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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:51:50 GMT -8
The chick on the commercial says they do, so it must be true.
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Post by TruAztec on May 25, 2015 16:59:01 GMT -8
The thread might have set a record for totally moving off topic with the discussion in very few posts. We are in mid-summer form and it is still May. Impressive.
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Post by Spud on May 25, 2015 16:59:21 GMT -8
The fact is, if I was an NFL owner the city I would be courting is San Antonio. Unlike the south, Texas is a state that has a passion for both college and professional football. And I could still attend a Charger game and Sea World.. 1. Jerry Jones has the power to block any other teams from moving to TX. 2. Sea World is an atrocity and needs to be shut down, ASAP. (if you don't understand, watch the documentary "Blackfish") Sea World has a far greater economic impact on SD economy than the Chargers...as a City we'd be in much worse shape if Sea World was gone...
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Post by AzTex on May 25, 2015 17:00:25 GMT -8
The chick on the commercial says they do, so it must be true. Sea World now has performing baby chickens? Now they have gone too far!
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Post by hoobs on May 25, 2015 17:04:30 GMT -8
Shut the entire place down? Should all the sea lions covered with oil be taken to your house for care? Yeah, blackfish was pretty biased in my opinion Of course it is. But it's also backed up by scientific research. Sea World claims that Orcas in captivity live just as long as in the wild... which is patently false.
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Post by HighNTight on May 25, 2015 17:05:18 GMT -8
I call it like I see it ... if the SD Zoo were forcing the lions to jump through hoops and dance on their hind legs I am sure there would be just as much outrage regarding the zoo. If the trees, grass and other natural affectations of the lions' spacious African Savannah habitat were reduced to it's old 20' x 40' steel cage there would be issues there too. Sea World is about 20 years behind the Zoo in regards to the treatment of their animals. Further to the point, the SD Zoo created the Safari Park to swap out the animals in the Zoo displays to give the animals even more space more often and to give them a change of scenery giving them the perception of expanded territory. I would like to see if Sea World would do even half as much for their animals. There is an argument against keeping any animal in any zoo or aquarium -- but Sea World has put the welfare of their animals so far below their profit motive that even the circus is looking better by comparison. To try and equate the welfare of the animals in the care of the non-profit San Diego Zoological Society and those in the care of the for-profit Anheuser-Busch Sea World Amusement Park is ridiculous. I know for a fact that the whales love to perform. Prove me wrong. Show me a quote from a whale that says so ...
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Post by SD Johnny on May 25, 2015 20:05:32 GMT -8
Is there a nature nerds forum for all the whale talk?
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Post by AztecSports95 on May 26, 2015 8:17:55 GMT -8
Yes, Natural environment displays. I'm sure the lions there love their natural environment displays. And maybe try not being such an a-hole with the "no hope for you" spew. I call it like I see it ... if the SD Zoo were forcing the lions to jump through hoops and dance on their hind legs I am sure there would be just as much outrage regarding the zoo. If the trees, grass and other natural affectations of the lions' spacious African Savannah habitat were reduced to it's old 20' x 40' steel cage there would be issues there too. Sea World is about 20 years behind the Zoo in regards to the treatment of their animals. Further to the point, the SD Zoo created the Safari Park to swap out the animals in the Zoo displays to give the animals even more space more often and to give them a change of scenery giving them the perception of expanded territory. I would like to see if Sea World would do even half as much for their animals. There is an argument against keeping any animal in any zoo or aquarium -- but Sea World has put the welfare of their animals so far below their profit motive that even the circus is looking better by comparison. To try and equate the welfare of the animals in the care of the non-profit San Diego Zoological Society and those in the care of the for-profit Anheuser-Busch Sea World Amusement Park is ridiculous. Just saying ...
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Post by HighNTight on May 26, 2015 8:37:16 GMT -8
I call it like I see it ... if the SD Zoo were forcing the lions to jump through hoops and dance on their hind legs I am sure there would be just as much outrage regarding the zoo. If the trees, grass and other natural affectations of the lions' spacious African Savannah habitat were reduced to it's old 20' x 40' steel cage there would be issues there too. Sea World is about 20 years behind the Zoo in regards to the treatment of their animals. Further to the point, the SD Zoo created the Safari Park to swap out the animals in the Zoo displays to give the animals even more space more often and to give them a change of scenery giving them the perception of expanded territory. I would like to see if Sea World would do even half as much for their animals. There is an argument against keeping any animal in any zoo or aquarium -- but Sea World has put the welfare of their animals so far below their profit motive that even the circus is looking better by comparison. To try and equate the welfare of the animals in the care of the non-profit San Diego Zoological Society and those in the care of the for-profit Anheuser-Busch Sea World Amusement Park is ridiculous. Just saying ... I'd be more inclined to support your contention of hypocrisy regarding the Zoo and it's use of Sea Lions if those animals weren't all over the beaches, docks and whatnot -- not sure I agree that the relatively tame Zoo show compares to the orca and dolphin shows at Sea World or the lion, tiger & bear acts of the circus ... but I concede that they are in the same category if not to the same degree. I suppose for arguments sake we can add performing horses, dogs, cats, parrots etc. to this conversation, but I still say they fall short of the use of larger mammals like whales, bears, dolphins and tigers. I guess there is a dividing line between domesticated animals, wild animals and a grey area in between to which sea lions, falcons and other semi-domesticated animals belong.
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Post by AztecSports95 on May 26, 2015 8:53:59 GMT -8
I'd be more inclined to support your contention of hypocrisy regarding the Zoo and it's use of Sea Lions if those animals weren't all over the beaches, docks and whatnot -- not sure I agree that the relatively tame Zoo show compares to the orca and dolphin shows at Sea World or the lion, tiger & bear acts of the circus ... but I concede that they are in the same category if not to the same degree. I suppose for arguments sake we can add performing horses, dogs, cats, parrots etc. to this conversation, but I still say they fall short of the use of larger mammals like whales, bears, dolphins and tigers. I guess there is a dividing line between domesticated animals, wild animals and a grey area in between to which sea lions, falcons and other semi-domesticated animals belong. Who draws that line? Who makes that choice? And even with domesticated animals .. Making a dog stand on its hind legs and prance around in a circle for a treat is ok by you? That certainly doesn't seem like "natural behavior". And, to get back to the point of this thread ... how would the dogs vote on a new stadium? Do Orcas care if the Chargers leave San Diego?
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Post by azson on May 26, 2015 8:58:34 GMT -8
I call it like I see it ... if the SD Zoo were forcing the lions to jump through hoops and dance on their hind legs I am sure there would be just as much outrage regarding the zoo. If the trees, grass and other natural affectations of the lions' spacious African Savannah habitat were reduced to it's old 20' x 40' steel cage there would be issues there too. Sea World is about 20 years behind the Zoo in regards to the treatment of their animals. Further to the point, the SD Zoo created the Safari Park to swap out the animals in the Zoo displays to give the animals even more space more often and to give them a change of scenery giving them the perception of expanded territory. I would like to see if Sea World would do even half as much for their animals. There is an argument against keeping any animal in any zoo or aquarium -- but Sea World has put the welfare of their animals so far below their profit motive that even the circus is looking better by comparison. To try and equate the welfare of the animals in the care of the non-profit San Diego Zoological Society and those in the care of the for-profit Anheuser-Busch Sea World Amusement Park is ridiculous. I know for a fact that the whales love to perform. Prove me wrong.
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Post by vision on May 26, 2015 9:04:23 GMT -8
The RAIDERS are a team without a home. NOBODY wants them.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 9:32:01 GMT -8
I know for a fact that the whales love to perform. Prove me wrong. The whale was just having a little fun. Nothing wrong with having a little fun. Whales love to perform. What I say is authoritative. No human being knows more than I about what Killer Whales think and feel, dolphins too. Prove me wrong.
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Post by aztecbb on May 26, 2015 11:17:03 GMT -8
Yeah, blackfish was pretty biased in my opinion Of course it is. But it's also backed up by scientific research. Sea World claims that Orcas in captivity live just as long as in the wild... which is patently false. There was more science used in the making of Nemo than there was in Blackfish. When was the last time PETA rescued anything (other than an aging starlett's career by posing naked for a billboard) ?
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Post by aardvark on May 26, 2015 14:53:29 GMT -8
I know for a fact that the whales love to perform. Prove me wrong. Show me a quote from a whale that says so ... I asked Shamu. He had no comment.
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Post by aardvark on May 26, 2015 15:08:38 GMT -8
The city of Oakland is almost near bankruptcy as business and people have fled for suburbia and other locales. Oakland is much closer to Stockton or Detroit than us Inaccurate. First of all, in case you haven't noticed, the fact the city of Detroit is in bad shape sure didn't stop it from building a state of the art baseball stadium nor is there anything wrong with Ford Field where the Lions play. As to Oakland, businesses aren't leaving. As an example, my friend's company is about to move from San Francisco across the Bay to Oakland because rents in SF are astronomical. For the same reason the price of housing has been increasing. However, Oakland's biggest problems have been mismanagement of the city and the school district, which for decades has been one of the worst in the state, and a terrible crime rate in the eastern half of the city. City government is therefore ill equipped to do anything at all to help build a stadium. Whether Alameda County can offer any assistance remains to be seen. San Diego would be in a much worse financial state if they had built (or were building) 3 arenas, 2 football stadiums, and a baseball park in 40 years as Detroit has done (or is doing). Of course, that's not all on the city of Detroit--the state of Michigan has a fairly large hand in the city's financial mess. 6 days after Detroit filed for bankruptcy protection, the state of Michigan approved the spending of taxpayer money for a new arena for the Red Wings in Detroit. Infrastructure? We don't need no stinking infrastructure!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 15:33:38 GMT -8
Show me a quote from a whale that says so ... I asked Shamu. He had no comment. Diva. I can tell you that one of the other whales said that he wants a little quality time with some of those seals they've been bringing in.
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