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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 1, 2015 6:52:07 GMT -8
Mark Fabiani's & Chargers update on the stadium saga in San Diego as of July 28th. dehayf5mhw1h7.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/253/2015/07/31133309/San-Diego-Stadium-Update-PDF.pdfThere are so many hurdles to jump for the city to approve a stadium. EIRWorking back from October 15 – according to the City’s own schedule – the written EIR must be submitted for public comment by August 3rd – less than three weeks from when the City Council first appropriated money to pay for the EIR. CITY FINANCIAL PLANWhen the City completes its historically rapid EIR process, the City then apparently intends to propose to voters in a special election that they approve taking hundreds of millions of dollars out of the city’s General Fund to pay for the stadium. Polling data shows that just a small minority of voters in California would support devoting General Fund money to stadium construction. COUNTY FINANCINGIn the unlikely event the City’s voters approve this General Fund expenditure, the City will then rely on the County Board of Supervisors to match the City’s contribution. Unfortunately, the Board’s own formal, written policy says that there must be a countywide vote before any public money can be spent on a stadium, and there appears to be little sentiment on the Board to change this policy. LITIGATIONAssuming the City achieves an approved ballot measure and a reversal of the County Board’s position, the City plan is to defeat various lawsuits in court. CITY'S END GAMEIf at any point in this process the City’s plan fails – the voters disapprove the ballot measure, the County refuses to put in its share of the money over the next four appropriations cycles, the courts strike down the EIR or the Lease Revenue Bonds, then everyone would go back to square one on a new proposal. At that point, however, the Chargers will have lost out on their Los Angeles opportunity and will be facing an imminent lease expiration in San Diego in 2020.[/i] As I have said all along even in the unlikely event this stadium proposal gets on the ballot it will not get voter approval to use hundreds of millions of dollars from the general fund. And that is only the city. Any funds provided by the County for a stadium will also require a county-wide vote. If anyone actually believes the voters will approve these stadium funds in San Diego (particularly with how the Chargers have historically conducted business in this city) you have your head in the clouds with your Charger blinders on. And as Eric Grubman said ,"as to the specific points of view of the Chargers we (the NFL) don't speak for them we speak with them." www.mighty1090.com/2015/07/28/video-nfl-exec-vp-eric-grubman-on-his-meeting-with-the-city-of-san-diego/
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Post by AzTex on Aug 1, 2015 8:34:58 GMT -8
Let's say your wife asks you to build her a big, fancy, new house. You tell her that you can't afford it. However, you might be able to remodel your existing home.
She comes back later and tells you she's been seeing a couple of guys in LA who will build her that big, fancy, new house if she'll move up there and live with them. She gives you an impossible deadline to get the house built. She refuses to go to marriage counseling (negotiate) with you.
Why would you want her to stay?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 4, 2015 7:15:08 GMT -8
"Giants owner John Mara went on WFAN Sports Radio on Monday and said he believes there will be two NFL teams in Los Angeles for the 2016 season; Mara's comments are significant because he is one of six members on the NFL's Los Angeles relocation committee, headed by the league executive vice president Eric Grubman. As it stands, three teams are in the running to jump ship to Los Angeles. One of them is the Rams, who on Monday received a ruling from a judge that they can use city tax dollars to build a new stadium in St. Louis without needing a public vote, making it more likely the team stays put. Meanwhile, the Raiders and Chargers appear to be moving further and further away from working things out in their home markets. While San Diego continues to push for expedited environmental studies to get a vote in by January, the Chargers have said hey won't be a part of the process because they don't think it can legally happen. There hasn't been much progress in Oakland either, as it appears more and more likely the Raiders are headed out of town to build a proposed $1.7 billion shared stadium with the Chargers in Carson." 247sports.com/Bolt/Giants-owner-believes-NFL-will-have-two-teams-in-LA-in-2016-38540039
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Post by ab on Aug 4, 2015 11:08:36 GMT -8
Let's say your wife asks you to build her a big, fancy, new house. You tell her that you can't afford it. However, you might be able to remodel your existing home. She comes back later and tells you she's been seeing a couple of guys in LA who will build her that big, fancy, new house if she'll move up there and live with them. She gives you an impossible deadline to get the house built. She refuses to go to marriage counseling (negotiate) with you. Why would you want her to stay? LOL There's plenty of women available that you could go to after that while there's only 1 football team here. They leave I fear nobody ever will come here again. BIG DIFFERENCE!
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Post by aztecmouse on Aug 4, 2015 11:17:48 GMT -8
Let's say your wife asks you to build her a big, fancy, new house. You tell her that you can't afford it. However, you might be able to remodel your existing home. She comes back later and tells you she's been seeing a couple of guys in LA who will build her that big, fancy, new house if she'll move up there and live with them. She gives you an impossible deadline to get the house built. She refuses to go to marriage counseling (negotiate) with you. Why would you want her to stay? LOL There's plenty of women available that you could go to after that while there's only 1 football team here. They leave I fear nobody ever will come here again. BIG DIFFERENCE! You completely missed the point of his post. What he was trying to express was that many LOVE the Chargers, but the way the Chargers have been acting makes it seem like the love is unrequited. I used to want the Chargers to stay but now I think we're better off without them. Let them go.
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Post by AzTex on Aug 4, 2015 11:30:39 GMT -8
Let's say your wife asks you to build her a big, fancy, new house. You tell her that you can't afford it. However, you might be able to remodel your existing home. She comes back later and tells you she's been seeing a couple of guys in LA who will build her that big, fancy, new house if she'll move up there and live with them. She gives you an impossible deadline to get the house built. She refuses to go to marriage counseling (negotiate) with you. Why would you want her to stay? LOL There's plenty of women available that you could go to after that while there's only 1 football team here. They leave I fear nobody ever will come here again. BIG DIFFERENCE! First, you're taking my post too literally. Second, the Chargers are NOT the only team here. Did you forget where you were posting?
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Post by ab on Aug 4, 2015 11:41:26 GMT -8
LOL There's plenty of women available that you could go to after that while there's only 1 football team here. They leave I fear nobody ever will come here again. BIG DIFFERENCE! First, you're taking my post too literally. Second, the Chargers are NOT the only team here. Did you forget where you were posting? First, I didn't see any smilies Second, Pro and College = 2 different animals.
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Post by ab on Aug 4, 2015 11:45:53 GMT -8
LOL There's plenty of women available that you could go to after that while there's only 1 football team here. They leave I fear nobody ever will come here again. BIG DIFFERENCE! You completely missed the point of his post. What he was trying to express was that many LOVE the Chargers, but the way the Chargers have been acting makes it seem like the love is unrequited. I used to want the Chargers to stay but now I think we're better off without them. Let them go. I can't disagree about the way they've been acting. Fabiani is a Liar for Hire but.... If you go back to what Fabiani said and I posted a month or so ago, he said that whatever the Rams did the Chargers would be matching for the sake of the business. So the faster the Rams fill out the paperwork to move the Chargers would be there right with them. That's why this "news" out of St Louis and the non-vote of the financing to build a new stadium would seem to mean that the Rams might slow down their efforts to leave St L. If that's true, the Chargers might also slow down their efforts to match the Rams and this might just give San Diego more time to get their $#!+ together whether it's having a new stadium in MV or even downtown. We just have to look past whatever garbage comes out of Fibiani's mouth.
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Post by AzTex on Aug 4, 2015 11:59:44 GMT -8
First, you're taking my post too literally. Second, the Chargers are NOT the only team here. Did you forget where you were posting? First, I didn't see any smilies Second, Pro and College = 2 different animals. I didn't see any indication you were limiting your comment to just one kind of football team. You are posting on a college fan board.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2015 13:04:15 GMT -8
Unless Dodger Stadium will allow an NFL team to play there (not likely, since the Dodgers expect to be in the playoffs every year and wouldn't want to deal with a chewed-up field well into October), it appears only one team will have a place to play in LA on a temporary basis. According to SI, the StubHub Center has no intention of offering their facility to the NFL (as of now) to house a team temporarily. The Coliseum will only be allowed to host one NFL team, and no other LA facilities seem to be very interested.
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 4, 2015 13:18:03 GMT -8
Unless Dodger Stadium will allow an NFL team to play there (not likely, since the Dodgers expect to be in the playoffs every year and wouldn't want to deal with a chewed-up field well into October), it appears only one team will have a place to play in LA on a temporary basis. According to SI, the StubHub Center has no intention of offering their facility to the NFL (as of now) to house a team temporarily. The Coliseum will only be allowed to host one NFL team, and no other LA facilities seem to be very interested. Looks like its just the Chargers to the Coliseum then. The Raiders can play their home games in London this year.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2015 13:42:15 GMT -8
Unless Dodger Stadium will allow an NFL team to play there (not likely, since the Dodgers expect to be in the playoffs every year and wouldn't want to deal with a chewed-up field well into October), it appears only one team will have a place to play in LA on a temporary basis. According to SI, the StubHub Center has no intention of offering their facility to the NFL (as of now) to house a team temporarily. The Coliseum will only be allowed to host one NFL team, and no other LA facilities seem to be very interested. Looks like its just the Chargers to the Coliseum then. The Raiders can play their home games in London this year. It would really suck for the Chargers if the Rams are the ones in the Coliseum.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 4, 2015 14:11:44 GMT -8
Unless Dodger Stadium will allow an NFL team to play there (not likely, since the Dodgers expect to be in the playoffs every year and wouldn't want to deal with a chewed-up field well into October), it appears only one team will have a place to play in LA on a temporary basis. According to SI, the StubHub Center has no intention of offering their facility to the NFL (as of now) to house a team temporarily. The Coliseum will only be allowed to host one NFL team, and no other LA facilities seem to be very interested. Isn't Angel Stadium an option as well?
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 4, 2015 15:40:55 GMT -8
Looks like its just the Chargers to the Coliseum then. The Raiders can play their home games in London this year. It would really suck for the Chargers if the Rams are the ones in the Coliseum. Agree 100% and that's why the NFL will never approve the Rams to relocate. Glad you are finally starting to see it my way.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2015 15:45:22 GMT -8
It would really suck for the Chargers if the Rams are the ones in the Coliseum. Agree 100% and that's why the NFL will never approve the Rams to relocate. Glad you are finally starting to see it my way. Lol. Nah--I didn't say that.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2015 15:52:13 GMT -8
Unless Dodger Stadium will allow an NFL team to play there (not likely, since the Dodgers expect to be in the playoffs every year and wouldn't want to deal with a chewed-up field well into October), it appears only one team will have a place to play in LA on a temporary basis. According to SI, the StubHub Center has no intention of offering their facility to the NFL (as of now) to house a team temporarily. The Coliseum will only be allowed to host one NFL team, and no other LA facilities seem to be very interested. Isn't Angel Stadium an option as well? They may still be an option, just not a very good one. I thought I had seen an article where they said they weren't interested--apparently not. But I do know they are not too keen on the idea, as both the Dodgers and Angels shudder at the prospects of having to play on a field full of bad hops into October.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 4, 2015 16:16:02 GMT -8
This does create an interesting dynamic. Let's just assume there is only 1 venue for an NFL team to play temporarily in LA. It would seem that whatever team was approved to move to LA by the NFL would be using the facility (in this case the Coliseum). Assuming the NFL approved the Chargers and not the Rams they would be in LA first. Unless Stan plans on playing at a High School or Community College he would be forced to stay in St. Louis while he builds his stadium.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2015 16:18:09 GMT -8
This does create an interesting dynamic. Let's just assume there is only 1 venue for an NFL team to play temporarily in LA. It would seem that whatever team was approved to move to LA by the NFL would be using the facility (in this case the Coliseum). Assuming the NFL approved the Chargers and not the Rams they would be in LA first. Unless Stan plans on playing at a High School or Community College he would be forced to stay in St. Louis while he builds his stadium. And the same holds true for the Chargers. It should be quite interesting as to what the NFL decides.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 4, 2015 21:08:28 GMT -8
This does create an interesting dynamic. Let's just assume there is only 1 venue for an NFL team to play temporarily in LA. It would seem that whatever team was approved to move to LA by the NFL would be using the facility (in this case the Coliseum). Assuming the NFL approved the Chargers and not the Rams they would be in LA first. Unless Stan plans on playing at a High School or Community College he would be forced to stay in St. Louis while he builds his stadium. And the same holds true for the Chargers. It should be quite interesting as to what the NFL decides. True. So long as the Chargers move off the Q site for downtown or out of town I don't care what they do. Preferably out of town. And the sooner the better.
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Post by aztecbolt on Aug 4, 2015 21:41:59 GMT -8
This does create an interesting dynamic. Let's just assume there is only 1 venue for an NFL team to play temporarily in LA. It would seem that whatever team was approved to move to LA by the NFL would be using the facility (in this case the Coliseum). Assuming the NFL approved the Chargers and not the Rams they would be in LA first. Unless Stan plans on playing at a High School or Community College he would be forced to stay in St. Louis while he builds his stadium. There is no way the NFL will allow a lame duck team to play in their current city. With no venue willing to open up to the NFL aside from the Coliseum, it's almost certain that it's going to be one team or no team in LA next year. Two teams at once, never really made any sense anyway.
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