still not convinced that the Big-12 is anywhere close to inviting West Coast schools. BYU I can see, since they are stronger over all than is SDSU and also geographically closer to the Big-12. BSU is great in football, but in general less attractive than BYU. What peeves me is talk that Colorado State might be invited. Still, the Rams are closer geographically and have done a lot with not much. If the Big-12 expands, I still think that Cincinnati is the #1 candidate. Houston and Memphis are likely #2 and #3. BYU is less likely but not out of the question. SDSU? A long shot and only then if the Big-12 wants to plant it flag on the shores of the Pacific. In that case, wouldn't a second CA school be added? That would mean Fresno State. UNLV might be of interest except for the awful condition of their football program. Best guess: We need to work on dominating the MWC, since joining a P5 conference is still a very long shot. AzWm If Houston is similar to SDSU's position where their games attract higher TV rating than most Big 12 games, then they may have a higher probability of receiving an invite. However, I doubt the league would further expand in Texas since the league is already Texas-centric. Nationally, it will appear as if they're not broadening their TV footprint.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 2, 2015 9:57:43 GMT -8
I think that San Diego State is a great school and would be a valuable member of a stronger conference. But I'm still not convinced that the Big-12 is anywhere close to inviting West Coast schools. BYU I can see, since they are stronger over all than is SDSU and also geographically closer to the Big-12. BSU is great in football, but in general less attractive than BYU. What peeves me is talk that Colorado State might be invited. Still, the Rams are closer geographically and have done a lot with not much. If the Big-12 expands, I still think that Cincinnati is the #1 candidate. Houston and Memphis are likely #2 and #3. BYU is less likely but not out of the question. SDSU? A long shot and only then if the Big-12 wants to plant it flag on the shores of the Pacific. In that case, wouldn't a second CA school be added? That would mean Fresno State. UNLV might be of interest except for the awful condition of their football program. Best guess: We need to work on dominating the MWC, since joining a P5 conference is still a very long shot. AzWm If Houston is similar to SDSU's position where their games attract higher TV rating than most Big 12 games, then they may have a higher probability of receiving an invite. However, I doubt the league would further expand in Texas since the league is already Texas-centric. Nationally, it will appear as if they're not broadening their TV footprint. On paper Houston may appear similar to us. But I believe that the Big-12 members and leaders probably perceive Southern California as an eroding market for football, with increasing popularity in the schools--and therefore young adults--for soccer. Texas/soccer? Not so much.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 2, 2015 12:25:18 GMT -8
Sadly, in the past year, SDSU doesn't even get honorable mention, were the Big-12 to expand to 16 teams---with the exception of some rumors and prayers, on this board. Rocky Long and Jim Sterk have shrouded us in a new Cloak of Invisibility. I am talking about a 16 team Big 12 with OU and Texas leaving for other conferences. SDSU's chance of getting into a P5 conference are very slim. Really a miracle needs to happen. I'm also counting on Kansas going to the B1G. Subtract those three it's a 7-member conference even assuming WVU doesn't also get added to the ACC. So assuming 7, which 9 would they consider in order to get to 16? Given that Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis and BYU would be virtual locks, that leaves 5 others from among the following possibles. From the eastern half of the country: Houston USF Maybe ECU From the western half: CSU Boise SDSU Maybe Fresno Maybe AFA Maybe UNM but not without huge football improvement Maybe UNLV but not without huge football improvement Best Short Term Scenario for SDSU: - ECU football regresses considerably - since it has nothing else to offer, the Bulls would then be out of the discussion
- The B12 determines that adding UCF didn't help its TV ratings at all because the SEC and ACC already control all of Florida
- If those things happened it would be huge because all additional expansion would be from the West
- Therefore, besides Houston, as a practical matter, the remaining 4 choices would most likely be CSU, Boise, SDSU and Fresno and/or AFA*, with UNM and UNLV having a puncher's chance
* Recall that both the B12 and Big East already spoke informally with AFA several years ago and AFA expressed no interest. The reported reasons were concern about football players getting too beat up in a bigger conference plus the potentially negative impact of additional travel on AFA's Oly sports participants.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 2, 2015 12:58:05 GMT -8
The B12 will not invite Houston for the same reason that the PAC12 will not invite us. ECU has no shot, at all.
Cincy makes sense as long as WVU remains in the league. If they ever left for the ACC then B12 would be reluctant to go up north again.
UCF, BYU, BSU, SDSU all have reasons to believe and reasons they may not make it.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 2, 2015 13:50:06 GMT -8
He may not be around a lot, but very few folks here know college football like the guy who calls himself fowl. According to fowl, Houston is in the B12's crosshairs.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 2, 2015 13:50:13 GMT -8
Since ESPN is really the one that has pushed the product of college FB I would take it to the bank if they are talking about it. The question for SDSU then becomes how do we fit in? After thinking about it a bit it perhaps the best case for us would be if the Big12 imploded and SDSU was pulled into a conference that included TCU and Baylor. It doesnt matter if it is a BOR or Big12rev2, those two teams have enough juice to carry a conference for a while, especially if BSU was in the mix as well. The option of being in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma seems weird. Sadly, I don't see OU and UT having any interest in a conference that would include SDSU. We've earned that distinction. For that matter, we can't assume TCU would be interested in giving State a pass any more than Baylor. (After all, TCU left State in the rear view mirror). The bottom line would be, what VALUE would State add to any conference. Now think hard about that one. Gym, nap, epiphany. It occurred to me that maybe we're looking at this backwards. Pick four teams for the PAC-12, Baylor, OU, TCU, UT, or.....the PAC-16 being the logical next step for what would be the first mega-conference. (And bad news for Utah, OSU, and WSU falling into an abyss, but I digress). Then the "watered down" Big12 would be looking for warm body replacements and that could include SDSU, (provided they have a stadium to play in). Big East part deux. I'm not saying this would be a good thing, just more of the new reality that be college athletics. At this stage of my life, college football is as interesting as women's soccer. (If I can't bet on it, I'm not interested).
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 2, 2015 15:22:29 GMT -8
I am talking about a 16 team Big 12 with OU and Texas leaving for other conferences. SDSU's chance of getting into a P5 conference are very slim. Really a miracle needs to happen. I'm also counting on Kansas going to the B1G. Subtract those three it's a 7-member conference even assuming WVU doesn't also get added to the ACC. So assuming 7, which 9 would they consider in order to get to 16? Given that Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis and BYU would be virtual locks, that leaves 5 others from among the following possibles. From the eastern half of the country: Houston USF Maybe ECU From the western half: CSU Boise SDSU Maybe Fresno Maybe AFA Maybe UNM but not without huge football improvement Maybe UNLV but not without huge football improvement Best Short Term Scenario for SDSU: - ECU football regresses considerably - since it has nothing else to offer, the Bulls would then be out of the discussion
- The B12 determines that adding UCF didn't help its TV ratings at all because the SEC and ACC already control all of Florida
- If those things happened it would be huge because all additional expansion would be from the West
- Therefore, besides Houston, as a practical matter, the remaining 4 choices would most likely be CSU, Boise, SDSU and Fresno and/or AFA*, with UNM and UNLV having a puncher's chance
* Recall that both the B12 and Big East already spoke informally with AFA several years ago and AFA expressed no interest. The reported reasons were concern about football players getting too beat up in a bigger conference plus the potentially negative impact of additional travel on AFA's Oly sports participants.
I am confused by the sentence highlighted in red. Were you commenting on two different schools in that one sentence, or did you mistakenly call ECU "the Bulls?" East Carolina's teams are called The Pirates. AzWm
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