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Post by ab on Apr 27, 2015 14:13:48 GMT -8
So pretty much this Fan Focus Group is basically going to give the NFL the "scientific" poll they need to prove that San Diego won't be able to support the financing of a stadium through PSLs (and that LA will) ... and they may even get some quotes from fans to back up their assertions. They will establish the markets' financial devotion level to their team, the price point at which PSLs will be unsellable and the ability of the NFL to control the market. All this coming on the heels of the NFL changing their loan rules to remove the civic financial contribution requirement tells me that PSLs in general are not working in LA for the Chargers either ... Not really. Most people in the focus group said they would buy season tickets with some sort of PSL at a new stadium in S.Diego. Of course nobody signed a contract or provided blood. Out of the 20 or so people in my time slot, only 3 said they would ever attend a game in Carson/L.A. but two of those three lived up there anyway.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 27, 2015 16:48:04 GMT -8
Data from 2012 has the average PSL at $8444 ... that comes to $844 per year over 10 years The highest required donation (for those who don't already donate to the Aztec Club) is $175 per year
Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by saying they're the same ... when we compare and contrast the two -- one is for the benefit of Chargers -- while the other is for the benefit of ALL Aztecs Athletics and is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE.
A more accurate type of contrast of the required $175 donation per seat per year for the 1st Tier Club seats for the Aztecs would be compared to the Chargers highest PSL rate, which I understand to be approximately $12,000 or $1,200 per year for 10 years for the same 1st Tier Club seats (All Events Rights + Complimentary Parking Option) or $9,600 PSL for those same seats with the 20% discount (Chargers games only). This leads me to ask if the PSLs are sold for all events, are those seats not available for Aztec games unless released by the PSL holder?
I could be wrong, but the $2,500 PSLs for lower bowl endzone would be comparable to the lowest required donation of $25 per seat per year, but would probably be closer to the Aztec season tix that have no required donation at all for the lower bowl endzone.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 27, 2015 16:59:30 GMT -8
Are people still believing the Chargers could stay in San Diego?
The City and County should be switching to Plan B and building a new stadium for a professional soccer team and the Aztecs.
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Post by ab on Apr 27, 2015 17:31:31 GMT -8
Data from 2012 has the average PSL at $8444 ... that comes to $844 per year over 10 years The highest required donation (for those who don't already donate to the Aztec Club) is $175 per yearNot sure what you are trying to accomplish by saying they're the same ... when we compare and contrast the two -- one is for the benefit of Chargers -- while the other is for the benefit of ALL Aztecs Athletics and is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE. A more accurate type of contrast of the required $175 donation per seat per year for the 1st Tier Club seats for the Aztecs would be compared to the Chargers highest PSL rate, which I understand to be approximately $12,000 or $1,200 per year for 10 years for the same 1st Tier Club seats (All Events Rights + Complimentary Parking Option) or $9,600 PSL for those same seats with the 20% discount (Chargers games only). This leads me to ask if the PSLs are sold for all events, are those seats not available for Aztec games unless released by the PSL holder? I could be wrong, but the $2,500 PSLs for lower bowl endzone would be comparable to the lowest required donation of $25 per seat per year, but would probably be closer to the Aztec season tix that have no required donation at all for the lower bowl endzone. The person at the meeting was picking endzone lower level seats as his preferred seats. Those were showing $2k/seat hence the $20/ticket/game difference. How much is your mandatory donation for your basketball seats? It's quite obvious that State can't charge as much for football as basketball so use those if you want to. I use to pay $1k/year for my hoops ticket donations until I moved to an area that better suited my needs/ Besides your donation is NOT fully tax deductible. Not sure where you're getting the 2012 stats but quite frankly that's not useful. Compare what they are doing in Minnesota NOW if you want to make a fair comparison.
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Post by ab on Apr 27, 2015 17:32:23 GMT -8
Are people still believing the Chargers could stay in San Diego? The City and County should be switching to Plan B and building a new stadium for a professional soccer team and the Aztecs. You're not paying attention if you don't think they could.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 27, 2015 17:56:37 GMT -8
Data from 2012 has the average PSL at $8444 ... that comes to $844 per year over 10 years The highest required donation (for those who don't already donate to the Aztec Club) is $175 per yearNot sure what you are trying to accomplish by saying they're the same ... when we compare and contrast the two -- one is for the benefit of Chargers -- while the other is for the benefit of ALL Aztecs Athletics and is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE. A more accurate type of contrast of the required $175 donation per seat per year for the 1st Tier Club seats for the Aztecs would be compared to the Chargers highest PSL rate, which I understand to be approximately $12,000 or $1,200 per year for 10 years for the same 1st Tier Club seats (All Events Rights + Complimentary Parking Option) or $9,600 PSL for those same seats with the 20% discount (Chargers games only). This leads me to ask if the PSLs are sold for all events, are those seats not available for Aztec games unless released by the PSL holder? I could be wrong, but the $2,500 PSLs for lower bowl endzone would be comparable to the lowest required donation of $25 per seat per year, but would probably be closer to the Aztec season tix that have no required donation at all for the lower bowl endzone. The person at the meeting was picking endzone lower level seats as his preferred seats. Those were showing $2k/seat hence the $20/ticket/game difference. How much is your mandatory donation for your basketball seats? It's quite obvious that State can't charge as much for football as basketball so use those if you want to. I use to pay $1k/year for my hoops ticket donations until I moved to an area that better suited my needs/ Besides your donation is NOT fully tax deductible. Not sure where you're getting the 2012 stats but quite frankly that's not useful. Compare what they are doing in Minnesota NOW if you want to make a fair comparison. Let me see if I can be more clear for you -- the PSL for Chargers football tix, vs the required donation for the same seats for Aztecs football ... $2000 Chargers PSLs (20% discount for Charger games only, not All Events Rights) for lower bowl endzone seats vs $0 required donation for Aztecs season tix for lower bowl endzone seats 10 Charger home games does mean you can break it down to $20 per ticket (per year for 10 years) ... but you also have to buy 4 more tickets compared to the 6 Aztecs home games -- in any event the comparison would be to the $0 required donation. If you really need to bring Aztecs Basketball into the debate, then we'd have to bring NBA PSLs into the conversation -- then again only something like three NBA teams even have them. There are 15+ Aztecs Basketball home games per year, and a limited number of seats ... Maybe the Chargers should reduce the size of the stadium to 40K so they could justify the PSLs by limiting seats and artificially creating a market for PSLs. Perhaps this is the conclusion the NFL came to after the open air stadium focus group.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2015 18:24:13 GMT -8
Are people still believing the Chargers could stay in San Diego? The City and County should be switching to Plan B and building a new stadium for a professional soccer team and the Aztecs. You're not paying attention if you don't think they could. There is also a chance I could get struck by lightning or be attacked by a shark. For lightning it is around 1/700,000 and for a shark attack it is around 1/3.7 million. Since I live in San Diego and we don't get many thunder storms and I surf only a handful of days per year the odds are even greater. I would say the Chargers chances of getting a stadium built in San Diego are very similar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 18:41:00 GMT -8
Wait, so when ab was saying he's been a season ticket holder for over 20 years in previous threads...he was talking about chargers season tix...that adds up actually.
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Post by Spud on Apr 27, 2015 21:26:09 GMT -8
They're in trouble if they think View section people will pay for ANY PSL's... There was one guy in the group who said he wouldn't pay any PSLs no matter what. I responded that I have to pay a PSL or mandatory donation for both my Aztec football tickets as well as my hoops tickets annually. Would he mind if the ticket prices were raised and included the PSL/Surcharge in the final price? He didn't seem to get it. $2000 PSL to be paid over 10 years. $200/year or $20/game. Wowee! Yeah, I suppose you're right. I'd guess they'd charge interest to do that though...I think there are a lot of people in club seats and further down who won't be able to afford the fairly high prices they'll be charging for those seats. Who knows...
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Post by ab on Apr 30, 2015 10:54:52 GMT -8
Wait, so when ab was saying he's been a season ticket holder for over 20 years in previous threads...he was talking about chargers season tix...that adds up actually. 20 + each for Aztec basketball and Aztec football. As I said, (if only you could read) I haven't hard Chargers season tickets since Svare. I did own 4 Club tickets for the Falcons this past season for biz purposes and a deal the Falcons offered me that I couldn't refuse. And you?
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Post by ab on Apr 30, 2015 10:56:48 GMT -8
There was one guy in the group who said he wouldn't pay any PSLs no matter what. I responded that I have to pay a PSL or mandatory donation for both my Aztec football tickets as well as my hoops tickets annually. Would he mind if the ticket prices were raised and included the PSL/Surcharge in the final price? He didn't seem to get it. $2000 PSL to be paid over 10 years. $200/year or $20/game. Wowee! Yeah, I suppose you're right. I'd guess they'd charge interest to do that though...I think there are a lot of people in club seats and further down who won't be able to afford the fairly high prices they'll be charging for those seats. Who knows... yes, I would assume interest would be charged if you chose to pay over 10 years. I'm pretty sure you have Aztec hoops season tickets. How much is your "PSL" or mandatory donation annually? People will have to make choices, just as they are having to do with Aztec basketball ticket and donation increases. If you can afford it and enjoy it you keep them. If not, maybe you downgrade. No difference. Based on what I saw in the focus group, a midfield upper would have a similar PsL as a lower endzone.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 30, 2015 14:12:20 GMT -8
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I'd guess they'd charge interest to do that though...I think there are a lot of people in club seats and further down who won't be able to afford the fairly high prices they'll be charging for those seats. Who knows... yes, I would assume interest would be charged if you chose to pay over 10 years. I'm pretty sure you have Aztec hoops season tickets. How much is your "PSL" or mandatory donation annually? People will have to make choices, just as they are having to do with Aztec basketball ticket and donation increases. If you can afford it and enjoy it you keep them. If not, maybe you downgrade. No difference. Based on what I saw in the focus group, a midfield upper would have a similar PsL as a lower endzone.[/quote] The upper-upper deck? Otherwise, either the EZ is a ripoff, or the midfield upper is a good deal. Hell, I would still take an upper-upper over the endzone, although at that point is preferential.
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Post by retiredaztec on Apr 30, 2015 17:27:23 GMT -8
Are people still believing the Chargers could stay in San Diego? The City and County should be switching to Plan B and building a new stadium for a professional soccer team and the Aztecs. Yes, that's the ticket. As Conan O'Brien said last night, regarding the Camden Yard debacle, a professional team hasn't played in an empty stadium, "unless you count every professional soccer game in America". As far as a new stadium for Aztec football? Let's discuss this again on 11/29/15. The bottom line is if/when the Chargers leave San Diego will divest itself of any semblance of big boy football, until, well..forever. Gotta go, Charger pick is on approach.
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Post by Spud on Apr 30, 2015 20:27:18 GMT -8
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I'd guess they'd charge interest to do that though...I think there are a lot of people in club seats and further down who won't be able to afford the fairly high prices they'll be charging for those seats. Who knows... yes, I would assume interest would be charged if you chose to pay over 10 years. I'm pretty sure you have Aztec hoops season tickets. How much is your "PSL" or mandatory donation annually? People will have to make choices, just as they are having to do with Aztec basketball ticket and donation increases. If you can afford it and enjoy it you keep them. If not, maybe you downgrade. No difference. Based on what I saw in the focus group, a midfield upper would have a similar PsL as a lower endzone. If you break it down per home game, Aztec Club donation levels are a steal in comparison. That, and I don't have to put up with Raider fans!
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Post by ab on May 1, 2015 7:34:16 GMT -8
yes, I would assume interest would be charged if you chose to pay over 10 years. I'm pretty sure you have Aztec hoops season tickets. How much is your "PSL" or mandatory donation annually? People will have to make choices, just as they are having to do with Aztec basketball ticket and donation increases. If you can afford it and enjoy it you keep them. If not, maybe you downgrade. No difference. Based on what I saw in the focus group, a midfield upper would have a similar PsL as a lower endzone. If you break it down per home game, Aztec Club donation levels are a steal in comparison. That, and I don't have to put up with Raider fans! True on both counts.
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Post by ab on May 1, 2015 7:37:02 GMT -8
yes, I would assume interest would be charged if you chose to pay over 10 years. I'm pretty sure you have Aztec hoops season tickets. How much is your "PSL" or mandatory donation annually? People will have to make choices, just as they are having to do with Aztec basketball ticket and donation increases. If you can afford it and enjoy it you keep them. If not, maybe you downgrade. No difference. Based on what I saw in the focus group, a midfield upper would have a similar PsL as a lower endzone.[/quote] The upper-upper deck? Otherwise, either the EZ is a ripoff, or the midfield upper is a good deal. Hell, I would still take an upper-upper over the endzone, although at that point is preferential. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some people like being close and others like a higher view. I'd prefer the upper middle too. Lower rows in the upper deck, just like the lower View at the Q are "great" seats in my opinion. I use to have those for the Aztecs until they closed the upper deck. It's a great view of the whole field. I know many who sit in the lower level who like those. We use to sit there when we were students and from my perspective only the top 5 or so rows are worthwhile.
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Post by ab on May 1, 2015 7:39:43 GMT -8
The person at the meeting was picking endzone lower level seats as his preferred seats. Those were showing $2k/seat hence the $20/ticket/game difference. How much is your mandatory donation for your basketball seats? It's quite obvious that State can't charge as much for football as basketball so use those if you want to. I use to pay $1k/year for my hoops ticket donations until I moved to an area that better suited my needs/ Besides your donation is NOT fully tax deductible. Not sure where you're getting the 2012 stats but quite frankly that's not useful. Compare what they are doing in Minnesota NOW if you want to make a fair comparison. Let me see if I can be more clear for you -- the PSL for Chargers football tix, vs the required donation for the same seats for Aztecs football ... $2000 Chargers PSLs (20% discount for Charger games only, not All Events Rights) for lower bowl endzone seats vs $0 required donation for Aztecs season tix for lower bowl endzone seats 10 Charger home games does mean you can break it down to $20 per ticket (per year for 10 years) ... but you also have to buy 4 more tickets compared to the 6 Aztecs home games -- in any event the comparison would be to the $0 required donation. If you really need to bring Aztecs Basketball into the debate, then we'd have to bring NBA PSLs into the conversation -- then again only something like three NBA teams even have them. There are 15+ Aztecs Basketball home games per year, and a limited number of seats ... Maybe the Chargers should reduce the size of the stadium to 40K so they could justify the PSLs by limiting seats and artificially creating a market for PSLs. Perhaps this is the conclusion the NFL came to after the open air stadium focus group. How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec football tickets? How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec hoops tickets? Your assumption of 40k seats is totally out of whack. They're looking at around 62k.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 8:03:21 GMT -8
Wait, so when ab was saying he's been a season ticket holder for over 20 years in previous threads...he was talking about chargers season tix...that adds up actually. 20 + each for Aztec basketball and Aztec football. As I said, (if only you could read) I haven't hard Chargers season tickets since Svare. I did own 4 Club tickets for the Falcons this past season for biz purposes and a deal the Falcons offered me that I couldn't refuse. And you? I've been a FB season ticket holder since I walked in 07'(yeah I'm that much younger than you). Never for BB, too many games that I wouldn't be able to attend. My Freshman year was 01'. I went to just about every home BB game my first 3 years in school and I have a feeling even if you were actually buying BB season tix back then you probably werent going...unless you were 1 of the other 1 to 3 thousand at most of those games. For some one who has spent so much money on Aztec season FB tix over the years you sure don't seem to like the idea of the University improving your game day experience...how bizarre.
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Post by HighNTight on May 1, 2015 8:17:15 GMT -8
Let me see if I can be more clear for you -- the PSL for Chargers football tix, vs the required donation for the same seats for Aztecs football ... $2000 Chargers PSLs (20% discount for Charger games only, not All Events Rights) for lower bowl endzone seats vs $0 required donation for Aztecs season tix for lower bowl endzone seats 10 Charger home games does mean you can break it down to $20 per ticket (per year for 10 years) ... but you also have to buy 4 more tickets compared to the 6 Aztecs home games -- in any event the comparison would be to the $0 required donation. If you really need to bring Aztecs Basketball into the debate, then we'd have to bring NBA PSLs into the conversation -- then again only something like three NBA teams even have them. There are 15+ Aztecs Basketball home games per year, and a limited number of seats ... Maybe the Chargers should reduce the size of the stadium to 40K so they could justify the PSLs by limiting seats and artificially creating a market for PSLs. Perhaps this is the conclusion the NFL came to after the open air stadium focus group. How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec football tickets? How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec hoops tickets? Your assumption of 40k seats is totally out of whack. They're looking at around 62k. Dude, just stop ... you are not going to ever convince anyone that a PSL for the profit margins of a private company is anything close to a voluntary or mandatory tax-deductible donation to the non-profit Aztec Club for the benefit of student athletes. Just so you know, I was donating to the Aztec Club voluntarily long before I was able move back to San Diego and actually buy season tix ... would you pay for a PSL even if you didn't buy Chargers tix? As to a 40K stadium for the Chargers -- that may well be all they can afford to construct on their own using PSLs, naming rights etc, and no help from the taxpayer (LoL)
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Post by ab on May 2, 2015 8:56:54 GMT -8
How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec football tickets? How much PSL/mandatory donation do you pay for your Aztec hoops tickets? Your assumption of 40k seats is totally out of whack. They're looking at around 62k. Dude, just stop ... you are not going to ever convince anyone that a PSL for the profit margins of a private company is anything close to a voluntary or mandatory tax-deductible donation to the non-profit Aztec Club for the benefit of student athletes. Just so you know, I was donating to the Aztec Club voluntarily long before I was able move back to San Diego and actually buy season tix ... would you pay for a PSL even if you didn't buy Chargers tix? As to a 40K stadium for the Chargers -- that may well be all they can afford to construct on their own using PSLs, naming rights etc, and no help from the taxpayer (LoL) I've already stated, I'd pay for my share of any tax increase to build a new NFL Stadium. Typical, you just won't answer any questions. The subject of this thread is what happened at the Focus Group and not your assumptions. Nobody is going to convince you of anything since you seem to know everything. Nothing new.
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