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Post by aztec619 on Apr 7, 2015 6:48:36 GMT -8
If you get the opportunity watch the replay his championship game . You will see he is a good PG Yes he will be a freshman but by the time we have reached the MW T . He could have played 30 games . Hopefully so will Zabo . who was a very good PG with his AAU team and in HS . Far superior to this years PG play - TK was brought in as a SG , it would help him and the team if he went back to his natural position and get back his shooting % , it was not good the last part of the season . Could be a reason why Fisher said we need a scorer , maybe let him just focus on scoring instead of also the duties of being PG .Also as the coaches have said this could be a very different offense hen we have had the last two years . There is no X or JJ . So hopfully a little more up tempo. Forward positions . First have the coaches talk with WS and DA to see if they are coming back . If they do , would guess they deserve an opportunity to be in the mix for decent PT . If not then MT could be in the mix . Not sure what to always expect from guys coming from he WCC , a conference that other then the Zags seems to favor Offense over Defense . WS is very athletic , could be effective if he choses to come back and really attack the basket , plays D , rebounds and is a great passer in an offense that pushes it . Zags seem to always have size down low to help their D. MP is a very good offensive player but still learning the D so the other forward better help out.. Not always easy to learn the Aztec D . WS , MP, ZC , DA all have been involved in it . What is DA going to do ? Could depend on how many forwards are in the mix . He seems to have value as a guy that can score gig to the basket and the lock down defender , on a SG or SF , against, BSU , FSU , USU, UNLV ,NM ,Kansas , Utah ,........ Another unknown for the Aztecs ZC whose red shirt season could help him a lot . Also what to do with BJ ? But a lot depends on what WS and DA are going to do ten build from there. Fisher played about 10 during OOC then it starts to get closer to 8 . Maybe I missed it somewhere Stan but did Allen say he was leaving? Cause you keep saying this and I dont see it anywhere.
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 7, 2015 8:08:16 GMT -8
If you get the opportunity watch the replay his championship game . You will see he is a good PG Yes he will be a freshman but by the time we have reached the MW T . He could have played 30 games . Hopefully so will Zabo . who was a very good PG with his AAU team and in HS . Far superior to this years PG play - TK was brought in as a SG , it would help him and the team if he went back to his natural position and get back his shooting % , it was not good the last part of the season . Could be a reason why Fisher said we need a scorer , maybe let him just focus on scoring instead of also the duties of being PG .Also as the coaches have said this could be a very different offense hen we have had the last two years . There is no X or JJ . So hopfully a little more up tempo. Forward positions . First have the coaches talk with WS and DA to see if they are coming back . If they do , would guess they deserve an opportunity to be in the mix for decent PT . If not then MT could be in the mix . Not sure what to always expect from guys coming from he WCC , a conference that other then the Zags seems to favor Offense over Defense . WS is very athletic , could be effective if he choses to come back and really attack the basket , plays D , rebounds and is a great passer in an offense that pushes it . Zags seem to always have size down low to help their D. MP is a very good offensive player but still learning the D so the other forward better help out.. Not always easy to learn the Aztec D . WS , MP, ZC , DA all have been involved in it . What is DA going to do ? Could depend on how many forwards are in the mix . He seems to have value as a guy that can score gig to the basket and the lock down defender , on a SG or SF , against, BSU , FSU , USU, UNLV ,NM ,Kansas , Utah ,........ Another unknown for the Aztecs ZC whose red shirt season could help him a lot . Also what to do with BJ ? But a lot depends on what WS and DA are going to do ten build from there. Fisher played about 10 during OOC then it starts to get closer to 8 . Maybe I missed it somewhere Stan but did Allen say he was leaving? Cause you keep saying this and I dont see it anywhere. Stanley is our stream-of-consciousness poster on perpetual auto-repeat. Pay him no mind.
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Post by standiego on Apr 7, 2015 8:28:45 GMT -8
I do not think any one said during the season they were thinking of transferring out . What I have said is that it is very important for coaches to be straight with the players in a conversation with the players about where the coaching staff sees them going forward . If there is open honest communication between the coaches and players most can handle it , Even is a situation /business where winning is paramount . Then there is the basic proof in the actions PT . Has the player earned it or how they fit in the rotation / coaches eyes . It seemed to me DA kept getting less and less PT . More went to MP , the better all around player and out side shooter . DA is a very good defender but DP came back and is also a good defender . To me DA could have helped defend in a key game BSU here on Marks ( DP did not play ) but he got little PT . Went to MS a shooter . At the end of the year seemed the coaches did not a place for DA to get PT . As the season winds down the bench gets shorter . So the starting 5( SS, WS, JJ, DP,AQ ) and basic reserves - ( AC MS, MP ).
There have been notes /rumors here and there about the squad going forward . Also the reality that if you are going to leave as a regular transfer , you sit a year ( still cost a school a scholarship , but then have the remainder to play and scholarship). So for an examples DA if he wants to transfer still would have 2 to play . If he stays and is on the roster , means he would only have 1 to play at another school , very unlikely to happen unless a school is very desperate unless you are a star player .
At the forward position JJ is gone, for the Aztecs going in to the 2015 season ZC and most likely MP are back , should get a good amount of PT . WS has not decided , if he does he also would get good amount of PT . That could be 3 forwards and the 4th spot for DA , but still a question of PT ? If WS does not come back there is PT but will the Aztecs bring in a grad transfer who can play right away ( Say MT ) . Also BJ comes in , is he a PF or C , or do they red shirt him ? So is DA satisfied or does he feel he may want to explore if there is an opportunity to play on another team . Aztecs also have another SF/SG coming in for 2016 .
Then there is his very good friend from HS , DW , at PG . Same thing there with the log jam at guard . JH added at PG so is DW KZ and some coaches still want TK there rather then SG. So do KZ and DW stay ? Neither saw much time last year . Again DW has the same time clock as DA . So it will be a major decision for both DA and DW . What is best for each of them .
I think DA is valuable for the Aztecs , he plays at both ends of the court to me would also benefit in a more up tempo style , since he can really use his athleticism on both ends of the court . Are we going to play more of an up tempo style and use 10 guys , only the coaches know. But he needs to make a decision on what is best for him . A lot to me depends on how many forwards are on the team going into 2015-16 and if the coaches honestly tell him where they see him in the scheme . Not just the basic no one has a starting job ,every one is in the mix and you earn your PT , as does every one . That means it is back in his lap to decide where that puts him going forward .
So no I am not trying to push DA out the door but rather being realistic, realize it could be a difficult decision for him to make . There are just so many scholarships and only so much PT . I hope he stays but it is his call .
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 7, 2015 10:49:12 GMT -8
I don't think you guys are trying, this thread is only 4 pages!
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Apr 7, 2015 11:21:39 GMT -8
I don't think you guys are trying, this thread is only 4 pages! No worries Fishy, Stan's trying to up page counts in single posts. God bless him!
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 7, 2015 15:16:59 GMT -8
From a lower tier WCC team to a top tier MWC team doesn't sound like much of a game changer to me. Much hype about Doolin last year for UNLV but the reality was that the athleticism just wasn't there when compared to MWC level competition. C'mon. He's Josh Davis with a jumper. And yeah, I know Josh was the CUSA player of the year his final season with Tulane but CUSA is no better than the WCC. And yeah, I also know that Tollefsen was not the WCC POY. However, this year's Gonzaga team was far better than anybody in CUSA during Josh's last season in Nawluns.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 7, 2015 15:20:49 GMT -8
Nolan Narain 6'10" PF/C , who has an offer from us or 2016 , was here for an official visit earlier in the year . May be looking , as posted by others , that he may be looking to reclassify to 2015 HS recruit. If so he should be our top priority for the last scholarship .Believe he was in Indy this weekend , since his HS is not far away. I'd have a hard time justifying passing over Narain for a 1-year grad student transfer, even one as good as Tollefsen. Granted, we don't know if Narain will/would pick us, but for the long-term perspective of the program I'd rather have Narain. I agree but Narain really should come in and redshirt. I mean, he will be all of 17 years of age when the season starts so however emotionally mature he might be, in order to maximize his skills, he could use a year to develop his body while running with the team in practice. If he's truly emotionally mature, he will get that.
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Post by standiego on Apr 7, 2015 18:28:34 GMT -8
Want to say I hope DA and WS come back , and, announce it as soon as possible . Both have to decide what is best for them . For DA and other players(KZ and DW) who are finishing their sophomore year or even freshman year , it is a better year to make a decision ,then to keep waiting to transfer . Article has been written about this in the UT after the season ended , so was not my revelation. .
Nolan Narain is a good HS player , better suited to play then BJ- who may need to RS . If NN can re classify that would mean he has taken and passed all his HS work . He is being recruited by other major BB programs. Also may have experience playing on Canadian teams. So would be ready to compete in college . Even if you do red shirt it counts as a scholarship so that does not solve the scholarship situation we would be at the max of 13 ,unless some one leaves. Would guess that news about transferring out IF there are any would come soon . Also WS has to make a decision by April 26. So we sit back and relax ,while things unfold .
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Post by fisherville on Apr 7, 2015 20:11:03 GMT -8
I'd have a hard time justifying passing over Narain for a 1-year grad student transfer, even one as good as Tollefsen. Granted, we don't know if Narain will/would pick us, but for the long-term perspective of the program I'd rather have Narain. I agree but Narain really should come in and redshirt. I mean, he will be all of 17 years of age when the season starts so however emotionally mature he might be, in order to maximize his skills, he could use a year to develop his body while running with the team in practice. If he's truly emotionally mature, he will get that. Josh davis had a much better junior year than tollefsen. And frankly the rebounding gap is huge.
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Post by MrPerfect on Apr 7, 2015 20:25:19 GMT -8
Roomer has it that Arizona is going after Mark Tollefsen. If a lot of their players leave early for the NBA then they will have a lot of scholarships open up.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 7, 2015 20:28:18 GMT -8
I agree but Narain really should come in and redshirt. I mean, he will be all of 17 years of age when the season starts so however emotionally mature he might be, in order to maximize his skills, he could use a year to develop his body while running with the team in practice. If he's truly emotionally mature, he will get that. Josh davis had a much better junior year than tollefsen. And frankly the rebounding gap is huge. The offensive gap... is also huge.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 7, 2015 20:29:16 GMT -8
Roomer has it that Arizona is going after Mark Tollefsen. If a lot of their players leave early for the NBA then they will have a lot of scholarships open up. Arizona, USC, Washington... we've got plenty of competition for his services.
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Post by fisherville on Apr 7, 2015 20:36:12 GMT -8
Josh davis had a much better junior year than tollefsen. And frankly the rebounding gap is huge. The offensive gap... is also huge. It actually isn't, but I prefer Davis's volume/usage combo to lower volume/higher usage of tollefsen.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 7, 2015 20:54:17 GMT -8
The offensive gap... is also huge. It actually isn't, but I prefer Davis's volume/usage combo to lower volume/higher usage of tollefsen. 7.7 ppg last year on 46% FG and 47% FT... with how many 'plays' called for him? He scored the vast majority of his points on put backs, transition buckets and FTs. Tollefsen's career: 54% FG, 38% from 3 and 70% FT Offensive gap... HUGE!
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 7, 2015 23:10:34 GMT -8
I'd have a hard time justifying passing over Narain for a 1-year grad student transfer, even one as good as Tollefsen. Granted, we don't know if Narain will/would pick us, but for the long-term perspective of the program I'd rather have Narain. I agree but Narain really should come in and redshirt. I mean, he will be all of 17 years of age when the season starts so however emotionally mature he might be, in order to maximize his skills, he could use a year to develop his body while running with the team in practice. If he's truly emotionally mature, he will get that. Heard tonight that Nolan wants to RS, which is why he's reclassifying. For some reason I have a good feeling about him coming here.
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Post by standiego on Apr 7, 2015 23:40:20 GMT -8
Have heard that NN may want to re classify to 2015 , but then why would he prefer to red shirt ? I would have no problem with him coming here and doing that , just seems strange unless he really needs the scholarship ASAP . Sign him up , key for us is when SS. AC and probably MP leave after next year . WS also if he comes back for his senior season.
Arizona has 4 top HS recruits , and the PF Anderson, transfer, coming in next year . Arizona also has other tops recruits they could pick up , as at least a few leave , including Stanley J-forward , their PG , HJ ? ,plus their center and PF Avery ? (also Winston's team mate from HS ) . So it will be interesting there. Washington also has some good recruits , USC two good HS forwards . So it could get interesting , as guys leave for the NBA , top 10 recruits make their decisions , transfer pick their spot , great game of musical chairs 9 start the music) for MT and other transfers.
So there should be plenty to talk about .
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Apr 8, 2015 9:57:07 GMT -8
Why would Dakari Allen transfer anywhere, he got minutes last year and will get more this year. Zeigler pointed out that D Williams maybe since he still has 2 years left and with Kell, Zabo and Hemsley his minutes probably won't go up next year (but I do like what I see from him).
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Post by fisherville on Apr 8, 2015 9:59:29 GMT -8
It actually isn't, but I prefer Davis's volume/usage combo to lower volume/higher usage of tollefsen. 7.7 ppg last year on 46% FG and 47% FT... with how many 'plays' called for him? He scored the vast majority of his points on put backs, transition buckets and FTs. Tollefsen's career: 54% FG, 38% from 3 and 70% FT Offensive gap... HUGE! Your reading comprehension is obviously lacking. I was comparing junior years.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 8, 2015 10:06:04 GMT -8
7.7 ppg last year on 46% FG and 47% FT... with how many 'plays' called for him? He scored the vast majority of his points on put backs, transition buckets and FTs. Tollefsen's career: 54% FG, 38% from 3 and 70% FT Offensive gap... HUGE! Your reading comprehension is obviously lacking. I was comparing junior years. Excuse me, kind sir, for my lack of reading comprehension. Now back to the point, Josh Davis was a liability on offense. The guy couldn't make a shot outside of 4 feet to save his life. Tollefsen, on the other hand, is an offensive threat from anywhere on the court. Career #s: 38% from deep, 54% overall FG, 70% FT. Are you honestly trying to compare offensive skills between A) Josh Davis, average distance of made FG was probably < 4 feet to B) Tollefsen, a guy who lights it up from deep?
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Post by standiego on Apr 8, 2015 11:05:41 GMT -8
Josh Davis was brought in as PF , for his ability to Rebound , play defense and score close to the basket . Emphasis on Rebounding on both ends , and getting most of his points on put backs. He came from a weak conference , so his scoring dipped when he came to the MW , a conference that plays better D then his former conference . Also had to play in the MW against Nance, Avila , twin towers at Lobo land , UNLV 's two quality guys down low .
MT played at USF in the WCC , he seems to be a good player , but the WCC is noted more for it offense more then defense . The Zags were the best team gave up 62 points per game , Aztecs gave up 54 per game . What would MT's stats be here in the MW , no one knows until he plays .
Coach Fisher usually says he is looking for guys that can "score the basketball" not just guys that can shoot from the outside . I would not mind if we played more up tempo basketball , getting to the basket quickly with guys that can finish with authority . That can be MP , ZC , WS and or DA if they are back , get SS involved , or MT if he is here . Rather then set shooters , other then MP . SG and PG 's heading toward the basket. An offense closer to the KL, MT, BW style .
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