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Post by uncledougy on Mar 29, 2015 19:31:35 GMT -8
One huge problem was the PG position, unless a nice 5th year transfer becomes available, we lose our only PG in AQ. So you are telling me it's all resting on the shoulders of a Freshman? How anybody could be so confident is surprising to me.
By the way, I hope DW wins that PG job, I believe he could be pretty good at it.
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Post by Den60 on Mar 30, 2015 7:53:05 GMT -8
One huge problem was the PG position, unless a nice 5th year transfer becomes available, we lose our only PG in AQ. So you are telling me it's all resting on the shoulders of a Freshman? How anybody could be so confident is surprising to me. By the way, I hope DW wins that PG job, I believe he could be pretty good at it. Right now we have both DW and Zabo with JH coming in. I don't write any one of them off. If we can get a 5th year transfer at guard I would not say no to that as well. Had we been better scoring the ball then perhaps DW would have seen more floor time. I think his and DA's time was muted largely because we needed to put more guys who could score the ball on the court. If WS and Pope both come back I think we should be pretty solid up front. We just need to get more athletic at the guard position, especially at the point.
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Post by dtay2004 on Mar 30, 2015 8:12:01 GMT -8
One huge problem was the PG position, unless a nice 5th year transfer becomes available, we lose our only PG in AQ. So you are telling me it's all resting on the shoulders of a Freshman? How anybody could be so confident is surprising to me. By the way, I hope DW wins that PG job, I believe he could be pretty good at it. So much doubt on Trey Kell at the point smh. He's going to prove a lot of people wrong next year
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Post by standiego on Mar 30, 2015 8:50:12 GMT -8
Except for local people . who like the hometown heroes We had very poor play at PG all season . TK is not a quality PG , please foe his sake let him go back to his natural position SG so he can be effective at shooting 3 's , regular FG's even FT's . The experiments at putting guys at PG who did not play there in HS did not work WS , AQ and TK . Watch some of the teams in MM , to see what we need at PG .
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Post by jdaztec on Mar 30, 2015 9:17:20 GMT -8
I agree and if we find a quality PG (i.e.. 5th year transfer/ then Hemsley ?) we may find we have high % shooters/scorers already on the roster.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 30, 2015 9:21:06 GMT -8
One huge problem was the PG position, unless a nice 5th year transfer becomes available, we lose our only PG in AQ. So you are telling me it's all resting on the shoulders of a Freshman? How anybody could be so confident is surprising to me. By the way, I hope DW wins that PG job, I believe he could be pretty good at it. So much doubt on Trey Kell at the point smh. He's going to prove a lot of people wrong next year He just seems better suited at SG. If he does surprise and plays well at PG, all the better. Personally, I think Kell will start the season as the starting PG, with Shrigley at SG. Who starts by the time we get to conference games?? Well, we'll see...
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Mar 30, 2015 9:40:07 GMT -8
Lots to figure out before next season as has been mentioned above. I usually put myself in the conservatively optimistic area in predictions so I think that IF WS and MP return, next season is a big success with a sweet 16 appearance (and icing on the cake with an elite 8). While we all would like to see a Final 4 this upcoming season, I just don’t see it happening due mainly to youth. I honestly don’t see the 2015-16 seniors and juniors on this team (as good as they are) more than very good role players with next year’s sophomores and freshmen (Kell, Pope, Cheatham, Hemsley etc.) as the catalysts to the program we have ultimately been waiting for. Now this is not to say this team won’t win, this team should win the conference and no less than 1 MM game each of the next couple of seasons IMO, but unfortunately we all expect WAY too much from these kids as FR and SO. These are not Duke and Kentucky freshmen who like Okafor have an NBA ready body and game coming into college, our FR and SO need time to develop which is why it was maddening during the season to read folks ripping players like Kell and Zabo, THEY WERE FRESHMEN! (mark my words, Kell is going to be a star at SDSU) You can already see next year’s expectations for Hemsley and Cheatham on this board, I say it’s a win for us if they can give us solid minutes off the bench to let a starter rest.
This is a very good program and it’s only going to get better, and I know it’s awesome to dream of Championship games, but I will temper my personal expectations just a bit for the next year or two while these kids mature which will make it all the more fun for me to watch.
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Post by dtay2004 on Mar 30, 2015 9:46:46 GMT -8
I've been saying this all off season. Trey Kell will be proving a lot of people wrong next year. He played the hardest position on the court to make a jump from high school to college. Being the main ball handler, you have a lot of responsibility. Learning when to get your own points vs when to get other players involved takes time. Remember people HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!! Trey Kell showed this past year he could create his own shot off the dribble, he also was pretty good at finishing at the rim. His main problem was adjusting to the speed of the game. Playing against better athletes makes you play faster and i feel like sometimes Trey rushed open shots(Duke game was a great example of this). Dealing with pressure from better athletes he was use to coming from high school bothered him at times. His handles need to improve but that's what an off season is all about, to improve on things you need to work on.
IMO Trey Kell is a pick and roll/pop type of point guard, something we couldn't really do last year because of our bad shooting. With Pope and Shrigley on the court with Kell next year, that should create more space for him to play his game.
I seem to be the only one on this board excited about Trey Kell next year and I don't know why that is. I really think he's going to be a star for SDSU
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Mar 30, 2015 9:54:18 GMT -8
I agree with you but I think his breakout year is as a JR, I think next year he will show improvement in all areas while he gains confidence and it all coming together in his JR year as he is able to make a real impact on a game.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 30, 2015 10:08:55 GMT -8
I've been saying this all off season. Trey Kell will be proving a lot of people wrong next year. He played the hardest position on the court to make a jump from high school to college. Being the main ball handler, you have a lot of responsibility. Learning when to get your own points vs when to get other players involved takes time. Remember people HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!! Trey Kell showed this past year he could create his own shot off the dribble, he also was pretty good at finishing at the rim. His main problem was adjusting to the speed of the game. Playing against better athletes makes you play faster and i feel like sometimes Trey rushed open shots(Duke game was a great example of this). Dealing with pressure from better athletes he was use to coming from high school bothered him at times. His handles need to improve but that's what an off season is all about, to improve on things you need to work on. IMO Trey Kell is a pick and roll/pop type of point guard, something we couldn't really do last year because of our bad shooting. With Pope and Shrigley on the court with Kell next year, that should create more space for him to play his game. I seem to be the only one on this board excited about Trey Kell next year and I don't know why that is. I really think he's going to be a star for SDSU You're definitely not the only one!! He was a typical talented FR this past year - very good at times (e.g. Maui all tourney, a stretch where he had 19 Assists & 7 TO's, a 18-20 from the FT line stretch, etc.), good often, and struggled at times while trying to play the toughest position for a FR to play. He has a terrific basketball IQ, and see him as a stat sheet stuffer, whether next year or the year after.
Biggest improvement is typically FR to SO year, so excited to see where he is next year. Would expect him to be somewhere in the starting line-up and if not, then definitely top 6-7 players just like this year.
Has a bright future.
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Post by csfoster on Mar 30, 2015 10:11:52 GMT -8
O.K. that was just a generalization of posts from last year that were very optimistic. I didn't mean to imply it was you. Sorry! We were right to be optimistic until Z did not play at all and Zabo disappeared in January.
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Post by dtay2004 on Mar 30, 2015 10:19:53 GMT -8
I've been saying this all off season. Trey Kell will be proving a lot of people wrong next year. He played the hardest position on the court to make a jump from high school to college. Being the main ball handler, you have a lot of responsibility. Learning when to get your own points vs when to get other players involved takes time. Remember people HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!! Trey Kell showed this past year he could create his own shot off the dribble, he also was pretty good at finishing at the rim. His main problem was adjusting to the speed of the game. Playing against better athletes makes you play faster and i feel like sometimes Trey rushed open shots(Duke game was a great example of this). Dealing with pressure from better athletes he was use to coming from high school bothered him at times. His handles need to improve but that's what an off season is all about, to improve on things you need to work on. IMO Trey Kell is a pick and roll/pop type of point guard, something we couldn't really do last year because of our bad shooting. With Pope and Shrigley on the court with Kell next year, that should create more space for him to play his game. I seem to be the only one on this board excited about Trey Kell next year and I don't know why that is. I really think he's going to be a star for SDSU You're definitely not the only one!! He was a typical talented FR this past year - very good at times (e.g. Maui all tourney, a stretch where he had 19 Assists & 7 TO's, a 18-20 from the FT line stretch, etc.), good often, and struggled at times while trying to play the toughest position for a FR to play. He has a terrific basketball IQ, and see him as a stat sheet stuffer, whether next year or the year after.
Biggest improvement is typically FR to SO year, so excited to see where he is next year. Would expect him to be somewhere in the starting line-up and if not, then definitely top 6-7 players just like this year.
Has a bright future.
You're right, I just needed to end my story with a strong closing statement lol. I think people see the potential in Trey Kell. He just didn't finish the season strong at the end of the season so people have their doubts. I definitely feel like Trey Kell can run the "Point Guard" position at a very high level.
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Post by standiego on Mar 30, 2015 11:11:25 GMT -8
TK should have a bright future as a SG . not a PG . He was brought in a scorer , not the latest experiment at PG that has not worked . WS , AQ then TK . by trying to learn the hardest position PG , it really brought down his scoring . FG % 33 , 3's 22% , FT 63 % . All near the bottom of the top 10 players except for SS/ AC .
He had ample opportunity but his scoring went way down as the season progressed , with ample opportunities . yes he is the local hero but let him share SG . Yes he and others will improve. We no longer have X , can we try to go from the slow down offense , ball screen/pick roll, to one where the athletic guys get out in transition and attack the basket with authority . Get the ball to MP , ZC ....
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Post by aztech on Mar 30, 2015 11:27:46 GMT -8
You're definitely not the only one!! He was a typical talented FR this past year - very good at times (e.g. Maui all tourney, a stretch where he had 19 Assists & 7 TO's, a 18-20 from the FT line stretch, etc.), good often, and struggled at times while trying to play the toughest position for a FR to play. He has a terrific basketball IQ, and see him as a stat sheet stuffer, whether next year or the year after.
Biggest improvement is typically FR to SO year, so excited to see where he is next year. Would expect him to be somewhere in the starting line-up and if not, then definitely top 6-7 players just like this year.
Has a bright future.
You're right, I just needed to end my story with a strong closing statement lol. I think people see the potential in Trey Kell. He just didn't finish the season strong at the end of the season so people have their doubts. I definitely feel like Trey Kell can run the "Point Guard" position at a very high level. I have doubts about him being a 1st rate PG. He's a SG and will likely be a damn good one if he doesn't have to flip flop from PG and SG. He lacks the quickness and nimbleness to be a PG and is too slow to get his shots off which is why he got blocked at times or called for charging, when driving to the basket. Even though he'll be more savvy as a soph I still think his skill set is made for SG, especially if we go up tempo as rumored. JMO
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Post by jdaztec on Mar 30, 2015 11:36:59 GMT -8
Agree. He can be an excellent SG if he gets the chance to play the position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 11:39:10 GMT -8
I really like Kell as a shooting guard. As a freshman and being put in the situation he was he did a great job. Fisher has said that he was saving that scholarship for a transfer and I think he will try to pick up a fifth year senior point guard.
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Post by The Honey Badger on Mar 30, 2015 11:59:54 GMT -8
We will either see a transfer pg starting for us or Jeremy Hemsley's being given an opportunnity tu run it. Zabo and D'Erryl lack upside and Trey Kell is no more than bench material at any guard spot.
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Post by dtay2004 on Mar 30, 2015 13:11:56 GMT -8
You're right, I just needed to end my story with a strong closing statement lol. I think people see the potential in Trey Kell. He just didn't finish the season strong at the end of the season so people have their doubts. I definitely feel like Trey Kell can run the "Point Guard" position at a very high level. I have doubts about him being a 1st rate PG. He's a SG and will likely be a damn good one if he doesn't have to flip flop from PG and SG. He lacks the quickness and nimbleness to be a PG and is too slow to get his shots off which is why he got blocked at times or called for charging, when driving to the basket. Even though he'll be more savvy as a soph I still think his skill set is made for SG, especially if we go up tempo as rumored. JMO He's defiantly not too slow to create his own shot, even the fastest guards get their shot block. His problem is he's a driver style guard on a team that doesn't have shooting to space the floor and empty the key. He has the speed, size and skill to be a scoring "point guard" in this Coach Fishers system. Put him on the floor with Shrigley and Pope while having Spencer set a high ball screen for him and scoring should come much easier for us then it did last year. Like all Freshmen he had his up and Down moments. When I think of a 2 guard i think of a catch and shoot player with occasional driving ability(Matt Shirgley) or a player that can score on the ISO and looks to score everytime down court with occasional passing ability if his shot isn't there(AQ). Trey Kell has more to his game then AQ and Shrigley. Similar to Malik Pope, it wasn't his time to lead the team. That wasn't his role. Next year will put more responsibility on his shoulders and he will be able to be more aggressive. Once again, HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!!! He will improve next year.
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Post by aztech on Mar 30, 2015 13:25:16 GMT -8
I have doubts about him being a 1st rate PG. He's a SG and will likely be a damn good one if he doesn't have to flip flop from PG and SG. He lacks the quickness and nimbleness to be a PG and is too slow to get his shots off which is why he got blocked at times or called for charging, when driving to the basket. Even though he'll be more savvy as a soph I still think his skill set is made for SG, especially if we go up tempo as rumored. JMO He's defiantly not too slow to create his own shot, even the fastest guards get their shot block. His problem is he's a driver style guard on a team that doesn't have shooting to space the floor and empty the key. He has the speed, size and skill to be a scoring "point guard" in this Coach Fishers system. Put him on the floor with Shrigley and Pope while having Spencer set a high ball screen for him and scoring should come much easier for us then it did last year. Like all Freshmen he had his up and Down moments. When I think of a 2 guard i think of a catch and shoot player with occasional driving ability(Matt Shirgley) or a player that can score on the ISO and looks to score everytime down court with occasional passing ability if his shot isn't there(AQ). Trey Kell has more to his game then AQ and Shrigley. Similar to Malik Pope, it wasn't his time to lead the team. That wasn't his role. Next year will put more responsibility on his shoulders and he will be able to be more aggressive. Once again, HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!!! He will improve next year. We will agree to disagree. I'm not sold on Kell improving his quickness, even if he loses some weight. He didn't have to be quick this year since the ball was directed to go through O'Brien, who wasn't exactly a speed demon himself.
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Post by dtay2004 on Mar 30, 2015 14:14:17 GMT -8
He's defiantly not too slow to create his own shot, even the fastest guards get their shot block. His problem is he's a driver style guard on a team that doesn't have shooting to space the floor and empty the key. He has the speed, size and skill to be a scoring "point guard" in this Coach Fishers system. Put him on the floor with Shrigley and Pope while having Spencer set a high ball screen for him and scoring should come much easier for us then it did last year. Like all Freshmen he had his up and Down moments. When I think of a 2 guard i think of a catch and shoot player with occasional driving ability(Matt Shirgley) or a player that can score on the ISO and looks to score everytime down court with occasional passing ability if his shot isn't there(AQ). Trey Kell has more to his game then AQ and Shrigley. Similar to Malik Pope, it wasn't his time to lead the team. That wasn't his role. Next year will put more responsibility on his shoulders and he will be able to be more aggressive. Once again, HE WAS A FRESHMAN!!!! He will improve next year. We will agree to disagree. I'm not sold on Kell improving his quickness, even if he loses some weight. He didn't have to be quick this year since the ball was directed to go through O'Brien, who wasn't exactly a speed demon himself. Yeah we can agree to disagree on this one, you don't have to be the quickest guy on the court in order to be effective. What he doesn't have in quickness he makes up for it in size and basketball IQ
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