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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 19, 2014 10:45:33 GMT -8
I watched the Boise game on TV Saturday night. As you probably know, the BYU-UNLV game ran late. (The two head coaches chatted so amiably at midfield after the game, you would have thought they were long lost brothers who had just been reunited!  ) Anyway, the announcers mentioned Bronco Mendenhall's thoughts on the future of BYU football. They said that Bronco has stated that in the best interests of their program, BYU needs to join the Big-12. Then one of them mentioned that a second school would need to be added to the Big-12 as well to balance the addition of BYU. One of them suggested Colorado State as a possibility. Also mentioned was the possibility of adding one of the Florida schools; I think they may have mentioned Central Florida.
San Diego State was not mentioned as a possibility.
My guess is that, despite its attractive assets, most people outside this area, do not even think of the possibility of adding the Aztecs. Additionally, I think the ignoring of SDSU is not because people disrespect our school. No, I just think that most people east of California assume that any Big-12 additions are going to be schools closer to the country's heartland.
I also have to wonder whether the failed Boise/SDSU to the Big East deal may have hurt our chances. Let's face it, we are way out on a limb, geographically speaking. If I climb a fruit tree, I'm going to pick the fruit nearest the trunk. There may be some good looking fruit way out on a limb, but why bother to go after it when there is fruit I can reach with no trouble?
AzWm Edit: I added the word "possible" to the thread title since what was mentioned by the announcers was, except for quoting the BYU coach, just speculation. |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 19, 2014 10:55:58 GMT -8
BYU and UCF are close to the top of the list for the Big 12. CSU, Boise and SDSU are loooong shots.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 11:23:11 GMT -8
BYU and UCF are close to the top of the list for the Big 12. CSU, Boise and SDSU are loooong shots. BYU is at the absolute top because of its national identity. Boise may have the same but it's to a much lesser extent and the Broncos bring virtually nothing in terms of hometown TV eyes. CSU and SDSU? Neither of us has been close to being what used to be called a BCS Buster and will now be called something like an Access Bowl Invitee. UCF? Simply being the final BCS Buster last year elevated its status to far above ours and CSU's as you said. However, nobody has said Cincinnati and as long as WVU doesn't get added to the ACC, Cincy is the third leading school for B12 admission. My guess is the B12 would currently rank them like this:
First TierBYU Cincinnati UCF Second TierCSU ECU Memphis SDSU USF Third TierAFA Fresno Houston UConn Fourth TierSMU Tulane UNM UNLV Because of our locations and academics, if we or CSU becomes the G5 Invitee, we move up to the first tier. Since that isn't necessarily true of the other three tier two schools, if the B12 expands to 14 or 16 members and one of them isn't SDSU, I'll always think the only reason was that our school didn't make football enough of a priority. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:25:10 GMT -8
This from a thread started by a CSU fan on the MWC board: www.colostate.edu/stadium/20141119/athletics-analysis.pdfSee page 4 of the report under "conference affiliation." As with SDSU, their athletics department has now officially announced that they want out of the MWC. However, their athletics department has been spending months trying to raise money to build a new stadium. And their school has similarly put aside money to pay its head football coach more than anybody in the MWC. And it sure looks from here like it's paying off in terms of wins. Apologies in advance for the negativity to those who dislike reading it. |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 19, 2014 16:32:50 GMT -8
People need to give up on the SDSU to a P5 conference. It's a waste of time. If it happens it happens but don't expect it to happen.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 19, 2014 16:35:45 GMT -8
Colorado State is a "flavor of the month". No leg to stand on. Utah and TCU had laid an impressive foundation over years and decades before they bounced for greener pastures (as had BYU to a certain extent). The Rams football program is a semi-nice story for 2014 (so far) and that's about it.
Green-lighting them for a P5 spot is way premature.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 19, 2014 16:37:47 GMT -8
They'll stick to a regional pair. I doubt they'd go for one Florida and Western school a it makes little sense.
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Post by standiego on Nov 19, 2014 16:42:04 GMT -8
BYU has been begging even worse then SDSU and others for a bid from the B12 . The B12 has all the leverage and as of today ,has not extended an invitation to anyone . Most important for the B12 is trying to get any B12 team an invite to the Playoffs . The WVU AD is on the selection group . So if they tell him ,you need to have a " Championship Game " to get some one in . Then the B12 moves on it . But what happens if he asks , what if the top 2 teams in our conference have a " special game " after the season is over ? Would that help ? Or if there is expansion of the Playoffs to 6 or 8 or 16 teams ?
No expansion unless forced . Then the merits of who provides the best MONEY deal for the conference , or maybe they toss it out there of the finalists , what school is willing to start at the lowest % of the TV money given to the conference?
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 19, 2014 16:43:17 GMT -8
5-5 just doesn't look that sexy.
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Post by aztech on Nov 19, 2014 16:48:25 GMT -8
BYU and UCF are close to the top of the list for the Big 12. CSU, Boise and SDSU are loooong shots. I highly doubt that BYU will ever be invited into a P5 conference. That LDS thing makes them a pariah within the academic community. If it was only about sports, they'd be a shoo in. |
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Post by uncledougy on Nov 19, 2014 16:53:02 GMT -8
The Big East deal has zero effect on anything going forward.
If I were looking at it, it would actually be a positive. Joining the AAC would have been a lateral move at best. It would be even harder to change conferences again in 2 or 3 or 4 years.
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Post by uncledougy on Nov 19, 2014 16:55:17 GMT -8
BYU and UCF are close to the top of the list for the Big 12. CSU, Boise and SDSU are loooong shots. I highly doubt that BYU will ever be invited into a P5 conference. That LDS thing makes them a pariah within the academic community. If it was only about sports, they'd be a shoo in. I imagine if BYU was going to be in a P5, they would have already done so. I don't think too many folks want to deal with the "special rules" that come along with their membership. |
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Post by myownwords on Nov 19, 2014 17:02:29 GMT -8
This from a thread started by a CSU fan on the MWC board: www.colostate.edu/stadium/20141119/athletics-analysis.pdfSee page 4 of the report under "conference affiliation." As with SDSU, their athletics department has now officially announced that they want out of the MWC. However, their athletics department has been spending months trying to raise money to build a new stadium. And their school has similarly put aside money to pay its head football coach more than anybody in the MWC. And it sure looks from here like it's paying off in terms of wins. Apologies in advance for the negativity to those who dislike reading it. Wow, what a breath of fresh air, from CSU's AD and administration who actually display a dedication to promoting the football program, as opposed to the fetid air we must breathe, smothering SDSU, from our pusillanimous "leadership". |
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 19, 2014 17:07:26 GMT -8
One thing that BYU can do.. is beat Power 5 teams
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Post by Gundo on Nov 19, 2014 17:11:24 GMT -8
basketball would run the table this year...football not so much/
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 19, 2014 17:14:18 GMT -8
Sterk is on 1090 right now. Scott making excuses about our schedule. Child please.
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Post by adammclane on Nov 19, 2014 17:19:34 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand.
I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us.
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Post by laaztec on Nov 19, 2014 17:23:05 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand. I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us. The only "Ducks" SDSU needs to get in a row for conference expansion is the dang football team. |
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Post by AZK619 on Nov 19, 2014 17:35:46 GMT -8
But the schedule was so tough. But injuries. But they were favored, but, but.. No answers.
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Post by aztech on Nov 19, 2014 17:39:33 GMT -8
A good bit of discussion about this at Monday's coaches lunch. Sterk basically said what he's said for months... the Big 12 is not actively looking to expand. They want to wait a year or two more to see how things shake out with the new football playoff, but that SDSU is taking the steps they'd need to do to get their ducks in a row if the Big 12 does look to expand.
I kind of like the MWC, personally. But I'm happy to support our program wherever that leads us. I take it nobody asked him to elaborate. |
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) Anyway, the announcers mentioned Bronco Mendenhall's thoughts on the future of BYU football. They said that Bronco has stated that in the best interests of their program, BYU needs to join the Big-12. Then one of them mentioned that a second school would need to be added to the Big-12 as well to balance the addition of BYU. One of them suggested Colorado State as a possibility. Also mentioned was the possibility of adding one of the Florida schools; I think they may have mentioned Central Florida.
