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Post by Gundo on Nov 22, 2014 11:42:25 GMT -8
Growing up in the 70s and watching college football, some times I get confused with all the realignment. Here's what I remember, most leagues were geographically based and 8 teams, every team played one another and their wasn't the BCS debate on who was #1. There were no super conferences with an East and West, North and south Division, no ESPN and no multi-million dollar TV deals.
ACC: UNC, NC State, Maryland, Duke, Clemson, UVA, Wake Big 10: Michigan, Ohio St, MSU, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota Big 8: Oklahoma, Nebraska , Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, Iowa St, Mizzu Pac 8: USC, UCLA, Oregon, OSU, Washington, Wazzu, Cal, Stanford WAC: Arizona, ASU, BYU, Utah, Wyo, UNM, CSU, UTEP SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, Florida, UGA, LSU SWC: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, SMU, Rice, Baylor, TCU, Arkansas Ivy: Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn, Princton, Brown, Cornell Indy: Notre Dame, Penn St, Army, Navy, Air Force, Syracuse, GA Tech, Miami, FSU, VA Tech, UWV, Tulane, Houston, BC, Pitt, Utah St, South Carolina, So Miss, Akron, UNLV, Cincy, Hawaii, Tampa, Marshall......
And BTW, the PCAA was just 5 schools SDSU, U o P, Fresno St, Long Beach State and SjSU. We played WAC, MAC, MVC and Indy schools during those years of greatness. Even 40 years ago we weren't beating the SEC, Big 10 and PAC schools. We didn't even play them. In late 60s UCSB, CSULA were in the PCAA. I love to think back to those years, but there was a divide between major and minor conferences as there is now between P5 and G5 schools.
MAC: Kent St, Bowling Green, Toledo, Miami, Ohio, W. Mich MVC: Louisville, Drake, Tulsa, West Texas A&M, North Texas, Wichita State, Memphis St, NMSU Southern : East Carolina, Richmond, Wm. & Mary, Citdel, Davidson, VMI, Furman, App State
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 22, 2014 13:13:34 GMT -8
The College Football Association changed all of that. They started what is the ugly mess we have today.
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 22, 2014 13:17:59 GMT -8
Basically, big money ruins things eventually. Same could be said for pro sports.
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Post by Gundo on Nov 22, 2014 13:28:46 GMT -8
Here's 15 schools that have come a long way since the 70s and many this year are top 25 teams:
1. Arizona WAC to PAC 2. Arizona St WAC to PAC 3. Utah WAC to MWC to PAC 4. BYU WAC to Indy (BYU TV network) 5. TCU SWC to MWC to Big 12 6. Baylor SWC to Big 12 7. Sryacuse Indy to ACC 8. FSU Indy to ACC 9. WVU Indy to Big12 10. South Carolina Indy to SEC 11. GA Tech Indy to ACC 12. Louisville MVC to AAC to ACC 13. VA Tech Indy to ACC 14. Pitt Indy to ACC 15. Cincy Indy to AAC to ?
The academies continue to fall out of the picture with the new landscape, Army, Navy, Air Force, VMI and the Citadel are all non factors.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 22, 2014 13:57:18 GMT -8
The scariest thing is since that time, zero schools have moved down from FBS to FCS (1-A to 1-AA) while almost one a year has moved up. Every team who didn't take the moving down divisions option chose to end their programs.
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Post by Gundo on Nov 22, 2014 14:55:34 GMT -8
One theoretical question is if the P5 ever went to 5 super conferences of 16 teams where are the opportunities.
PAC - 12 to 16 +4 SEC - 14 to 16 +2 ACC - 14 to 16 +2 B1G - 14 to 16 +2 Big 12 - 10 to 16 +6
That leaves 16 schools out of the current 128 FBS to move around or up. But I don't see that happening in the near future, greed and money gets in the way. However, if the NCAA went to a 16 or even 24 team playoff, schools may get added to improve the odds of winning. 16 team divisions never play every conference team and all leagues would have an extra game for a confernce championship. The post season becomes January Jubilation (just like March Madness)
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Post by azteccc on Nov 22, 2014 15:46:39 GMT -8
I don't disagree with the sentiment that money and greed are ruining college sports... But what do you call our desire to jump to a higher conference? What is the motivation, if not purely money and greater competition? Just because we're lower than a Pac team or Big12 team, doesn't mean they're motivations are less pure than ours when we all want the same thing.
Why would a P5 want to share $20+ million with us when we don't want to share our $1 million with New Mexico?
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 15:56:24 GMT -8
I don't disagree with the sentiment that money and greed are ruining college sports... But what do you call our desire to jump to a higher conference? What is the motivation, if not purely money and greater competition? Just because we're lower than a Pac team or Big12 team, doesn't mean they're motivations are less pure than ours when we all want the same thing. Why would a P5 want to share $20+ million with us when we don't want to share our $1 million with New Mexico? Exactly, and the only reason they'd share with us, is if we brought a perceived benefit, which in turn, brought more revenue. In our case, many of us, see New Mexico as a clogged sewer line, with zero benefits--in football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 16:05:09 GMT -8
Here's 15 schools that have come a long way since the 70s and many this year are top 25 teams: 1. Arizona WAC to PAC 2. Arizona St WAC to PAC 3. Utah WAC to MWC to PAC 4. BYU WAC to Indy (BYU TV network) 5. TCU SWC to MWC to Big 12 6. Baylor SWC to Big 12 7. Sryacuse Indy to ACC 8. FSU Indy to ACC 9. WVU Indy to Big12 10. South Carolina Indy to SEC 11. GA Tech Indy to ACC 12. Louisville MVC to AAC to ACC 13. VA Tech Indy to ACC 14. Pitt Indy to ACC 15. Cincy Indy to AAC to ? The academies continue to fall out of the picture with the new landscape, Army, Navy, Air Force, VMI and the Citadel are all non factors. AFA, Army and Navy should be in a conference with similar smallish schools which highly emphasize academics. Something like this: Temple Army Navy Vanderbilt Tulane SMU Rice Tulsa AFA Too many contemporary conferences just don't make a whole lot of sense. The MWC is one that doesn't but the Big Sky is one that does. The conference above is like the Big Sky in being composed of schools which are similarly situated.
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Post by Gundo on Nov 22, 2014 21:22:53 GMT -8
Here's 15 schools that have come a long way since the 70s and many this year are top 25 teams: 1. Arizona WAC to PAC 2. Arizona St WAC to PAC 3. Utah WAC to MWC to PAC 4. BYU WAC to Indy (BYU TV network) 5. TCU SWC to MWC to Big 12 6. Baylor SWC to Big 12 7. Sryacuse Indy to ACC 8. FSU Indy to ACC 9. WVU Indy to Big12 10. South Carolina Indy to SEC 11. GA Tech Indy to ACC 12. Louisville MVC to AAC to ACC 13. VA Tech Indy to ACC 14. Pitt Indy to ACC 15. Cincy Indy to AAC to ? The academies continue to fall out of the picture with the new landscape, Army, Navy, Air Force, VMI and the Citadel are all non factors. AFA, Army and Navy should be in a conference with similar smallish schools which highly emphasize academics. Something like this: Temple Army Navy Vanderbilt Tulane SMU Rice Tulsa AFA Too many contemporary conferences just don't make a whole lot of sense. The MWC is one that doesn't but the Big Sky is one that does. The conference above is like the Big Sky in being composed of schools which are similarly situated. How about this Google sponsors the IQ Bowl that pits schools together with the highest graduation rates: Stanford vs Notre Dame? Duke vs Northwestern? Why not celebrate student athletes and say. f x x x you to the SEC, Big VII and ACC who don't value education?
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Post by retiredaztec on Nov 23, 2014 9:05:02 GMT -8
Basically, big money ruins things eventually. Same could be said for pro sports. Getting ready to start my day yesterday, I thought I heard correctly the interviewer ask the Harvard HC on Game Day, with a 30 BILLION dollar endowment why not ascend to the next, or highest, level of college athletics. His response was, though athletics is important it's not the highest priority, implying that education is. What a whackjob, right?
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 8:17:12 GMT -8
Basically, big money ruins things eventually. Same could be said for pro sports. It's infected HS sports too. It's disgusting how it has changed HS football.
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