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Post by aztecfan1 on Apr 19, 2015 7:07:27 GMT -8
www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/apr/17/college-football-playoff-four-teams-larry-scott/This is a good read from Stefanie Loh of the UT. I understand that many of you can't open the story. So, the Powers That Be in college football are less than interested in expanding the playoffs to eight teams. Their reason? It's now similar to college basketball model and should not be changed!! Does that make sense to you? It shouldn't because it doesn't. Stefanie says it's "hogwash". What's a another word to describe it? How about "greed."
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Post by standiego on Apr 19, 2015 7:22:10 GMT -8
Bottom line what they are saying . We can stay at 4 team playoffs ,.... unless the TV networks want to make it worth our while to expand to 8 . MONEY . Wonder what a P5 commissioner would say if their conference did not get their team in the 4 team version - two years in a row . Going to 8 teams , means adding only 1 week . if the TV audience is there , sponsors will pay the money and if schools get more money then maybe they may vote for it .
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2015 8:20:58 GMT -8
I would have no complaint---well little--if they would be honest about it, "No, because we really don't want to split up the pie more". Fine, that's easier to stomach than all the ersatz excuses.
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Post by aztech on Apr 19, 2015 15:01:57 GMT -8
Condoleezza Rice and Larry Scott are mere puppets expressing the company line. They're speaking in behalf of the NCAA, whose
influence is diminishing against the P5. In the grand scheme of things, the networks are the ones with the pull and the ultimate say.
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Post by junior on Apr 19, 2015 15:15:25 GMT -8
TV made the American Football League.
It can make the Pn.
What's missing is the wherewithal from ADs and university presidents to move in that direction.
ACAA has a nice ring to it… but why recreate the wheel.
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Post by standiego on Apr 20, 2015 11:27:02 GMT -8
If the TV networks double the money they will pay all the conferences to go from 4 to 8 teams , why would college football turn them down ?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Apr 20, 2015 12:15:11 GMT -8
One thing is good, this will put pressure on the Big XII (sic) to look at a playoff which comes from expansion. Without a playoff, they lose a last shot at impressing the voters deciding on which 4 teams from the 5 P5 conferences will get in the final 4.
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Post by aztecgold on Apr 20, 2015 13:56:36 GMT -8
Yeah, I wonder what the vote would be if OSU or Alabama got left out last year. LOL. Oh yeah, the fix is in so those schools will make it in. And of course this year they can say OSU deserved it since they got hot and won it all. However, who's to say TCU or Baylor would not have won it all if they had made it?
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Post by standiego on Apr 20, 2015 14:09:12 GMT -8
B12 is going to be allowed to have their Conference Champion with only 10 teams , is going to the rules committee to set it up so it passes . not sure if it goes into affect for 2015 or 2016 season . They are also going to change rules so a Conference can have their top 2 teams play in the Championship Game for its conference , does not have to be the top team in each division. In the PAC both teams could come from the North or South . Also Baylor and TCU are expected to be in the rated in the top 5 . Do not look for any expansion for B12 . Going from 4 to 8 team playoffs will come before any B12 expansion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 14:40:38 GMT -8
B12 is going to be allowed to have their Conference Champion with only 10 teams , is going to the rules committee to set it up so it passes . not sure if it goes into affect for 2015 or 2016 season . They are also going to change rules so a Conference can have their top 2 teams play in the Championship Game for its conference , does not have to be the top team in each division. In the PAC both teams could come from the North or South . Also Baylor and TCU are expected to be in the rated in the top 5 . Do not look for any expansion for B12 . Going from 4 to 8 team playoffs will come before any B12 expansion. This won't matter... Here's why...5 power conferences...4 spots. Expansion is inevitable...but they would have to be pretty dumb to come out for expansion after just the first year. IMO 6 to 8 years with the current format, then expansion to 8. The hardest part about this will be negotiating the new setup with bowls and the power conferences. As long as the expansion results in 3 at large births and 5 auto bids, the top G5 conferences and schools (MW, AAC, mix of top CUSA/MAC/SunBelt programs) will be saved and the doom and gloom will recede. If all 8 bids are somehow locked into P5 only, then the naysayers will finally have their day. |
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 20, 2015 14:49:21 GMT -8
B12 is going to be allowed to have their Conference Champion with only 10 teams , is going to the rules committee to set it up so it passes . not sure if it goes into affect for 2015 or 2016 season . They are also going to change rules so a Conference can have their top 2 teams play in the Championship Game for its conference , does not have to be the top team in each division. In the PAC both teams could come from the North or South . Also Baylor and TCU are expected to be in the rated in the top 5 . Do not look for any expansion for B12 . Going from 4 to 8 team playoffs will come before any B12 expansion. This won't matter... Here's why...5 power conferences...4 spots. Expansion is inevitable...but they would have to be pretty dumb to come out for expansion after just the first year. I'm think 6 to 8 years, then expansion to 8. The hardest part about this will be negotiating the new setup with bowls and the power conferences. As long as the expansion results in 3 at large birth and 5 auto bids, the top G5 conferences and schools (MW, AAC, mix of top CUSA/MAC/SunBelt programs) will be saved and the doom and gloom will recede. If all 8 bids are somehow locked into P5 only, then the naysayers will finally have their day. just wait until a single conference takes up more than 1 of the 4 spots ... leaving 2 (or possibly more) P5 conferences left out I agree it would be an admission of shortsightedness if they increased the playoffs to 8 teams after just 1 year -- nobody likes to admit they were wrong (at least not right away) an 8 team playoff with 5 auto-bids and 3 at large bids would be a logical next step ... it'd be bad optics if one of those at-large spots didn't to go to the top G5 team. 2 remaining at-large teams should be sufficient to satisfy independents and P5 conferences hoping to get more than one team in -- if all 8 were selected at-large, a conference like the SEC could get many more than 2 spots. That could cause dissent, even among the other P5s. |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Apr 20, 2015 20:59:11 GMT -8
B12 is going to be allowed to have their Conference Champion with only 10 teams , is going to the rules committee to set it up so it passes . not sure if it goes into affect for 2015 or 2016 season . They are also going to change rules so a Conference can have their top 2 teams play in the Championship Game for its conference , does not have to be the top team in each division. In the PAC both teams could come from the North or South . Also Baylor and TCU are expected to be in the rated in the top 5 . Do not look for any expansion for B12 . Going from 4 to 8 team playoffs will come before any B12 expansion. You missed the point. No championship game, no momentum for a vote. They'll be left out more than any of the other conferences and start to be considered the 5th of 5 conferences. That is a bad position to be in when the next connection comes. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2015 11:32:38 GMT -8
Believe the B12 can ( 2016) have a Championship game , between its top two rated teams and it will count as a true Conference Championship . If they have 1 or even 2 teams rated as top 4 .They will be in .
Also believe you are hoping if you think if or when they go to 8 teams , they will Guarantee a G5 team a spot . Why if they are not a top 8 team . So if the highest G5 team is say #25 , why guarantee them a spot. Going to need to earn their way in. They could increase a better bowl bid from 1 to 2 . Or give the G5 Conferences more money in the TV deal for the championship series . To also add insult would not be surprised to see P5 continues to drop G5 teams from its OOC , so they can not be in the top 10 rated teams . Right now PAC , B12 and BIG have 9 conference and 3 OOC games . Great to have a college champion in football . But if it involves money you can bet the P5 will do what it needs to do keep their teams in prime time situations . They have the leverage and doubt they will et it go .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 12:25:25 GMT -8
Believe the B12 can ( 2016) have a Championship game , between its top two rated teams and it will count as a true Conference Championship . If they have 1 or even 2 teams rated as top 4 .They will be in . Also believe you are hoping if you think if or when they go to 8 teams , they will Guarantee a G5 team a spot . Why if they are not a top 8 team . So if the highest G5 team is say #25 , why guarantee them a spot. Going to need to earn their way in. They could increase a better bowl bid from 1 to 2 . Or give the G5 Conferences more money in the TV deal for the championship series . To also add insult would not be surprised to see P5 continues to drop G5 teams from its OOC , so they can not be in the top 10 rated teams . Right now PAC , B12 and BIG have 9 conference and 3 OOC games . Great to have a college champion in football . But if it involves money you can bet the P5 will do what it needs to do keep their teams in prime time situations . They have the leverage and doubt they will et it go . Tell that to the crowd who says only the top 15 all time P5 programs are worthy of drawing interest. I would love for someone to take the time and see just exactly how many road games at a G5 opponent those programs have played in say, the last decade. I bet its a pretty low number. |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Apr 21, 2015 16:59:45 GMT -8
Believe the B12 can ( 2016) have a Championship game , between its top two rated teams and it will count as a true Conference Championship . If they have 1 or even 2 teams rated as top 4 .They will be in . Also believe you are hoping if you think if or when they go to 8 teams , they will Guarantee a G5 team a spot . Why if they are not a top 8 team . So if the highest G5 team is say #25 , why guarantee them a spot. Going to need to earn their way in. They could increase a better bowl bid from 1 to 2 . Or give the G5 Conferences more money in the TV deal for the championship series . To also add insult would not be surprised to see P5 continues to drop G5 teams from its OOC , so they can not be in the top 10 rated teams . Right now PAC , B12 and BIG have 9 conference and 3 OOC games . Great to have a college champion in football . But if it involves money you can bet the P5 will do what it needs to do keep their teams in prime time situations . They have the leverage and doubt they will et it go . You say "believe" a lot. You are still missing the point. Think critically, don't just buy the public statements then say "believe that...." The B12 is on soft sand with 10 teams and Texas/OU membership very tentative. 10 teams shows the other P5s that they have an easy way to any championship and they won't get the voters respect. I can't see them going to a championship with only one 10 team division. Why bother with the regular season when 20% of the teams automatically make the championship women in the other conferences they have to fight it out. They'll have to expand off they keep the,4 Team alignment. They can stay with 10 if they go to 8 yeam playoffs. And yes. There is no guarantee that an 8 team playoff ensures a G5 team gets in. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Apr 23, 2015 18:36:43 GMT -8
The current leaders in Div.1 college football are KNUCKLEHEADS, and it doesn't matter what they profess or think because there will be an expanded college football playoff! The sooner the better! You can mark that down, and put it in stone, gold, silver, or whatever you want. It will happen because the money is too great. Billions compared to the measley millions P5 teams are currently making. The playoffs will bring in so much $ on gambling, TV exposure, etc., they can't turn it down. Not to mention that it will make it much easier for teams in the G5 conferences to make it in the playoffs if they have a great season! They may think they are doing the prudent thing right now, but they are just being stubborn, and the lower divisions have already proved that a playoff works well indeed!  |
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Post by standiego on Apr 23, 2015 19:06:34 GMT -8
The CF leaders will play it coy . Say no thanks until the TV networks come up with something that makes all schools listen MORE MONEY to expand to 8 teams. More Money for All Conferences but do not expect the P5 group to go for anything that guarantees G5 conferences a guaranteed bid , unless they are rated a top 8 school . Why should they ? do you think the TV networks want to see a G5 team that is not rated in the top 10 schools , in the playoffs . There is no way a P5 conference would accept it ,if it meant one of their schools was rated higher but lost out to a team rated # 18 to 25 . The P5 has the leverage
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Post by tonatiuh on Apr 23, 2015 19:35:58 GMT -8
The CF leaders will play it coy . Say no thanks until the TV networks come up with something that makes all schools listen MORE MONEY to expand to 8 teams. More Money for All Conferences but do not expect the P5 group to go for anything that guarantees G5 conferences a guaranteed bid , unless they are rated a top 8 school . Why should they ? do you think the TV networks want to see a G5 team that is not rated in the top 10 schools , in the playoffs . There is no way a P5 conference would accept it ,if it meant one of their schools was rated higher but lost out to a team rated # 18 to 25 . The P5 has the leverage With all the stinkin' money they will be making on an expanded playoff schedule do you think they would care that much? They're imbeciles if they do! Besides, it happens every year in college basketball, MM! |
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