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Post by standiego on Nov 19, 2014 17:43:43 GMT -8
unless the selection group tells the B12 it needs to expand for the playoffs they are not going to . it is all about the money . Know we do not like it but what Sterk is saying is most likely the truth .
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Post by adammclane on Nov 19, 2014 18:20:31 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand.
I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us. I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. He went into depth, the question came from an attendee. I won't share the second half of it because it wasn't clear what was public and what was not. The first part he has talked about before, that the school has commissioned a study of the Aztec viewership on TV and been very pleased. The assumption had been that we get beat by PAC-12 schools on TV in a lot of CA markets. So far, that's not true in SD county and some other markets. We do pretty well and having that data will help our case if we make an official bid to join another conference. It isn't just about the quality of your football team, it's about the viewership too.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 19, 2014 18:34:13 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand.
I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us. I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. Compare and contrast Sterk's lame response to CSU's AD (see SGF's link above). Leader versus drifter.
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 19, 2014 18:51:38 GMT -8
You do know that if you have a winning program (quality).. You get more eye balls = viewership.. Right.. They go hand in hand.
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Post by aztech on Nov 19, 2014 18:57:44 GMT -8
I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. He went into depth, the question came from an attendee. I won't share the second half of it because it wasn't clear what was public and what was not. The first part he has talked about before, that the school has commissioned a study of the Aztec viewership on TV and been very pleased. The assumption had been that we get beat by PAC-12 schools on TV in a lot of CA markets. So far, that's not true in SD county and some other markets. We do pretty well and having that data will help our case if we make an official bid to join another conference. It isn't just about the quality of your football team, it's about the viewership too. First and foremost the quality of football is important, it increases the viewership. Also we're limited from taking it even higher since we aren't often shown on more accessible sports channels, no thanks to Hair's goat contract.
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Post by Village Aztec on Nov 19, 2014 19:02:28 GMT -8
It seems to me that Basketball should have some value to the Big 12, and Basketball put our name on a National scale.
Every know the top 25 schools. Our competition does not have a top 20 basketball team.
So what if we get to the final 4. Everyone will know us.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Nov 19, 2014 19:16:27 GMT -8
The bigger question is, will this thread hit 50,000?
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Post by frustratedfan on Nov 19, 2014 19:40:37 GMT -8
5-5 just doesn't look that sexy. Bingo. That is 5 wins against the dregs of Division 1 football too. Hardly the kind of thing which would attract the Big 12 to us. As long as our administration continues to show absolutely no commitment to the football program you can forget all hope of ever even being considered by the Big 12 even with all the success our basketball program has had. As I mentioned in another thread, Colorado State understands the urgency of the situation and they are currently doing everything in their power to place themselves in the best position possible in case the Big 12 decides to expand. Our administration, on the other hand, is doing squat. They don't even provide enough funding to our football program to field a full coaching staff. As long as our administration continues to neglect the football program, any talk about the possibilities of being invited to the Big 12 (if they expand) is a complete waste of time. Our administration is satisfied just staying in an obscure and weak conference where you are invited to bottom feeder bowls where the school loses money instead of receiving money. It is frustrating to see other universities who understand the urgency of the situation and are trying to do everything in their power to be as attractive to the Big 12 while our administration just throws up their hands and plays the defeatist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 20:02:30 GMT -8
It seems to me that Basketball should have some value to the Big 12, and Basketball put our name on a National scale. Every know the top 25 schools. Our competition does not have a top 20 basketball team. So what if we get to the final 4. Everyone will know us. Zero value. We need fb to blow up.
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Post by standiego on Nov 19, 2014 20:22:24 GMT -8
What Sterk is saying is correct . Unlikely B12 wants to expand , so unless forced forget it . Any team that moves from G 5 to P5 is going to improve their team . But as most have been saying in over 50 pages it is all about the TV money for B12 . As stated in their commissioner's last comment . IF and BIG IF ,we are going to add a school or two , it would need to provide extra finance for the older schools in the conference.
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Post by adammclane on Nov 19, 2014 21:20:31 GMT -8
You do know that if you have a winning program (quality).. You get more eye balls = viewership.. Right.. They go hand in hand. First, the current numbers, as shared, were quite good. Yes, they were better for basketball than football. But even at our current level of play we are beating the PAC-12 in some key markets that the B12 would want to have their product on. I think that the viewership question is driving the thoughts about moving to the spread offense. Rocky basically said that, unrelated to the question about B12 membership. He said the viewing public wants to see games be 58-55 and throw the ball all over the field. The easiest way to increase eyeballs is to score more points. He pointed to TCU and you could just as easily look at Chip Kelly's Oregon teams. If you score more points more people come to games and more people watch on TV. He was also careful to point out that moving to the spread had negative implications for recruiting all of the unskilled positions. (O-line, D-line) And he said it'd have a big negative impact on the defense because they'd see the spread in practice constantly and not the schemes they come up against. But, IMO, those two things are related. (Spread offense --> More views --> Move to B12 --> Money to build x, y, z we need
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Post by azteccc on Nov 19, 2014 21:58:13 GMT -8
5-5 just doesn't look that sexy. the MOST sexy height, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 22:06:05 GMT -8
I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. He went into depth, the question came from an attendee. I won't share the second half of it because it wasn't clear what was public and what was not. The first part he has talked about before, that the school has commissioned a study of the Aztec viewership on TV and been very pleased. The assumption had been that we get beat by PAC-12 schools on TV in a lot of CA markets. So far, that's not true in SD county and some other markets. We do pretty well and having that data will help our case if we make an official bid to join another conference. It isn't just about the quality of your football team, it's about the viewership too. This is not possible. It has been proven here on AM that SDSU's entire administration does not think this way. This is not possible.
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Post by Gundo on Nov 19, 2014 23:59:40 GMT -8
I hear Fresno State is putting together a dowry of their prize sheep and goats. #baaameansbaaa
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 20, 2014 0:07:22 GMT -8
5-5 just doesn't look that sexy. the MOST sexy height, IMO. lol
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 20, 2014 3:14:11 GMT -8
unless the selection group tells the B12 it needs to expand for the playoffs they are not going to . it is all about the money . Know we do not like it but what Sterk is saying is most likely the truth . Well, if the B12 is blocked out of the final four in football this year and their champion has one loss, they will point to no conference championship game as one of the reasons for being omitted. As of today, they are on the outside of the bracket and if all four teams ahead win out, the B12 will be shut out. A conference championship gives them the boost of adding in a resume' game right before the final vote. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by adammclane on Nov 20, 2014 7:33:03 GMT -8
He went into depth, the question came from an attendee. I won't share the second half of it because it wasn't clear what was public and what was not. The first part he has talked about before, that the school has commissioned a study of the Aztec viewership on TV and been very pleased. The assumption had been that we get beat by PAC-12 schools on TV in a lot of CA markets. So far, that's not true in SD county and some other markets. We do pretty well and having that data will help our case if we make an official bid to join another conference. It isn't just about the quality of your football team, it's about the viewership too. This is not possible. It has been proven here on AM that SDSU's entire administration does not think this way. This is not possible. Yes. We know that B12 expansion hinges on the quality of AM!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 8:32:00 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand. I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us. The only "Ducks" SDSU needs to get in a row for conference expansion is the dang football team. Stripping it down to brass tacks, whatever that actually means, you've hit the nail on the head. Wish I could think of another cliche to try to lighten things up but if the B12 expands to 14 or 16 and we don't get offered admission, our underachieving football program we be the only reason. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 8:33:33 GMT -8
I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. He went into depth, the question came from an attendee. I won't share the second half of it because it wasn't clear what was public and what was not. The first part he has talked about before, that the school has commissioned a study of the Aztec viewership on TV and been very pleased. The assumption had been that we get beat by PAC-12 schools on TV in a lot of CA markets. So far, that's not true in SD county and some other markets. We do pretty well and having that data will help our case if we make an official bid to join another conference. It isn't just about the quality of your football team, it's about the viewership too. Please tell us you aren't trying to say that they're mutually exclusive.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 20, 2014 8:39:58 GMT -8
When Hoke was here, he created a buzz about the program which I hadn't seen or heard in many years. Aztec Football began getting attention again, and the invisibility factor was lifting. But the seltzer water went flat when Sterk did his Hokey Pokey, hired Rocky, and the Klingons returned with their Cloaking Device. Presto, SDSU Football was again hidden from the nation. Most I'm sure, feel that this is a football only school, which easily explains why the announcers---even at a football game where our team was marginally present--- made not even a passing remark about SDSU in the Big 12 mix. No, not surprising at all.
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