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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 21, 2015 11:36:38 GMT -8
Rocky Long is Ted Tollner Redux. Until Ted seemingly retired on the job, he went 4-10 against P5 opponents. Rocky is now 1-6 against the P5s so I'm thinking he can possibly win 3 of his next 7 against them. Cal? Doubtful. Rocky's defense has been highly ineffective against the no-huddle. Penn State? Also doubtful. In SDSU's few previous visits to the eastern time zone, we have played terribly. But I'm thinking we can create some havoc come 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 12:14:34 GMT -8
Rocky Long is Ted Tollner Redux. Until Ted seemingly retired on the job, he went 4-10 against P5 opponents. Rocky is now 1-6 against the P5s so I'm thinking he can possibly win 3 of his next 7 against them. Cal? Doubtful. Rocky's defense has been highly ineffective against the no-huddle. Penn State? Also doubtful. In SDSU's few previous visits to the eastern time zone, we have played terribly. But I'm thinking we can create some havoc come 2016. 4 of 6 were ranked P5s, 3 of which were on the road (Michigan, tOSU, UNC). 2 games, UNC and OSU at home, can be boiled down to Toledo play calling and QK play. In other words we are very close to breaking thru. It would be nice to have a better record against P5s, but how do you know the program isn't about to break out like BB finally did in 10-11?
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 21, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -8
Rocky Long is Ted Tollner Redux. Until Ted seemingly retired on the job, he went 4-10 against P5 opponents. Rocky is now 1-6 against the P5s so I'm thinking he can possibly win 3 of his next 7 against them. Cal? Doubtful. Rocky's defense has been highly ineffective against the no-huddle. Penn State? Also doubtful. In SDSU's few previous visits to the eastern time zone, we have played terribly. But I'm thinking we can create some havoc come 2016. 4 of 6 were ranked P5s, 3 of which were on the road (Michigan, tOSU, UNC). 2 games, UNC and OSU at home, can be boiled down to Toledo play calling and QK play. In other words we are very close to breaking thru. It would be nice to have a better record against P5s, but how do you know the program isn't about to break out like BB finally did in 10-11? nothing like context to dispel hyperbole
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 21, 2015 14:21:24 GMT -8
4 of 6 were ranked P5s, 3 of which were on the road (Michigan, tOSU, UNC). 2 games, UNC and OSU at home, can be boiled down to Toledo play calling and QK play. In other words we are very close to breaking thru. It would be nice to have a better record against P5s, but how do you know the program isn't about to break out like BB finally did in 10-11? nothing like context to dispel hyperbole Gimme a break. Show me where I said anything about the opponents being lousy. As to "close to breaking through," I said I think that is likely to begin in 2016. BTW, here's Rocky's record against P5 opponents while at UNM: 2000: 0-2 2001: 0-2 2002: 1-3 (beat 3-9 Baylor) 2003: 0-3 2004: 1-2 (beat 8-4 Texas Tech) 2005: 1-0 (beat 7-5 Mizzu) 2006: 0-1 2007: 1-0 (beat 5-7 Arizona) 2008: 1-1 (beat 8-5 Arizona) So after starting just 1-10 with the lone win being over a terrible P5 team like he beat a few years ago in WSU, Rocky finished up a very respectable 4-4, with three of the victories over a winning team. So to repeat, I think we're going to beat some decent P5 teams going forward; it simply won't begin until 2016.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Apr 21, 2015 14:32:58 GMT -8
Rocky Long is Ted Tollner Redux. Until Ted seemingly retired on the job, he went 4-10 against P5 opponents. Rocky is now 1-6 against the P5s so I'm thinking he can possibly win 3 of his next 7 against them. Cal? Doubtful. Rocky's defense has been highly ineffective against the no-huddle. Penn State? Also doubtful. In SDSU's few previous visits to the eastern time zone, we have played terribly. But I'm thinking we can create some havoc come 2016. Ridiculous! As much I liked Ted the person, he retired mentally long before he was canned. I'll never forget when he came to our community men's group and said they were no longer even attempting to recruit vs. the Pac 12. I thought at first I didn't hear him. It soon showed. Top to bottom the Pac 12 has many athletes a cut above what we have. BUT, Rocky and Co. have made our players better and they are motivated. In recent years we are now getting kids who have some Pac 12 offers and choose SDSU for all the right reasons. Yes, we still don't have the results we'd like vs. them, but I still think we'll win some of these upcoming matchups.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 14:40:21 GMT -8
nothing like context to dispel hyperbole Gimme a break. Show me where I said anything about the opponents being lousy. As to "close to breaking through," I said I think that is likely to begin in 2016. BTW, here's Rocky's record against P5 opponents while at UNM: 2000: 0-2 2001: 0-2 2002: 1-3 (beat 3-9 Baylor) 2003: 0-3 2004: 1-2 (beat 8-4 Texas Tech) 2005: 1-0 (beat 7-5 Mizzu) 2006: 0-1 2007: 1-0 (beat 5-7 Arizona) 2008: 1-1 (beat 8-5 Arizona) So after starting just 1-10 with the lone win being over a terrible P5 team like he beat a few years ago in WSU, Rocky finished up a very respectable 4-4, with three of the victories over a winning team. So to repeat, I think we're going to beat some decent P5 teams going forward; it simply won't begin until 2016. Nice, some rational thought backed with statistical analysis. Sorry, my response was as much for the perma-sours as it was for you. You seem to have a solid graps of where we are at the moment. That's where Aztec fans should be now, and Im guessing you would agree this year and next are likely RLs last unless he has a Fisher like breakthrough comparable to 10-11. The program is trending toward success, the question is who lead it come 2016 and beyond.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 21, 2015 14:47:37 GMT -8
Gimme a break. Show me where I said anything about the opponents being lousy. As to "close to breaking through," I said I think that is likely to begin in 2016. BTW, here's Rocky's record against P5 opponents while at UNM: 2000: 0-2 2001: 0-2 2002: 1-3 (beat 3-9 Baylor) 2003: 0-3 2004: 1-2 (beat 8-4 Texas Tech) 2005: 1-0 (beat 7-5 Mizzu) 2006: 0-1 2007: 1-0 (beat 5-7 Arizona) 2008: 1-1 (beat 8-5 Arizona) So after starting just 1-10 with the lone win being over a terrible P5 team like he beat a few years ago in WSU, Rocky finished up a very respectable 4-4, with three of the victories over a winning team. So to repeat, I think we're going to beat some decent P5 teams going forward; it simply won't begin until 2016. Nice, some rational thought backed with statistical analysis. Sorry, my response was as much for the perma-sours as it was for you. You seem to have a solid graps of where we are at the moment. That's where Aztec fans should be now, and Im guessing you would agree this year and next are likely RLs last unless he has a Fisher like breakthrough comparable to 10-11. No problemo, I enjoy the debate. FWIW, Rocky has been an acceptable place holder and until Hirshman/Sterk decide to fully commit to football - which, given the absence of more $$ to find a better replacement for Toledo they clearly haven't - that's as good as it's going to get at the HC level. As to my comparison of Rocky to Tollner, I'll repeat what I already said. Rocky's performance to date is akin to what Ted did before retiring on the job. Yeah, Rocky's winning percentage is a bit better. However, the mid to late nineties WAC was a considerably better conference than was the early teens Molehill West. And no, I'm NOT predicting Rocky will retire on the job eventually. In fact, I can't think of anybody less inclined to do so. As Rocky showed at UNM, if he loses a passion for the job, he'll simply quit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 14:54:20 GMT -8
Nice, some rational thought backed with statistical analysis. Sorry, my response was as much for the perma-sours as it was for you. You seem to have a solid graps of where we are at the moment. That's where Aztec fans should be now, and Im guessing you would agree this year and next are likely RLs last unless he has a Fisher like breakthrough comparable to 10-11. No problemo, I enjoy the debate. FWIW, Rocky has been an acceptable place holder and until Hirshman/Sterk decide to fully commit to football - which, given the absence of more $$ to find a better replacement for Toledo they clearly haven't - that's as good as it's going to get at the HC level. As to my comparison of Rocky to Tollner, I'll repeat what I already said. Rocky's performance to date is akin to what Ted did before retiring on the job. Yeah, Rocky's winning percentage is a bit better. However, the mid to late nineties WAC was a considerably better conference than was the early teens Molehill West. And no, I'm NOT predicting Rocky will retire on the job eventually. In fact, I can't think of anybody less inclined to do so. As Rocky showed at UNM, if he loses a passion for the job, he'll simply quit.This is a big reason why I worry less about RL and more about what you mentioned above. Who comes next and what resources/facilities will we have to lure them in?
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 21, 2015 15:31:30 GMT -8
nothing like context to dispel hyperbole Gimme a break. Show me where I said anything about the opponents being lousy. As to "close to breaking through," I said I think that is likely to begin in 2016. BTW, here's Rocky's record against P5 opponents while at UNM: 2000: 0-2 2001: 0-2 2002: 1-3 (beat 3-9 Baylor) 2003: 0-3 2004: 1-2 (beat 8-4 Texas Tech) 2005: 1-0 (beat 7-5 Mizzu) 2006: 0-1 2007: 1-0 (beat 5-7 Arizona) 2008: 1-1 (beat 8-5 Arizona) So after starting just 1-10 with the lone win being over a terrible P5 team like he beat a few years ago in WSU, Rocky finished up a very respectable 4-4, with three of the victories over a winning team. So to repeat, I think we're going to beat some decent P5 teams going forward; it simply won't begin until 2016. Your definition of "decent P5" not withstanding 2011: 1-1 beat Washington State & lost @ #21 Michigan 2012: 0-1 lost @ Washington (but did win @ #12 Boise St.) 2013: 0-2 lost @ #3 Ohio St. & Oregon St (34-30) 2014: 0-2 lost @ #21 North Carolina (31-27) & @ Oregon St. Final USA Today Aztecs Ranking 2012: #26 (Dec 2012) MWC Co-Champions 2013: #58 (Jan 2014) 2014: #64 (Jan 2015) Rocky Long has been keeping SDSU in the better part of the 128 team FBS, even with QBs like Dingwell and Kaehler ... if a couple of games go differently in the last 2 min, the Aztecs would be 3-4 vs the P5 -- it is quite possible that we surprise either Cal or Penn St in 2015
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 15:36:30 GMT -8
I know it's along shot but I think we can best Cal.
Their defense is weak but they have a good offense. However, if we can establish the run, keep their O off the field, and our D performs well, anything can happen. Its all about match ups and compared to the Penn St game, Cal seems far more realistic.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 21, 2015 16:07:18 GMT -8
Gimme a break. Show me where I said anything about the opponents being lousy. As to "close to breaking through," I said I think that is likely to begin in 2016. BTW, here's Rocky's record against P5 opponents while at UNM: 2000: 0-2 2001: 0-2 2002: 1-3 (beat 3-9 Baylor) 2003: 0-3 2004: 1-2 (beat 8-4 Texas Tech) 2005: 1-0 (beat 7-5 Mizzu) 2006: 0-1 2007: 1-0 (beat 5-7 Arizona) 2008: 1-1 (beat 8-5 Arizona) So after starting just 1-10 with the lone win being over a terrible P5 team like he beat a few years ago in WSU, Rocky finished up a very respectable 4-4, with three of the victories over a winning team. So to repeat, I think we're going to beat some decent P5 teams going forward; it simply won't begin until 2016. Your definition of "decent P5" not withstanding 2011: 1-1 beat Washington State & lost @ #21 Michigan 2012: 0-1 lost @ Washington (but did win @ #12 Boise St.) 2013: 0-2 lost @ #3 Ohio St. & Oregon St (34-30) 2014: 0-2 lost @ #21 North Carolina (31-27) & @ Oregon St. Final USA Today Aztecs Ranking 2012: #26 (Dec 2012) MWC Co-Champions 2013: #58 (Jan 2014) 2014: #64 (Jan 2015) Rocky Long has been keeping SDSU in the better part of the 128 team FBS, even with QBs like Dingwell and Kaehler ... if a couple of games go differently in the last 2 min, the Aztecs would be 3-4 vs the P5 -- it is quite possible that we surprise either Cal or Penn St in 2015 Again, gimme a break. Regarding Boise, I know that under the circumstances, winning in Potatoland is very impressive. However, as I keep trying to point out, the casual fan either doesn't know that or doesn't care about what we do within our own lousy conference. And if we want to significantly improve attendance, we have to consistently get 5K-10K more casual fans to come in the door. As to close but no cigar against ranked opponents from outside the conference, apparently not everybody, but the vast majority of us are beyond being impressed by moral victories. Let's actually BEAT a few good OOC teams. It will make all the difference in the world but until then, there will continue to be more empty seats than butts in Qualcomm Stadium.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 21, 2015 16:24:25 GMT -8
Your definition of "decent P5" not withstanding 2011: 1-1 beat Washington State & lost @ #21 Michigan 2012: 0-1 lost @ Washington (but did win @ #12 Boise St.) 2013: 0-2 lost @ #3 Ohio St. & Oregon St (34-30) 2014: 0-2 lost @ #21 North Carolina (31-27) & @ Oregon St. Final USA Today Aztecs Ranking 2012: #26 (Dec 2012) MWC Co-Champions 2013: #58 (Jan 2014) 2014: #64 (Jan 2015) Rocky Long has been keeping SDSU in the better part of the 128 team FBS, even with QBs like Dingwell and Kaehler ... if a couple of games go differently in the last 2 min, the Aztecs would be 3-4 vs the P5 -- it is quite possible that we surprise either Cal or Penn St in 2015 Again, gimme a break. Regarding Boise, I know that under the circumstances, winning in Potatoland is very impressive. However, as I keep trying to point out, the casual fan either doesn't know that or doesn't care about what we do within our own lousy conference. And if we want to significantly improve attendance, we have to consistently get 5K-10K more casual fans to come in the door. As to close but no cigar against ranked opponents from outside the conference, apparently not everybody, but the vast majority of us are beyond being impressed by moral victories. Let's actually BEAT a few good OOC teams. It will make all the difference in the world but until then, there will continue to be more empty seats than butts in Qualcomm Stadium. We've already agreed to disagree on what makes a worthy opponent ... you have your list of the limited teams you think cut it -- beating a ranked team regardless of conference is still beating a ranked team. Nobody was extolling the virtues of a moral victory, the games were not won -- the illustration was merely to counter your hyperbole and point out we're closer to success than we are failure ... this is nothing like claiming we won the 2nd half or saying we held them to under their season avg. (which by the way the basketball fans were quick to say about the loss to Duke). Winning will put butts in seats period. Beating a couple of P5s OoC wouldn't mean much if we lost to the same number of teams in conference. Winning the MWC consistently would do as much to get butts in seats as beating a P5 team but not not winning the MWC. The casual fan likes a winner and most don't care who the wins are against as long as there are lots of them and they get you ranked.
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Post by moctezumaii on Apr 24, 2015 5:53:47 GMT -8
Yes, that is the formula. The uninformed negativists here just don't see the value of the upcoming years that includes Pac 12 games as the UP portion. You want to play one of those games each year and go 3-1 for the balance of OOC, worst case. And, those who do not see the value of Northern Illinois and South Alabama as challenging games have paid no attention to college football. The Aztecs will have to play well to beat SA this year and No. Ill. next year. Neither are gimmees. That's why I don't even bother going back and forth with the "we should shut down football" crowd. It ends up being a waste of time The 'Shut Down Football' crowd is gonna have the last 'laugh', though it'll be a sad day. Of course, like your 95-year-old grandfather passing, it will come as no surprise: 'well, it was time' . This clown show of a football program ain't making it to the next decade. Why not save the money and just pull the plug now, rather than waiting?
It was time.
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 24, 2015 9:27:11 GMT -8
That's why I don't even bother going back and forth with the "we should shut down football" crowd. It ends up being a waste of time The 'Shut Down Football' crowd is gonna have the last 'laugh', though it'll be a sad day. Of course, like your 95-year-old grandfather passing, it will come as no surprise: 'well, it was time' . This clown show of a football program ain't making it to the next decade. Why not save the money and just pull the plug now, rather than waiting?
It was time. The fact that you would want to "Laugh" if this ridiculous idea of the football program getting shut down becomes true just lets me know where your mindset is. No need to go back and forth with you about this. Just keep being a great "fan" and keep hoping the football program is unsuccessful. "Fans" like you sure do help the process for building an unsuccessful program so keep up the good work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 9:49:08 GMT -8
The 'Shut Down Football' crowd is gonna have the last 'laugh', though it'll be a sad day. Of course, like your 95-year-old grandfather passing, it will come as no surprise: 'well, it was time' . This clown show of a football program ain't making it to the next decade. Why not save the money and just pull the plug now, rather than waiting?
It was time. The fact that you would want to "Laugh" if this ridiculous idea of the football program getting shut down becomes true just lets me know where your mindset is. No need to go back and forth with you about this. Just keep being a great "fan" and keep hoping the football program is unsuccessful. "Fans" like you sure do help the process for building an unsuccessful program so keep up the good work. Exactly, only the most foolish hope for FB to end. Since the end of FB will mean WCC at best for MBB....but more likely the BigWest. Not to mention the end of some women's sports as well.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 24, 2015 12:19:18 GMT -8
That's why I don't even bother going back and forth with the "we should shut down football" crowd. It ends up being a waste of time The 'Shut Down Football' crowd is gonna have the last 'laugh', though it'll be a sad day. Of course, like your 95-year-old grandfather passing, it will come as no surprise: 'well, it was time' . This clown show of a football program ain't making it to the next decade. Why not save the money and just pull the plug now, rather than waiting?
It was time. You are so clueless its not even funny.
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Post by moctezumaii on Apr 24, 2015 15:47:38 GMT -8
The 'Shut Down Football' crowd is gonna have the last 'laugh', though it'll be a sad day. Of course, like your 95-year-old grandfather passing, it will come as no surprise: 'well, it was time' . This clown show of a football program ain't making it to the next decade. Why not save the money and just pull the plug now, rather than waiting?
It was time. The fact that you would want to "Laugh" if this ridiculous idea of the football program getting shut down becomes true just lets me know where your mindset is. No need to go back and forth with you about this. Just keep being a great "fan" and keep hoping the football program is unsuccessful. "Fans" like you sure do help the process for building an unsuccessful program so keep up the good work. Did you not notice I had 'laugh' in quotes. It means 'not laugh'. Like your "fan" in quotes means "not fan". I didn't build this lame-ass program. I just watched it fail FOR DECADES. My senior year in high school, immediately after acceptance to SDSU, I remember listening on the radio to UCLA v SDSU. 1984. Brown fumbled at the Bruin's 3, Gaston at the 18 and San Diego State lost 18-15. It's really, frankly, never gotten much better. Remember the 52-52 tie (loss) to BYU? How about the loss to Iowa on a last-second 53-yarder? Thin losses to Ohio State, Michigan, Miami and on and on and on. And now? Now it's a depressing little team composed of little scrubs who play in a 1/4 full scrubby stadium in front of 18,000 scrub fans against some of the sub-scrubbiest football teams in America. In the era of the P-5. Thank you, Ted Tollner. Thanks, Tom Craft and Chuck Long. Thanks, Brady, wish you'd stayed. Thanks, Rocky Long, for being way above average at being thoroughly mediocre. The window of opportunity has closed. It's gonna close on a lot of teams. Within 10 years, half the teams in the MWC with football now won't have football then. Get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 17:13:00 GMT -8
The fact that you would want to "Laugh" if this ridiculous idea of the football program getting shut down becomes true just lets me know where your mindset is. No need to go back and forth with you about this. Just keep being a great "fan" and keep hoping the football program is unsuccessful. "Fans" like you sure do help the process for building an unsuccessful program so keep up the good work. Did you not notice I had 'laugh' in quotes. It means 'not laugh'. Like your "fan" in quotes means "not fan". I didn't build this lame-ass program. I just watched it fail FOR DECADES. My senior year in high school, immediately after acceptance to SDSU, I remember listening on the radio to UCLA v SDSU. 1984. Brown fumbled at the Bruin's 3, Gaston at the 18 and San Diego State lost 18-15. It's really, frankly, never gotten much better. Remember the 52-52 tie (loss) to BYU? How about the loss to Iowa on a last-second 53-yarder? Thin losses to Ohio State, Michigan, Miami and on and on and on. And now? Now it's a depressing little team composed of little scrubs who play in a 1/4 full scrubby stadium in front of 18,000 scrub fans against some of the sub-scrubbiest football teams in America. In the era of the P-5. Thank you, Ted Tollner. Thanks, Tom Craft and Chuck Long. Thanks, Brady, wish you'd stayed. Thanks, Rocky Long, for being way above average at being thoroughly mediocre. The window of opportunity has closed. It's gonna close on a lot of teams. Within 10 years, half the teams in the MWC with football now won't have football then. Get over it. You say that. But in fact all the MW programs are making more money(TV) now playing FB than they did before. Their access to bowls is pretty much the same as the BCS era, but with better pay now. If these programs could survive previous WAC and MWC TV contracts they will probably survive this as well. The only reason programs wiould end is if D1 really did separate completely, which actually seem less likely now that the P5 got what they wanted without having to leave. you had to live thru a generation of suck, get over it. Your sourness has nothing to do with real world circumstances.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 24, 2015 17:19:29 GMT -8
Did you not notice I had 'laugh' in quotes. It means 'not laugh'. Like your "fan" in quotes means "not fan". I didn't build this lame-ass program. I just watched it fail FOR DECADES. My senior year in high school, immediately after acceptance to SDSU, I remember listening on the radio to UCLA v SDSU. 1984. Brown fumbled at the Bruin's 3, Gaston at the 18 and San Diego State lost 18-15. It's really, frankly, never gotten much better. Remember the 52-52 tie (loss) to BYU? How about the loss to Iowa on a last-second 53-yarder? Thin losses to Ohio State, Michigan, Miami and on and on and on. And now? Now it's a depressing little team composed of little scrubs who play in a 1/4 full scrubby stadium in front of 18,000 scrub fans against some of the sub-scrubbiest football teams in America. In the era of the P-5. Thank you, Ted Tollner. Thanks, Tom Craft and Chuck Long. Thanks, Brady, wish you'd stayed. Thanks, Rocky Long, for being way above average at being thoroughly mediocre. The window of opportunity has closed. It's gonna close on a lot of teams. Within 10 years, half the teams in the MWC with football now won't have football then. Get over it. You say that. But in fact all the MW programs are making more money(TV) now playing FB than they did before. Their access to bowls is pretty much the same as the BCS era, but with better pay now. If these programs could survive previous WAC and MWC TV contracts they will probably survive this as well. The only reason programs wiould end is if D1 really did separate completely, which actually seem less likely now that the P5 got what they wanted without having to leave. you had to live thru a generation of suck, get over it. Your sourness has nothing to do with real world circumstances. Are they really? Sure it's not inflation? Is every team making a "profit"? Not a trick question. I don't know.
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Post by moctezumaii on Apr 24, 2015 18:02:16 GMT -8
You say that. But in fact all the MW programs are making more money(TV) now playing FB than they did before. Their access to bowls is pretty much the same as the BCS era, but with better pay now. If these programs could survive previous WAC and MWC TV contracts they will probably survive this as well. The only reason programs wiould end is if D1 really did separate completely, which actually seem less likely now that the P5 got what they wanted without having to leave. you had to live thru a generation of suck, get over it. Your sourness has nothing to do with real world circumstances. Are they really? Sure it's not inflation? Is every team making a "profit"? Not a trick question. I don't know. I believe I have read somewhere that close to half of D-1 football programs lose money. Of course, if it's other people's money...
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