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Post by aardvark on Dec 21, 2014 10:34:56 GMT -8
Another sports arena? For a city which has no NBA team and has lost three professional basketball franchises and which is only an hour and a half from the nearest NHL franchise? Yep. It actually (to me) would make more sense putting a new arena downtown instead of a football stadium. But I have no idea how a new arena will be paid for, so I can just sit back and watch the current arena slowly fall apart.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 21, 2014 10:39:09 GMT -8
Even if they use the current site, the cost for an open-air stadium of sufficient size will be much closer to $1 billion than $500 million. The downtown development is a combined stadium/ convention center expansion. The problem the little tin pot, unelected Port Dick-Taters have with the plan is that the expansion wouldn't be on Port controlled land. That means that revenue would flow to city coffers instead of enriching their little fiefdom. Isn't one of the so-called proposals actually on Port-controlled land? And isn't the current convention center board against any proposal that includes a stadium as part of a convention center expansion?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 11:50:09 GMT -8
The downtown development is a combined stadium/ convention center expansion. The problem the little tin pot, unelected Port Dick-Taters have with the plan is that the expansion wouldn't be on Port controlled land. That means that revenue would flow to city coffers instead of enriching their little fiefdom. Isn't one of the so-called proposals actually on Port-controlled land? And isn't the current convention center board against any proposal that includes a stadium as part of a convention center expansion? The Port wants a "contiguous space" expansion, solely on Port land and funded by a ToT, which they attempted to levy without voter approval. This is the preferred approach for unelected, crony infested public entities. Fortunately, Jan Goldsmith called them on it, invited a lawsuit, which was filed and successful. That put the Port in an unfamiliar position of weakness which they are having a hard time processing. Eventually they will come around to the joint ( Stadium/Con Ctr expansion) development if only because the other power centers, city government(council and mayor), unions, downtown business interests and the media are getting behind it. As any observer of SD politics will tell you, these are the pieces that need to be in place for anything to get done in this town. I suppose I should also add this: Anyone that thinks the the Q site is "in play" for a SDSU campus expansion should think again. The entire north side of MV is currently being developed with high density housing, bringing thousands of new residents into the valley. The city at some point is going to have to add services down there in the form of fire and police as well as schools. The Q, should it become available may well have a school on it but it's more likely that it will be a high school, middle school, elementary school, possibly all 3. I know for a fact that new homeowners down there are paying Mello-Roos.
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Post by Den60 on Dec 21, 2014 13:00:10 GMT -8
Another sports arena? For a city which has no NBA team and has lost three professional basketball franchises and which is only an hour and a half from the nearest NHL franchise? Again, I said that was a "big dream" and said it was not likely due to the fact LA doesn't want any professional sports teams in SD. Too bad, I would love to have a hockey team here. But there were some rumors that Ernie Hahn was somewhat interested in a stadium/sports arena complex at the Q site. The only bigger sports dump than the Q in SD is the sports arena. And if you look at it, we lost two NBA teams (the other you mention was an ABA team). If you look at attendance they were both in the middle of the pack and the Clippers' owner was a total asshat. For me, being a native San Diegan I am morally precluded for rooting for anything associated with LA. The thing is, I actually like hockey but don't watch much because there is no team for me to root for locally.
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Post by Den60 on Dec 21, 2014 13:04:58 GMT -8
Another sports arena? For a city which has no NBA team and has lost three professional basketball franchises and which is only an hour and a half from the nearest NHL franchise? Yep. It actually (to me) would make more sense putting a new arena downtown instead of a football stadium. But I have no idea how a new arena will be paid for, so I can just sit back and watch the current arena slowly fall apart. Downtown would be a perfect place for a sports arena if they could get either a NHL or NBA team to commit to moving here. More dates than you get with a football team and smaller crowds than a sold out Petco. I know the Lakers will block any NBA team trying to move to San Diego though I am not as sure about what the Kings and Ducks would think about a team here. I would expect they would prefer no team in SD as well.
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Post by standiego on Dec 21, 2014 14:10:45 GMT -8
The Sports Arena is talking with the Ducks about having one of their Minor league teams moving to San Diego. If they did build a multi purpose facility DT with retractable roof , how many fans do you think they would have for a MBB game Aztecs vs Kansas or Arizona ? or set up a Winter T for basketball
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:59:28 GMT -8
I think hockey would work in San Diego. I used to attend Gulls games, and they would draw good crowds. Sometimes 10K+
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 21, 2014 16:28:12 GMT -8
I think hockey would work in San Diego. I used to aend Gulls games, and they would draw good crowds. Sometimes 10K+ They knew how to market and promote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:04:22 GMT -8
Right now i think that Socker is the only thing besides the Chargers that fills the Q. How about a team from the top Mexican League?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:12:12 GMT -8
I think hockey would work in San Diego. I used to aend Gulls games, and they would draw good crowds. Sometimes 10K+ They knew how to market and promote. Well, for me at least, the game sells itself. Fast, skilled, at times very violent, and hard hitting. Not much marketing and promotion needed as far as I'm concerned. Besides, the Gulls were good, I rarely went home disappointed. Miss those games. Lets pass the hat and get them back.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 21, 2014 17:24:42 GMT -8
The Sports Arena is talking with the Ducks about having one of their Minor league teams moving to San Diego. If they did build a multi purpose facility DT with retractable roof , how many fans do you think they would have for a MBB game Aztecs vs Kansas or Arizona ? or set up a Winter T for basketball That's funny, because Sports Arena management let the last version of the Gulls (that they owned, by the way) fold up shop, then claimed afterward that they could make more money on one concert than they could on hosting a full season of hockey.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:27:34 GMT -8
If we had Kawhi, Jamaal, Malcolm and Billllllllyyyyyyy playing in San Diego I would buy season tickets to a NBA team.
How about the NBA Gulls?
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Post by hoobs on Dec 21, 2014 18:59:43 GMT -8
Right now i think that Socker is the only thing besides the Chargers that fills the Q. How about a team from the top Mexican League? You're close... ideally, the new Aztec football stadium should be leased out to an MLS franchise.
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Post by sandiegopete on Dec 21, 2014 19:13:59 GMT -8
Afan posted: "The Port wants a "contiguous space" expansion, solely on Port land and funded by a ToT, which they attempted to levy without voter approval. This is the preferred approach for unelected, crony infested public entities.
Fortunately, Jan Goldsmith called them on it, invited a lawsuit, which was filed and successful. That put the Port in an unfamiliar position of weakness which they are having a hard time processing.
Eventually they will come around to the joint ( Stadium/Con Ctr expansion) development if only because the other power centers, city government(council and mayor), unions, downtown business interests and the media are getting behind it. As any observer of SD politics will tell you, these are the pieces that need to be in place for anything to get done in this town."
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That would be the Port real estate division trying to pull another fast one. The one think I have learned in dealing with the Port is that they will disregard the law with impunity and then backtrack when they are caught. In other words, they think business ethics are for suckers. I have caught them doing so in the past, so I speak from experience.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 21, 2014 20:31:44 GMT -8
Isn't one of the so-called proposals actually on Port-controlled land? And isn't the current convention center board against any proposal that includes a stadium as part of a convention center expansion? I suppose I should also add this: Anyone that thinks the the Q site is "in play" for a SDSU campus expansion should think again. The entire north side of MV is currently being developed with high density housing, bringing thousands of new residents into the valley. The city at some point is going to have to add services down there in the form of fire and police as well as schools. The Q, should it become available may well have a school on it but it's more likely that it will be a high school, middle school, elementary school, possibly all 3. I know for a fact that new homeowners down there are paying Mello-Roos. The project you are talking about is Civita, formerly known as Quarry Falls, has been under development for over a decade. These are mixed use urban development geared toward urban professionals, seasonal/military or second homes. They are not really affordable family housing. Pretty pricey from $500,000-$600,000+ condos & town homes not including taxes and HOA's. Mission Valley won't support a large family populace. Depending on how the markets fare I don't think they will sell what they want to build. Maybe over a long period of time they might but Civita will only build what they can sell. "Sessa, Sudberry’s vice president, said construction of Civita’s nearly 5,000 homes will be phased in over time, allowing the company to start building, or stop, depending on demand. “These first developments — the condos being built — if they don’t sell, we’re not going to start on the next ones,” he said. voiceofsandiego.org/2011/04/07/just-how-empty-are-mission-valleys-homes/As far as fire, police, libraries etc. they are covered. www.sandiego.gov/facilitiesfinancing/pdf/plans/mvplanelements.pdfFrom people I have talked to on the Mesa; the city and SDSU have already had talks about acquiring the Q site for SDSU development. There have also been articles in the UT as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:12:45 GMT -8
I suppose I should also add this: Anyone that thinks the the Q site is "in play" for a SDSU campus expansion should think again. The entire north side of MV is currently being developed with high density housing, bringing thousands of new residents into the valley. The city at some point is going to have to add services down there in the form of fire and police as well as schools. The Q, should it become available may well have a school on it but it's more likely that it will be a high school, middle school, elementary school, possibly all 3. I know for a fact that new homeowners down there are paying Mello-Roos. The project you are talking about is Civita, formerly known as Quarry Falls, has been under development for over a decade. These are mixed use urban development geared toward urban professionals, seasonal/military or second homes. They are not really affordable family housing. Pretty pricey from $500,000-$600,000+ condos & town homes not including taxes and HOA's. Mission Valley won't support a large family populace. Depending on how the markets fare I don't think they will sell what they want to build. Maybe over a long period of time they might but Civita will only build what they can sell. "Sessa, Sudberry’s vice president, said construction of Civita’s nearly 5,000 homes will be phased in over time, allowing the company to start building, or stop, depending on demand. “These first developments — the condos being built — if they don’t sell, we’re not going to start on the next ones,” he said. voiceofsandiego.org/2011/04/07/just-how-empty-are-mission-valleys-homes/As far as fire, police, libraries etc. they are covered. www.sandiego.gov/facilitiesfinancing/pdf/plans/mvplanelements.pdfFrom people I have talked to on the Mesa; the city and SDSU have already had talks about acquiring the Q site for SDSU development. There have also been articles in the UT as well. I'm in the valley literally every day. They're building out. The VOSD article is from 2011.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 21, 2014 21:29:20 GMT -8
The project you are talking about is Civita, formerly known as Quarry Falls, has been under development for over a decade. These are mixed use urban development geared toward urban professionals, seasonal/military or second homes. They are not really affordable family housing. Pretty pricey from $500,000-$600,000+ condos & town homes not including taxes and HOA's. Mission Valley won't support a large family populace. Depending on how the markets fare I don't think they will sell what they want to build. Maybe over a long period of time they might but Civita will only build what they can sell. "Sessa, Sudberry’s vice president, said construction of Civita’s nearly 5,000 homes will be phased in over time, allowing the company to start building, or stop, depending on demand. “These first developments — the condos being built — if they don’t sell, we’re not going to start on the next ones,” he said. voiceofsandiego.org/2011/04/07/just-how-empty-are-mission-valleys-homes/As far as fire, police, libraries etc. they are covered. www.sandiego.gov/facilitiesfinancing/pdf/plans/mvplanelements.pdfFrom people I have talked to on the Mesa; the city and SDSU have already had talks about acquiring the Q site for SDSU development. There have also been articles in the UT as well. I'm in the valley literally every day. They're building out. The VOSD article is from 2011. Good for them. When will they be building police, fire, library and schools?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:53:21 GMT -8
I'm in the valley literally every day. They're building out. The VOSD article is from 2011. Good for them. When will they be building police, fire, library and schools? Your guess is as good as mine. I can tell you this; Serra Mesa does not have the infrastructure to support the influx. Both Serra HS and Kearny are already impacted campuses and the middle and elementary schools in the area are likewise impacted due to the the high density military housing just up the hill. Friars Road is a disaster and getting worse. In addition to the housing, more office and retail space is also part of the master plan. I'm not precluding anything. SDSU could well end up with a campus down there eventually but rest assured, if you think it's a slam dunk, you are sorely mistaken. There will be plenty of resistance to such a development in an area that is already over-developed.
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Post by Den60 on Dec 22, 2014 8:27:52 GMT -8
I think hockey would work in San Diego. I used to attend Gulls games, and they would draw good crowds. Sometimes 10K+ Hockey is a great sport. My Dad grew up in Canada so we used to go to quite a few Gulls and Mariners games.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 22, 2014 10:56:02 GMT -8
Good for them. When will they be building police, fire, library and schools? Your guess is as good as mine. I can tell you this; Serra Mesa does not have the infrastructure to support the influx. Both Serra HS and Kearny are already impacted campuses and the middle and elementary schools in the area are likewise impacted due to the the high density military housing just up the hill. Friars Road is a disaster and getting worse. In addition to the housing, more office and retail space is also part of the master plan. I'm not precluding anything. SDSU could well end up with a campus down there eventually but rest assured, if you think it's a slam dunk, you are sorely mistaken. There will be plenty of resistance to such a development in an area that is already over-developed. Nothing in San Diego is a slam dunk. However, people underestimate how much clout and political support San Diego State University has. Founded in 1897, SDSU is the oldest higher education institution in San Diego County and is an enormous asset to the region generating over $2.4 billion annually for the San Diego economy. Increasing the current number of students from approximately 30,000 in addition to increasing the number of alumni from more than 260,000 will only enhance the San Diego economy further.
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