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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 15:02:19 GMT -8
I am trying to be objective with this post and the intention is to spark a good conversation, not to tear down the team, I am a fan and attend most home games. The Aztecs roster is stacked with very athletic players, and there is no good reason for the Aztecs to be this weak on offense. It seems like an adventure every time the Aztecs have to inbound the ball with pressure and far too many turnovers. Hutson has really amped up the defense since his return from UNLV, and prior to Hutson's return our defense was slightly above average, now it is elite. Looking at the Aztec Coaching staff it is Dutcher who is supposed to be coaching the offense; however, being the Head Coach in waiting , he is not going anywhere. I would really like to see the Aztec's bring in a good offensive coach, one who can teach proper shooting and ball movement. In addition, I would also like to see a coach brought in who can work with the Bigs. I am not sure what Coach Velasquez brings to the table; therefore, his spot would be an obvious choice for replacement to bring in either an improved offensive assistant coach or at the very least someone who specializes in working with Bigs. What are the size limits on an NCAA Hoops Coaching Staff? |
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 20, 2014 15:10:49 GMT -8
Oh, I thought you wasnted us to fill in words that could follow the opening of a sentence.
I was going to write "is offensive". Then, I thought "will get better" was a reality.
Pick whichever one you want.
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 20, 2014 15:19:17 GMT -8
I am trying to be objective with this post and the intention is to spark a good conversation, not to tear down the team, I am a fan and attend most home games. The Aztecs roster is stacked with very athletic players, and there is no good reason for the Aztecs to be this weak on offense. It seems like an adventure every time the Aztecs have to inbound the ball with pressure and far too many turnovers. Hutson has really amped up the defense since his return from UNLV, and prior to Hutson's return our defense was slightly above average, now it is elite. Looking at the Aztec Coaching staff it is Dutcher who is supposed to be coaching the offense; however, being the Head Coach in waiting , he is not going anywhere. I would really like to see the Aztec's bring in a good offensive coach, one who can teach proper shooting and ball movement. In addition, I would also like to see a coach brought in who can work with the Bigs. I am not sure what Coach Velasquez brings to the table; therefore, his spot would be an obvious choice for replacement to bring in either an improved offensive assistant coach or at the very least someone who specializes in working with Bigs. What are the size limits on an NCAA Hoops Coaching Staff? Are you Aztec Eric under a different name? (In case Eric sees this, this is no slam on you, it is meant to be funny) Really, you think its all about coaching? Too bad. Replacing a high quality PG with a newby is not as easy as bringing in a coach. BTW, Mark Fisher is the O guru. Our staff only gets 20hrs a week to practice. Most important to our team is the D. As "Z" pointed out in his post game article, in the last few games, our D has only been real tough in the 1st half, and it has been not great at all in 2nd halves. That is most important. We will see how the O goes with AQ starting tonight. (against inferior talent) If we can develop big leads in the next few games, our staff will be hunting for other options, I think I'll trust them. BTW.2 No room for another coach unless you want coach FIsher to fire one that is here now. edit here having q shooting coach was, among others, what got Floyd fired from Spoiled Children, he tried to get some NBA buds in to help and got busted for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 16:26:10 GMT -8
I am trying to be objective with this post and the intention is to spark a good conversation, not to tear down the team, I am a fan and attend most home games. The Aztecs roster is stacked with very athletic players, and there is no good reason for the Aztecs to be this weak on offense. It seems like an adventure every time the Aztecs have to inbound the ball with pressure and far too many turnovers. Hutson has really amped up the defense since his return from UNLV, and prior to Hutson's return our defense was slightly above average, now it is elite. Looking at the Aztec Coaching staff it is Dutcher who is supposed to be coaching the offense; however, being the Head Coach in waiting , he is not going anywhere. I would really like to see the Aztec's bring in a good offensive coach, one who can teach proper shooting and ball movement. In addition, I would also like to see a coach brought in who can work with the Bigs. I am not sure what Coach Velasquez brings to the table; therefore, his spot would be an obvious choice for replacement to bring in either an improved offensive assistant coach or at the very least someone who specializes in working with Bigs. What are the size limits on an NCAA Hoops Coaching Staff? Are you Aztec Eric under a different name? (In case Eric sees this, this is no slam on you, it is meant to be funny) Really, you think its all about coaching? Too bad. Replacing a high quality PG with a newby is not as easy as bringing in a coach. BTW, Mark Fisher is the O guru. Our staff only gets 20hrs a week to practice. Most important to our team is the D. As "Z" pointed out in his post game article, in the last few games, our D has only been real tough in the 1st half, and it has been not great at all in 2nd halves. That is most important. We will see how the O goes with AQ starting tonight. (against inferior talent) If we can develop big leads in the next few games, our staff will be hunting for other options, I think I'll trust them. BTW.2 No room for another coach unless you want coach FIsher to fire one that is here now. edit here having q shooting coach was, among others, what got Floyd fired from Spoiled Children, he tried to get some NBA buds in to help and got busted for it. Look, I am not interested in an internet smack down, I want genuine discussion on how to improve the Aztec offense. You really do not address my post at all. You make no mention of all the problems inbounding the ball, the turnovers and the poor shooting. How about you attempt to post something that might improve the offense instead of making every attempt at knocking my post. The Aztec offensive problems go way beyond losing one guy from last years squad. It was the poor offensive performance that lost the last two games, not the "weak" defense in the second half. The Aztec's defense only allowed 49 points to Washington and did its job against Cinci as well. I am not saying it is the Coaches, but a logical person would look at it and say that the Aztecs have good to great players and should do better on offense. |
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Post by zed on Dec 20, 2014 16:32:56 GMT -8
I'm totally in favor of some SDSU Hoops Offense!
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Post by miners22 on Dec 20, 2014 19:55:07 GMT -8
This topic was, and has been, covered on this Board in the
past. Here's my take again. Believe it or not, SDSU runs a
Pro Offense called, Horns (i.e. two post players on at the
right and let elbows; two wing players set up in the corners
and one player (Guard) in the back court)and the offense, if
executed property is one of the best in all of basketball!!
I will no longer call the "guard" a PG, as this position and
name for the same has tarnished the position. Point Guard
means, a guard that scores points! A traditional guard does
more than just score POINTS!
Back to the offense. One of the main reason the Horns offense
is run by NBA and most College Coaches is that the offensive
set up takes away any "defensive help" in the paint. The
problem with SDSU players is that they have forgotten or are
told not to move without the basketball. SDSU offense would
run a lot smoother if its POST players had a "post up game"
and command a double-team from the defense.
SDSU offense would run a lot smoother if their "guard" moved
the ball and his teammates into position to score the ball
in their comfort spots on the Court. For example, it is the
team's guard responsibility to get ball to his teammates for
scoring opportunities and make teammates look "good." It
is not the team's "guard" mission to dribble the ball for
25 seconds and hunt for his shot!
Again, the today's PG is no longer a guard. The guard is a
PG/Scoring player. Yes, your guard should be able make shot
and/or score, but it seems to me that player is more concerned
with scoring the basketball instead of distributing ball to his
teammates. If SDSU players could execute Horns offense, team
could score and not struggle.
Personally, I would have more than one offensive set and special
plays for certain players and situations. If I have a player who
can shoot the ball "consistently from three point range", you
can rest assured that I would have a play designed for him. If
I have a player who can "consistently" post up on the low block
and score, you can rest assured that I would instruct my players
to pass the to him. Like Shaq simply stated, "If you don't feed
the dog, he will not guard the house!"
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 21, 2014 22:30:32 GMT -8
Are you Aztec Eric under a different name? (In case Eric sees this, this is no slam on you, it is meant to be funny) Really, you think its all about coaching? Too bad. Replacing a high quality PG with a newby is not as easy as bringing in a coach. BTW, Mark Fisher is the O guru. Our staff only gets 20hrs a week to practice. Most important to our team is the D. As "Z" pointed out in his post game article, in the last few games, our D has only been real tough in the 1st half, and it has been not great at all in 2nd halves. That is most important. We will see how the O goes with AQ starting tonight. (against inferior talent) If we can develop big leads in the next few games, our staff will be hunting for other options, I think I'll trust them. BTW.2 No room for another coach unless you want coach FIsher to fire one that is here now. edit here having q shooting coach was, among others, what got Floyd fired from Spoiled Children, he tried to get some NBA buds in to help and got busted for it. Look, I am not interested in an internet smack down, I want genuine discussion on how to improve the Aztec offense. You really do not address my post at all. You make no mention of all the problems inbounding the ball, the turnovers and the poor shooting. How about you attempt to post something that might improve the offense instead of making every attempt at knocking my post. The Aztec offensive problems go way beyond losing one guy from last years squad. It was the poor offensive performance that lost the last two games, not the "weak" defense in the second half. The Aztec's defense only allowed 49 points to Washington and did its job against Cinci as well. I am not saying it is the Coaches, but a logical person would look at it and say that the Aztecs have good to great players and should do better on offense. OK, I'll try to conform to your wishes. Or maybe just some of them. In college ball, the point is the most important spot on a team, by far. U-Conn won last season due to their superior PG play. Play that only came to life in their league tourney. Right now, we do not have a point most of the time. The best our O has been all season is when Shep ran the point in the comeback against LBSU. Shooting is all about rhythm and motion. A great PG, like X knows when to deliver a pass so the shooter has the best chance of making the shot. DP's release is all over the place, but I'd bet that if he spent some time with X, he'd get it squared away. My point on Tim Floyd and a shooting coach (your suggestion) was that it isn't as easy as just bringing one in. The NCAA has rules on how many "coaches" can be involved with the team. I am now going down a different path now, I am a puzzled as the next Aztec fan on what the H is wrong with the O. I believe we need to toss the Cincy game in the trash bucket of time. That there was a brutal trip. 10 hours to get there, no time for practice back there. The entire flight from Dallas to Cincy in a teeny plane (one seat on one side and two on the other. Coach said he had to duck to keep from banging his head on the bulkhead. Then, before they could take off from Dallas, they sat on the tarmac for over an hour. Travel, no practice, no AQ, no experienced PG and we get a game that fell apart. I also think we will see more of D Williams at the PG. Dude is tough as nails and has played PG his whole life. He play good D, and can make FT's. We had glimpses of him in games for longer than normal a few games ago, and he played good ball. Finally, for now, I think we need a "shrink" more than a shooting coach. We know who can shoot and who is questionable. DP has been a great shooter, as has AQ and Shrigs has it in him too. Our guys have lost their confidence, and it'll take some psych help and some time to get it back. We can hope that the D holds us in the upcoming games. please keep the dialog going. |
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Post by aztec619 on Dec 22, 2014 9:54:49 GMT -8
I am trying to be objective with this post and the intention is to spark a good conversation, not to tear down the team, I am a fan and attend most home games. The Aztecs roster is stacked with very athletic players, and there is no good reason for the Aztecs to be this weak on offense. It seems like an adventure every time the Aztecs have to inbound the ball with pressure and far too many turnovers. Hutson has really amped up the defense since his return from UNLV, and prior to Hutson's return our defense was slightly above average, now it is elite. Looking at the Aztec Coaching staff it is Dutcher who is supposed to be coaching the offense; however, being the Head Coach in waiting , he is not going anywhere. I would really like to see the Aztec's bring in a good offensive coach, one who can teach proper shooting and ball movement. In addition, I would also like to see a coach brought in who can work with the Bigs. I am not sure what Coach Velasquez brings to the table; therefore, his spot would be an obvious choice for replacement to bring in either an improved offensive assistant coach or at the very least someone who specializes in working with Bigs. What are the size limits on an NCAA Hoops Coaching Staff? I'm sure the coaching staff know way more than the rest of us on here but the thing that I would like to see is to try to get out in transition a little bit more. We have got athletes that most teams are envious of and I would like to use them (10-12 deep) to press and get out and run for fastbreaks. We got the defense to do it too. The one thing that I can see an issue with trying this is that in order to get out and run, we need to rebound a little better. But nothing like getting easy buckets in a bball game to get your offense going and getting comfortable for the game. Remember how we had Billy White at the top of the press years ago? We could use D. Allen or Polee like that to create some turnovers and offense. Now for us breaking the press that was put on us, the best way to break a press is to pass through it. You don't dribble your way through a press even if you are Magic Johnson. We need pass our way through it and it can lead to easy buckets like a layup or slam! Just my quick thoughts on offense and breaking the press. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 22, 2014 10:20:36 GMT -8
Coach Fisher on his radio show . We need to get the ball inside and work from there . Get more movement . We shot way too many threes and we only made 20% . Also 11 turnovers , many in the back court so we did not even get a shot . Not enough rebounds on offense .
Agree we need to really use the athletic guys we have recruited ( great job by the coaches ) ,now put them in motion so they are using their skill set . Running , moving and attacking the basket. Realize we are not a good three point shooting team , so limit them . Also please acknowledge offense just does not happen , unless you want to rely strictly on one on one play . Need to have every guy who does not have the ball moving and passes need to be quick . More time needs to spent on offense to develop plays, even the basic cuts , back door , we use the athleticism on defense now use it on offense . The slow down style only neutralizes are strength our athleticism , makes it so much easier on our opponents , who do not have to move/ chase us. Use the 10 guys we have - bench strength . Spencer needs to be involved , so he stays in the game on offense , not just the ball screen that takes him away from the basket.
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Post by merkarrand on Dec 22, 2014 10:44:00 GMT -8
Yoda..Thank you for the post. I agree with all you addressed. Regarding the pro offense. miners 22 posted. The offense he describes, seems to be in theory, with very little time spent in implementing. All I see is a dribbling, looking for an open shot, then passing it to a stagnant standing wing, who fires up an out of rhythm shot as last resort.
I feel the passing skills are weak and do not know how to pass the ball to a wing, or, into the post, knowing the added value of effective post play, enabling, how to post up, reset and repost for better entry pass and to break down defense for an added benefit for out side shorters to receive the ball in rhythm from the post if he cannot score. Simple inside- out game~~~ Passing skills are lacking.
Entry passing to players in a attack, triple threat positon, is in need of work as well as setting up shooters for in rhythm shots. The offense has no rhythm.
When pressed, inbound pass is contested, the receivers have no idea how to get open. Starting at the free throw line, then breaking to an open spot will neutralize and relieve pressure. When pressed, rarely do you see a player stay behind the ball and relieve pressure when the ball handler is trapped. There is no press offense. simply survival to get the ball over half court and get into the (pro style Offense") SDSU has been fortunate the past two years with the like of Thames and the other player (not franklin) who were press breakers in the own right. When pressed, I see the mid court is always open and not one flashes to the sport, receives the ball and create a 3 on 2 situation fast break. Another lost art is how to teach the trailing center to post up as [part of the secondary break
The team has the talent to be multi faceted,but feel the basic passing, post up,movement in rhythm,court awareness is lacking. Still time to retune the engine and get the swagger back.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 22, 2014 10:58:41 GMT -8
Yoda..Thank you for the post. I agree with all you addressed. Regarding the pro offense. miners 22 posted. The offense he describes, seems to be in theory, with very little time spent in implementing. All I see is a dribbling, looking for an open shot, then passing it to a stagnant standing wing, who fires up an out of rhythm shot as last resort. I feel the passing skills are weak and do not know how to pass the ball to a wing, or, into the post, knowing the added value of effective post play, enabling, how to post up, reset and repost for better entry pass and to break down defense for an added benefit for out side shorters to receive the ball in rhythm from the post if he cannot score. Simple inside- out game~~~ Passing skills are lacking. Entry passing to players in a attack, triple threat positon, is in need of work as well as setting up shooters for in rhythm shots. The offense has no rhythm. When pressed, inbound pass is contested, the receivers have no idea how to get open. Starting at the free throw line, then breaking to an open spot will neutralize and relieve pressure. When pressed, rarely do you see a player stay behind the ball and relieve pressure when the ball handler is trapped. There is no press offense. simply survival to get the ball over half court and get into the (pro style Offense") SDSU has been fortunate the past two years with the like of Thames and the other player (not franklin) who were press breakers in the own right. When pressed, I see the mid court is always open and not one flashes to the sport, receives the ball and create a 3 on 2 situation fast break. Another lost art is how to teach the trailing center to post up as [part of the secondary break The team has the talent to be multi faceted,but feel the basic passing, post up,movement in rhythm,court awareness is lacking. Still time to retune the engine and get the swagger back. Early against Cincinnati, the Aztecs got 3 wide open corner 3s from breaking the press. We missed all 3. Breaking the press early to get open shots and making them is the best method to break a press. It not only breaks it that possession but breaks it for possessions to come. Teams can't be as aggressive if the pressed team makes them pay for it by scoring easy open shots. Missing those shots gives the team free reign to press even harder. Having a player behind the ball gives the pressing team an extra player to pressure the ball. |
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 22, 2014 11:04:53 GMT -8
You can break it down 100 ways, including how well our PG's are playing or our posts, or any other of 100 arguments. IMO it comes down to 2 things: 1) when we move the ball quickly via the PASS we're 10x more effective; and 2) MAKE OPEN SHOTS. It's not all that complicated.
Often it seems to me we default to the dribble & 1:1 penetration, and forget to make the pass to gain an advantage. It starts when we bring it up - make the PASS - it's easier. When we get too caught up dribbling we are going to suffer because we don't have a true, really good ball handler. PASS first, should be a rule, and only go 1:1 when you have a true match-up advantage. As for shooting, there's not a lot you can do when you're getting good looks & not cashing them in. All you can do is practice BEYOND your 20 hrs per week w/ coaches on your own, and keep taking the open looks when you have them. Don't get tentative; don't second guess. Just shoot.
The only thing I'd change on our Offense is I'd really emphasize making the quick pass & reversals, as well as a little more movement away from the ball. We do it, but it seems like only about 25% of the time. That needs to jump WAY up.
We'll eventually start making shots. We have too many good shooters not to. The coaches just need to make sure it (missing shots) doesn't get in their heads & they don't start overthinking.
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Post by standiego on Dec 22, 2014 11:28:10 GMT -8
Would guess they work on offense , but it sure does not look like it . As pointed out offense does not just happen . Guys need to be told they need to move with out the ball , passes quick and sharp . More up tempo , the slow down style only hurts our athleticism . Come to grips that we are not a good three point shooting team , limit it, but push the offense in other ways attacking the basket . We have guys that have played in a fast paced offense in HS , use it . Polee can elevate use him near the basket not outside . Go watch how Florida Gulf Coast played offense against us a couple of years ago .
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Post by AztecSports95 on Dec 22, 2014 13:40:09 GMT -8
It's Schnall's fault! Seriously, had they not marketed this team in the preseason as the best ever on the Mesa, our expectations wouldn't be so high and we wouldn't be so disappointed now. Once again, it's all marketing's fault.  ? |
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Post by merkarrand on Dec 22, 2014 21:58:51 GMT -8
In a press offense you look for a 3 on two situation,either for a layin, bank shot, and a trailing big man to post up last option is an open 3
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Post by standiego on Dec 23, 2014 9:29:26 GMT -8
Other then AQ ( when he is hot ) can we please stop taking so many threes , increase the guys moving without the ball , quick passing , getting the ball inside , take it to the hoop for higher % shots . Use our very athletic guys we recruited.
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Post by adammclane on Dec 23, 2014 9:50:07 GMT -8
Seems like the guys are still coming together and learning to play as a unit. With the rotations settling down, expect the scoring to increase. In fairness, we're only about 10 points off from where we need to be with our defense playing like this.
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