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Post by AztecBill on May 27, 2015 11:49:36 GMT -8
With a new stadium competing in the Big 12, the Aztecs could easily average over 50K, assuming the team is marginally competitive.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on May 27, 2015 12:05:38 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is expanding at this time.
Better chance to create a new conference. So from the schools referenced "UCF, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Colorado State and maybe Memphis", add UNLV and 2 more. This would allow for a conference championship game and a new TV contract.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on May 27, 2015 12:06:49 GMT -8
With a new stadium competing in the Big 12, the Aztecs could easily average over 50K, assuming the team is marginally competitive. Or without the Chargers in town, SDSU will be the only choice. |
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Post by aztech on May 27, 2015 12:09:05 GMT -8
It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. Agreed. A lot of the casual fans are just looking for excuses & had we beat UNC or OSU those same casual fans would just use another excuse not to go. We beat UNC and lose to OSU on the road, people would just say "but it's just UNLV" or "but we can't even beat OSU" come the next home game. If we lose to UNC & beat OSU, it'd just be "but it's just UNLV" or "it's just OSU we beat". The fact we lost to both just means WHY they don't support the team changes. Nothing more. You might get a little larger student & walk-up crowd, but nothing significant.
I'm sure if we beat PSU or Cal people would still bitch & moan & whine about playing Fresno at 7:30 at night or Utah State ("because it's Friday night & traffic.....").
People thrive on complaints and excuses NOT to support the team. We need more "real" fans.
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 12:23:58 GMT -8
Agreed. A lot of the casual fans are just looking for excuses & had we beat UNC or OSU those same casual fans would just use another excuse not to go. We beat UNC and lose to OSU on the road, people would just say "but it's just UNLV" or "but we can't even beat OSU" come the next home game. If we lose to UNC & beat OSU, it'd just be "but it's just UNLV" or "it's just OSU we beat". The fact we lost to both just means WHY they don't support the team changes. Nothing more. You might get a little larger student & walk-up crowd, but nothing significant.
I'm sure if we beat PSU or Cal people would still bitch & moan & whine about playing Fresno at 7:30 at night or Utah State ("because it's Friday night & traffic.....").
People thrive on complaints and excuses NOT to support the team. We need more "real" fans.
There's only one way to prove whether your point is valid and we all know what that is. True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
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Post by AztecBill on May 27, 2015 12:34:11 GMT -8
There's only one way to prove whether your point is valid and we all know what that is. True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
Winning builds a following. It is not a straight line occurrence. Basketball became good and people noticed and paid attention, but the attendance really didn't jump until that was added to a magic season. Football can have that type of jump. The equivalent to the 2010 basketball OOC would be beating Penn State and Cal. That could be a catalyst for a huge jump in attendance, because the Aztecs have people at least paying attention now. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 12:42:37 GMT -8
By huge we mean going from the low 30's to low 40's right? That's about where I see our peak in the MW conference.
BTW I def agree, winning will increase attendance numbers...just not to the extent some are pretending it should.
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Post by aztech on May 27, 2015 13:02:57 GMT -8
There's only one way to prove whether your point is valid and we all know what that is. True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
You're right Doug they had every reason to draw a big crowd, but outside of BSU that's a sign that the MWC games don't move the needle. If they were supplemented by periodic P5 OOC and bowl wins that might stir attendance. It's a measurement beyond the MWC. However unless that actually happens it's only an assumption, pro or con.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 27, 2015 13:06:31 GMT -8
It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. I think your point is valid. The only thing I would contend with is a victory at UNC or OSU would have been a much bigger deal than beating a lousy WSU team at home. For those that are going to care, they see the difference between a quality win and not - as subjective a qualifier as that is. IMO SDSU is capable of averaging in the low 40s with 10 win seasons in the MWC. Should we move up in weight class attendance in the 50s is not an unreasonable expectation. I agree. 40,000 is what we can do in the MWC with 50,000 if we move up in weight class. Something similar to what East Carolina Unuversity Pirates draw in the AAC. When SDSU builds a stadium I would like to see 40,000 seats that could be expanded if needed to 50,000 seats. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 13:26:45 GMT -8
True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
Winning builds a following. It is not a straight line occurrence. Basketball became good and people noticed and paid attention, but the attendance really didn't jump until that was added to a magic season. Football can have that type of jump. The equivalent to the 2010 basketball OOC would be beating Penn State and Cal. That could be a catalyst for a huge jump in attendance, because the Aztecs have people at least paying attention now. Don't disagree, but the 2 prior years delivered 9 & 8 wins respectively, and the BSU was also a terrific "catalyst" for any true football fan. There were 51k for the Sky show a month earlier, and even 27k for a bad CSU team the home game prior to AF, which then drew a smaller crowd. Dwindling attendance despite a streaking team coming off 2 very successful seasons. So people were paying attention; just not showing up.
Plus, I believe if we split these 2 games the momentum will cancel each other out, even though winning just 1 would be a big accomplishment.
Yes, winning builds but so do excuses unfortunately.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 27, 2015 13:41:29 GMT -8
There's only one way to prove whether your point is valid and we all know what that is. True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
It's a fact that SDSU's tripping over our own feet early in the season always dooms us to poor attendance the rest of the way. In 2012, we choked away a win at home by allowing SJSU to dominate us on STs for three quarters and then to score 21 points on offense in the fourth. The result was a loss despite the fact we had almost double the time of possession that the Spartans had. Year after year there is optimism among casual fans that the Aztecs are going to have a breakout season but once we play that stupidly, such optimism is shattered. All of us who have followed SDSU football for 20-30 years (or almost 40 in my case) know that to be true. |
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Post by standiego on May 27, 2015 13:41:42 GMT -8
Best chance of B12 expanding is if they can get major money increase from the networks . the only matter is MONEY .
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 15:23:54 GMT -8
There's only one way to prove whether your point is valid and we all know what that is. True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
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Post by azteken on May 27, 2015 15:44:37 GMT -8
San Diego to: Ames Iowa - 5hrs Stilwater Ok - 6hrs Morgantown WV - 8hrs Just to name a few. I am pretty sure it takes 8hrs for SDSU to get to Laramie. The football team now flies directly to Laramie. The airport is about 5 miles from campus. An easy trip now. |
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 15:49:32 GMT -8
San Diego to: Ames Iowa - 5hrs Stilwater Ok - 6hrs Morgantown WV - 8hrs Just to name a few. I am pretty sure it takes 8hrs for SDSU to get to Laramie. The football team now flies directly to Laramie. The airport is about 5 miles from campus. An easy trip now. Unless it's snowing. |
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Post by azteken on May 27, 2015 15:54:14 GMT -8
Just my opinion, but the first 2 schools that would be added to the B12 (assuming it's present footprint) would be Cincinnati & Memphis Both are strong in basketball and football. They help to bridge the gap between Iowa St and WVU and bring 2 more states into the B12 orbit. Adding both Memphis and Cincinnati also gives the B12 some flexability, should the ACC try to poach WVU This would allow them to reintroduce divisions and a CCG. Memphis is NOT strong in football. They had a good record in 2014, going 10-3, but going back to 2010 they were 3-9, 4-8, 2-10 and 1-11. They averaged 1,445 more per game than we did last year. |
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Post by azteken on May 27, 2015 15:55:21 GMT -8
The football team now flies directly to Laramie. The airport is about 5 miles from campus. An easy trip now. Unless it's snowing. Which hasn't happened in a long time. And I think it's still 5 miles even in the snow.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 15:57:39 GMT -8
Which hasn't happened in a long time. And I think it's still 5 miles even in the snow. Think some are confusing BB with FB on this one...BB had a bad trip to WYO a few years back. |
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 15:59:54 GMT -8
Which hasn't happened in a long time. And I think it's still 5 miles even in the snow. But why should we? This is really a trip to nowhere, literally AND figuratively. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 16:28:46 GMT -8
True, but Spear gave a relevant example. We played UNLV in 2012 & drew 24k; we go on the road & beat a ranked BSU team & were sitting at 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference & riding a 5-game winning streak. We still managed to draw a whopping 30k for an Air Force team that was 4-1 in conference & also battling for the conference title. Was also our last home game of the year - senior day, and a win here & the next week against Wyoming meant a conference title and 9 wins during the regular season. Every reason in the world to draw a big crowd.
People love excuses.
It's a fact that SDSU's tripping over our own feet early in the season always dooms us to poor attendance the rest of the way. In 2012, we choked away a win at home by allowing SJSU to dominate us on STs for three quarters and then to score 21 points on offense in the fourth. The result was a loss despite the fact we had almost double the time of possession that the Spartans had. Year after year there is optimism among casual fans that the Aztecs are going to have a breakout season but once we play that stupidly, such optimism is shattered. All of us who have followed SDSU football for 20-30 years (or almost 40 in my case) know that to be true. Your post is exactly my point - EXCUSES not to attend. People love them & love to point fingers.
All the stats mentioned - 51k going to Sky Show; 27k for a bad CSU team before DROPPING to 24k for a good AF team; win on the road over Boise - came AFTER that loss. Plus, only 24k even came to the SJSU game, so MORE attended the next game (CSU), not fewer. People weren't jumping off the bandwagon due to that game; people didn't stop going to games after the SJSU loss.
The fan base simply didn't clue in after we had a big win, despite the fact we'd won 5 in a row & were playing for the conference title.
Hence why I don't think a win over PSU or Cal will significantly impact attendance during conference play. People will just use different excuses not to attend.
True & real fans will show up to support the team from Game 1 through the end of the season and are less impacted by results. They get that programs as successful as ours are rare; enjoy the fact we were 6-0 at home in '14; get that 2 of the most important games in '15 are at home; and appreciate the event of a football game. They attend because they know attendance impacts recruiting which impacts the record. We need more supportive fans and fewer making excuses for not attending.
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