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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 24, 2014 13:51:55 GMT -8
Hillman had NFL WRs and an NFL QB with a rocket arm defenses also had to worry about.
Defenses don't have to worry about any of our WRs or our QB beating them with DP.
That's a huge differences on how teams defend us. The fact, DP has put up those numbers despite what he's surrounded by, tips the argument in his favor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:08:56 GMT -8
Both played with Muema. Pumphrey had a better YPC than Muema (6.0 v 4.9). Hillman had a worse YPC than Muema (5.5 v 6.0). Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that Hillman was the feature back to Muema, while Muema was the feature back to Pumphrey? The more carries you're gonna have, the lower your your average is gonna be. Stupid comparison. 2011 Hillman 311 carries to Muema's 422013 Muema 256 carries to Pumphrey's 125
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Post by danloc09 on Oct 24, 2014 15:09:02 GMT -8
Results matter. 5.5 YPC Ronnie Hillman (2011) 5.8 YPC Ronnie Hillman (2010) 6.9 YPC Donnel Pumphrey (2014) 6.0 YPC Donnel Pumphrey (2013) I like Pumphrey better. Projecting how Pumphrey will be as an NFL player versus what Hillman has done is not a valid method to compare the two, for our purposes. Both played with Muema. Pumphrey had a better YPC than Muema (6.0 v 4.9). Hillman had a worse YPC than Muema (5.5 v 6.0). Number of carries matters too. Hillman had a large percentage of the teams carries.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 24, 2014 15:22:44 GMT -8
Results matter. 5.5 YPC Ronnie Hillman (2011) 5.8 YPC Ronnie Hillman (2010) 6.9 YPC Donnel Pumphrey (2014) 6.0 YPC Donnel Pumphrey (2013) I like Pumphrey better. Projecting how Pumphrey will be as an NFL player versus what Hillman has done is not a valid method to compare the two, for our purposes. Both played with Muema. Pumphrey had a better YPC than Muema (6.0 v 4.9). Hillman had a worse YPC than Muema (5.5 v 6.0). Number of carries matters too. Hillman had a large percentage of the teams carries. Pumphrey is projected to have a similar number of carries as Hillman. Gms Att Yards Avg 13 262 1532 5.8 Hillman 2010 13 311 1711 5.5 Hillman 2011 07 144 0989 6.9 Pump current data 13 267 1837 6.9 Pump projected 13 games Pumphrey is on pace to have 5 more carries than Hillman did in his sophomore season and over 300 more yards. To match Hillman, Pump needs to carry the ball 118 times for 543 yards. That is 4.6 yards per carry. Att Yrds Avg 276 1594 5.8 Our current team rushing totals Pumphrey has put up so much better numbers than Hillman that our team's current rushing stats are better than Hillman's in 2010.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 24, 2014 15:29:28 GMT -8
Both played with Muema. Pumphrey had a better YPC than Muema (6.0 v 4.9). Hillman had a worse YPC than Muema (5.5 v 6.0). Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that Hillman was the feature back to Muema, while Muema was the feature back to Pumphrey? The more carries you're gonna have, the lower your your average is gonna be. Stupid comparison. 2011 Hillman 311 carries to Muema's 422013 Muema 256 carries to Pumphrey's 125 6.9 Pumphrey 4.5 Chase Prince The logic of your contention is not based upon reality. Fact is that Muema and Pumphrey are great backs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:35:53 GMT -8
What does Chase PRICE (btw) have to do with this, I thought Muema was the common denominator in your comparison of Hillman and Pumphrey. Fact is Hillman is a great back too and he had 6 1/2 times the carries that Muema did that year. Pump has twice as many as Price.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 24, 2014 15:45:40 GMT -8
What does Chase PRICE (btw) have to do with this, I thought Muema was the common denominator in your comparison of Hillman and Pumphrey. Fact is Hillman is a great back too and he had 6 1/2 times the carries that Muema did that year. Pump has twice as many as Price. You said Muema and Pumphrey had a higher yards per carry because they were backups. Price is a backup too. Why isn't his yards per carry higher, if what you said was true? I really like Hillman but Pumphrey is blowing his stats away. It isn't even close.
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Post by bschmurda on Oct 24, 2014 16:08:49 GMT -8
Hillman had NFL WRs and an NFL QB with a rocket arm defenses also had to worry about. Defenses don't have to worry about any of our WRs or our QB beating them with DP. That's a huge differences on how teams defend us. The fact, DP has put up those numbers despite what he's surrounded by, tips the argument in his favor. His 2nd year the WR were walk on Denso and converted DB Lockett...
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 24, 2014 16:20:01 GMT -8
Hillman had NFL WRs and an NFL QB with a rocket arm defenses also had to worry about. Defenses don't have to worry about any of our WRs or our QB beating them with DP. That's a huge differences on how teams defend us. The fact, DP has put up those numbers despite what he's surrounded by, tips the argument in his favor. His 2nd year the WR were walk on Denso and converted DB Lockett... And in his second year his yards per carry dropped from 5.8 to 5.5. Yet Pumphrey has 6.9. That is more than a yard for every carry he has. So go ahead and use his year with two 1,200+ yard WR and NFL TE, he still can't come within a yard per carry of Pump. Pumphrey is going for 300+ yards for the sky show - you heard it here first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 16:32:59 GMT -8
I'd like to get into this with you Mr. Spock, but I've got to head up to Solana Beach for some stage diving and crowd surfing to The Afghan Whigs (its 1994 all over again! oh the joy!) I'll settle up later.
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Post by bschmurda on Oct 24, 2014 16:56:48 GMT -8
His 2nd year the WR were walk on Denso and converted DB Lockett... And in his second year his yards per carry dropped from 5.8 to 5.5. Yet Pumphrey has 6.9. That is more than a yard for every carry he has. So go ahead and use his year with two 1,200+ yard WR and NFL TE, he still can't come within a yard per carry of Pump. Pumphrey is going for 300+ yards for the sky show - you heard it here first. They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad I hope he does btw
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Post by theoracle on Oct 24, 2014 16:58:56 GMT -8
If that 225 yards game was against Washington State, that's not all that impressive to write home about. And in his second year his yards per carry dropped from 5.8 to 5.5. Yet Pumphrey has 6.9. That is more than a yard for every carry he has. So go ahead and use his year with two 1,200+ yard WR and NFL TE, he still can't come within a yard per carry of Pump. Pumphrey is going for 300+ yards for the sky show - you heard it here first. They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad I hope he does btw
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Post by Aztec Law on Oct 24, 2014 18:11:17 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 24, 2014 18:32:03 GMT -8
And in his second year his yards per carry dropped from 5.8 to 5.5. Yet Pumphrey has 6.9. That is more than a yard for every carry he has. So go ahead and use his year with two 1,200+ yard WR and NFL TE, he still can't come within a yard per carry of Pump. Pumphrey is going for 300+ yards for the sky show - you heard it here first. They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad I hope he does btw Their running styles are very similar. Pumphery averaged more yards per attempt against the P5 than Hillman averaged overall.
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Post by aztec92 on Oct 24, 2014 20:36:39 GMT -8
I think Hillman had a higher ceiling as a runner in college than Pumphery has, but I think Pumphery is doing an overall better job running the ball. The problem with Ronnie was that he would dance to much behind the line of scrimmage. Pumphery doesn't do that.
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 24, 2014 21:06:25 GMT -8
How soon we forget and how quick we are to name someone better.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 24, 2014 21:30:43 GMT -8
Six of one, half dozen of the other. They're both really good. Hillman was a tad tougher (bigger, stronger), but Pumphrey is a tad faster. I wouldn't turn either of them down if they wanted to play for my team.
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Post by Aztec For Life on Oct 24, 2014 21:47:56 GMT -8
If that 225 yards game was against Washington State, that's not all that impressive to write home about. They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad Missouri- quite impressive day for ronnie I hope he does btw
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Post by bschmurda on Oct 24, 2014 22:05:21 GMT -8
If that 225 yards game was against Washington State, that's not all that impressive to write home about. They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad I hope he does btw It was @mizzou he had 190 vs WSU
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Post by bschmurda on Oct 24, 2014 22:13:16 GMT -8
They have different rushing style, it effects their average but doesn't represent talent Get back to me once Pump goes for 225+ vs a P5 squad I hope he does btw Their running styles are very similar. Pumphery averaged more yards per attempt against the P5 than Hillman averaged overall. Are we watching the same players? The averages are skewed because Ronnie was a homerun hitter, he danced around the hole a lot, cut back and went side to side, he would make a lot of guys miss, and changed gears fast Pump always hits the hole hard, he rarely gets stopped in the back field, he's always going forward, he usually makes one guy miss with a dirty cut and goes off all in the same gear
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