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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 12:14:43 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 1, 2015 12:20:34 GMT -8
good find 2003.
This is sterks legacy. The dude could get a statue erected on campus.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 1, 2015 12:22:26 GMT -8
Another article that doesn't mention SDSU. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Jul 1, 2015 12:23:29 GMT -8
Its inevitable but not urgent as the article states. No one is leaving that conference til near the end of the media contract due to the grant of rights clause.
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Post by rebar619 on Jul 1, 2015 12:25:56 GMT -8
Since ESPN is really the one that has pushed the product of college FB I would take it to the bank if they are talking about it. The question for SDSU then becomes how do we fit in? After thinking about it a bit it perhaps the best case for us would be if the Big12 imploded and SDSU was pulled into a conference that included TCU and Baylor. It doesnt matter if it is a BOR or Big12rev2, those two teams have enough juice to carry a conference for a while, especially if BSU was in the mix as well. The option of being in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma seems weird. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 12:35:43 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following…
1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley
2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium
3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community
4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball
5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls
6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances
SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 1, 2015 12:41:42 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Sterk needs to drink coffee so he can close. 2 be a tenant of the Chargers at Mission Valley in a new stadium that can host championship games. 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Beat P5 schools all the time no matter what the scenario is and at any sport. SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years. I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! fixed. |
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Post by survalli on Jul 1, 2015 12:43:30 GMT -8
we should be inviting every President and AD member in the Big12 to San Diego...just not this week.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 12:47:13 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Sterk needs to drink coffee so he can close. 2 be a tenant of the Chargers at Mission Valley in a new stadium that can host championship games. 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Beat P5 schools all the time no matter what the scenario is and at any sport. SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years. I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! fixed. The Chargers already have one foot out the door and are preparing to bolt for Los Angeles. IMO San Diego State University will be better off without the Chargers in San Diego. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 1, 2015 12:53:04 GMT -8
2 be a tenant of the Chargers at Mission Valley in a new stadium that can host championship games. |
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 1, 2015 13:00:57 GMT -8
Since ESPN is really the one that has pushed the product of college FB I would take it to the bank if they are talking about it. The question for SDSU then becomes how do we fit in? After thinking about it a bit it perhaps the best case for us would be if the Big12 imploded and SDSU was pulled into a conference that included TCU and Baylor. It doesnt matter if it is a BOR or Big12rev2, those two teams have enough juice to carry a conference for a while, especially if BSU was in the mix as well. The option of being in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma seems weird. I highly doubt that Hair Thompson has what it takes to pull it off, but TCU, Baylor, TTU, Houston & BYU are definitely not Pac-12 targets so it is possible that 2-4 of those teams could fall into our laps. That would be a solid get for the MWC ... to add TCU, Baylor, TTU, Houston or BYU and go to the new 16 member format that would have been adopted by the SEC & B1G in picking apart the B12 would increase the value of the MWC and would establish a solid conference presence in TX as well as a challenger to Pac-12 superiority in the West. A conference with TCU, Baylor, Boise St, SDSU, Texas Tech, Utah St, CSU & Houston/BYU etc. could make a case as a pseudo-P4/5 in football -- while adding BYU & Baylor in basketball would raise the conference profile (same for baseball in adding any 4 of those 5 schools). |
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Post by standiego on Jul 1, 2015 13:13:52 GMT -8
As usual a President that is spouting off without some facts . He forgets B12 has been granted same rights for a 10 team conference as those with 12 . Could have a championship game at the end of the season with its top 2 teams . Right now a conference that has two divisions does not mean the best two teams are playing in the championship game. B12 can also state every team plays all the schools in the conference with 9 conference games . Not true in other conferences. What is the exit fee for a school to leave and money it leaves on the table as it goes . Right now Sooners seem to fall behind TCU , Baylor and very likely Texas . Texas has stated they prefer the conference the way it is now. TV deal is 10 years. Sooners could leave but are they tied with OSU ? Would guess the B12 watches what happens this year . If a B12 team gets in the playoffs or wins it all what will the OU President say then ?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 1, 2015 13:39:26 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley 2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball 5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls 6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! I think what you meant is the DECISION as to which additional schools will be admitted will be made in less than 10 years and with that I certainly agree. To put it another way, we have about 8 years to pick it up big time, beginning with 2015, the No Excuses season. 1 & 2. Not sure about the first but there sure are a lot of pundits who all of a sudden like CSU. Amazing what one double digit win season and the building of a stadium can do. 4. Hoops are of lesser importance than football and baseball even far less important, with everything else close to irrelevant; nevertheless, you're correct that they DO matter, at least collectively. 5. See my moniker. NOTHING would help us any more than winning a couple New Year's bowl games. 6. I think we're on the precipice of that. Might not happen this coming year but I see a Final Four within the net three seasons. |
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Post by rebar619 on Jul 1, 2015 13:39:56 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley 2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball 5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls 6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! I cant help but wonder if an item to add to your list that may be more important than most is for SDSU to break out of the CSU system. Until SDSU is allowed to open a law, vet, med, architecture,etc. school it will be difficult for us to break out of the stigma of being a part of the CSU system. Research dollars will have an inherent ceiling since we cant offer Phds, and more importantly SDSU will not be able to increase the alumni value. I am not buying into the "city-state" argument that is blasted on message boards (pun intended), but there is an academic prestige that must be recognized for inclusion with a P5 conference. Can anyone name a single P5 school that is under the same or similar ridiculous constraints imposed by the CSU system that SDSU is? |
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 1, 2015 13:43:28 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley 2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball 5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls 6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! I cant help but wonder if an item to add to your list that may be more important than most is for SDSU to break out of the CSU system. Until SDSU is allowed to open a law, vet, med, architecture,etc. school it will be difficult for us to break out of the stigma of being a part of the CSU system. Research dollars will have an inherent ceiling since we cant offer Phds, and more importantly SDSU will not be able to increase the alumni value. I am not buying into the "city-state" argument that is blasted on message boards (pun intended), but there is an academic prestige that must be recognized for inclusion with a P5 conference. Can anyone name a single P5 school that is under the same or similar ridiculous constraints imposed by the CSU system that SDSU is? Ah, somebody who has been reading along.  |
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 1, 2015 14:00:13 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley 2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball 5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls 6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! I cant help but wonder if an item to add to your list that may be more important than most is for SDSU to break out of the CSU system. Until SDSU is allowed to open a law, vet, med, architecture,etc. school it will be difficult for us to break out of the stigma of being a part of the CSU system. Research dollars will have an inherent ceiling since we cant offer Phds, and more importantly SDSU will not be able to increase the alumni value. I am not buying into the "city-state" argument that is blasted on message boards (pun intended), but there is an academic prestige that must be recognized for inclusion with a P5 conference. Can anyone name a single P5 school that is under the same or similar ridiculous constraints imposed by the CSU system that SDSU is? In short ... yes, SDSU is constrained by the limitations placed on the CSU by the UC. There are some work arounds regarding partnerships with law-schools, but what can be negotiated initially is that the CSU be allowed to offer an actual Pre-Law course of study. While no specific "pre-law" course of study exists at SDSU, the department of political science has a recognized tradition of support for students of any major who are law-school bound. Public law has long been one of the department's strengths, and we have for many years maintained a dedication to high quality teaching and research in both American public law and international law. The major requirements are sufficiently flexible to allow pre-law students substantial immersion in appropriate coursework.
Political science is also home to SDSU's Pre-Law Society, and offers pre-law advising. The Society meets regularly to explore trends in the field, to host guest speakers and colloquia, and to provide information and experience to guide the process of selecting and applying to law schools.SDSU is allowed to enter into a Joint-JD agreement with a Law School and could very well invite schools such as Cal-Western or Thomas Jefferson to locate themselves on the Mission Valley Annex as part of an admission agreement for SDSU graduates. Our ability to expand our offering under the Joint-JD agreement is related to the relaxing of the constraints on a Pre-Law program at SDSU -- after all, under the terms of the CSU-UC division, we would still not "have" or "offer" a Law degree and SDSU graduates could still go on to UCs to finish their degree. |
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 1, 2015 14:50:57 GMT -8
I cant help but wonder if an item to add to your list that may be more important than most is for SDSU to break out of the CSU system. Until SDSU is allowed to open a law, vet, med, architecture,etc. school it will be difficult for us to break out of the stigma of being a part of the CSU system. Research dollars will have an inherent ceiling since we cant offer Phds, and more importantly SDSU will not be able to increase the alumni value. I am not buying into the "city-state" argument that is blasted on message boards (pun intended), but there is an academic prestige that must be recognized for inclusion with a P5 conference. Can anyone name a single P5 school that is under the same or similar ridiculous constraints imposed by the CSU system that SDSU is? In short ... yes, SDSU is constrained by the limitations placed on the CSU by the UC. There are some work arounds regarding partnerships with law-schools, but what can be negotiated initially is that the CSU be allowed to offer an actual Pre-Law course of study. While no specific "pre-law" course of study exists at SDSU, the department of political science has a recognized tradition of support for students of any major who are law-school bound. Public law has long been one of the department's strengths, and we have for many years maintained a dedication to high quality teaching and research in both American public law and international law. The major requirements are sufficiently flexible to allow pre-law students substantial immersion in appropriate coursework.
Political science is also home to SDSU's Pre-Law Society, and offers pre-law advising. The Society meets regularly to explore trends in the field, to host guest speakers and colloquia, and to provide information and experience to guide the process of selecting and applying to law schools.SDSU is allowed to enter into a Joint-JD agreement with a Law School and could very well invite schools such as Cal-Western or Thomas Jefferson to locate themselves on the Mission Valley Annex as part of an admission agreement for SDSU graduates. Our ability to expand our offering under the Joint-JD agreement is related to the relaxing of the constraints on a Pre-Law program at SDSU -- after all, under the terms of the CSU-UC division, we would still not "have" or "offer" a Law degree and SDSU graduates could still go on to UCs to finish their degree. Of course the same system could be applied to other partnerships like one with a school of architecture (Woodbury or NewSchool) to locate on a Mission Valley Annex for an admission agreement for engineering students. Veterinary Medicine, Medical or Dental offerings would be more difficult to pull off -- but if an opening presented itself to qualified schools in CA willing to locate a campus on the SDSU Mission Valley Annex to offer a Joint-MD, Joint-DVM or Joint-DDS under the same agreements, the only limiting agent would be the constraints on SDSU from offering the PRE-Programs in those fields. SDSU Pre-medical InformationPre-dental InformationPre-veterinary InformationPre-pharmacy InformationPre-podiatry InformationPre-optometry Information We don't need to get every discipline onto campus ... but if we could get a couple of them to locate a branch campus on the SDSU Annex -- Like Merritt College (Oakland) or Western University (Pomona) then it could be mutually beneficial. It would be best to start with the Law school though, as that is something that UCSD does not offer -- Medicine & Pharmacy will be more difficult and we could face some very real objections from the local UC. Vet school would be do-able with a blessing from UC-Davis, while there are already a couple of local architecture schools so that would probably be less of an issue for UCSD if SDSU were to pursue such a partnership. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 17:30:55 GMT -8
GOR expires for the BIG XII in 10 years so you can bet expansion happens before then. So we have less than 10 years to start/complete the following… 1. Build an SDSU West Campus at Mission Valley 2. Build a 40,000 seat stadium 3. Continue to grow our fan base to the greater San Diego community 4. Continue to win MWC Championships in all sports; particularly football and basketball 5. Win BIG in football - New Years Day Access Bowls 6. Win BIG in basketball - Elite 8 and Final Four appearances SDSU has come a long way in just the last 10 years (in academics and athletics). I am confident we can take the next step in the next 10 years. Go Aztecs! I cant help but wonder if an item to add to your list that may be more important than most is for SDSU to break out of the CSU system. Until SDSU is allowed to open a law, vet, med, architecture,etc. school it will be difficult for us to break out of the stigma of being a part of the CSU system. Research dollars will have an inherent ceiling since we cant offer Phds, and more importantly SDSU will not be able to increase the alumni value. I am not buying into the "city-state" argument that is blasted on message boards (pun intended), but there is an academic prestige that must be recognized for inclusion with a P5 conference. Can anyone name a single P5 school that is under the same or similar ridiculous constraints imposed by the CSU system that SDSU is? I agree. I have mentioned this in other threads I think the academic perception of SDSU is a much bigger issue than many people here imagine. I could be wrong but I think it plays a more important roll than the perception of the football team. Sure the FB team needs to win but as I have said before if it were only about FB performance BSU would be a lock. They have done far far more on the FB field than any other non-P5 team for several years. I think if all other boxes are checked and the FB team is decent they take that over some school that wins 10/11 games a year but that's most of their resume. Just my opinion |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 1, 2015 17:49:01 GMT -8
My suggestion...
- Schedule as many Big12 teams as possible for Home & Home series in Football & Men's Basketball, ASAP (offering 2-for-1s if needed).
- When those schools visit SD, put on a massive "full court press" (pun obviously intended) directed at their 1. administration, 2. booster club leadership/influencers, & 3. fans in general.
- It would have to be a joint effort coordinated between Hirshman's office, the Athletic Dept, Aztec Club & AFL, Alumni Assoc., & whomever else can/should be enlisted.
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Post by standiego on Jul 1, 2015 18:31:28 GMT -8
do think most B12 teams, that played in the Holiday Bowl ( not sure how many schools that was ? plus TCU who was a MW team) had a very good time from their Administration on down to the fans .So maybe try to get an OOC game if they have room , B12 only has 3 a year for each team .
But bottom line expansion is a MONEY ,issue not education or ...... If it benefits B12 in the pocket book or the Networks , maybe . TV Money rules . Recruiting wise into CA , that is a coach issue , not sure Coaches get a vote .
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