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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 17:36:45 GMT -8
I see Rocky as a caretaker, maintaining the status quo as long as he stubbornly insists on taking on two full time jobs at his age.
He would likely be more effective if he could focus on just being HC.
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 11, 2014 17:40:22 GMT -8
How do you Eric, see our Record in comparison to 1990 on? Thats the real question. Funny you should ask that question. I was watching the game with a friend and we discussed that very thing. The Faulk years the program was on the cusp of perennial top 25. The D was terrible, but man what an offense. Enter TT and a new president and the whole athletic department went to hell. Football was close to one of the worst in the country. Since then SDSU hasn't bothered to build a solid foundation. Craft was hired on the cheap and given a kmart budget, no one wanted the job. Chuck was brought it and built a little better depth, but he was the flash coach who thought he could slap a coat of pain on and make a run for a Big XII gig. He left the roster full of holes in depth. Hoke came in, but bailed before he got started. Rocky isn't even an SDSU alumni, yet like Fisher he has put the program on his back and stabalized it. He may or may not ever get in the top 25 ( I think he will), but He is starting to work on the next phase of building, and bring in some very good tallent. Still a few missing pieces, but the program is in solid shape for the 1st time in 20 years. Rocky has done his part to build a team, there is a 1000 things going on on the backend we cant see, and next year I think we get a first look at a complete program with major potential for the 1st time in almost 20 years. If Rocky doesn't get it done, well the program is in the condition where a "Name" coach might actually consider.
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Post by aztecbo on Oct 11, 2014 18:10:45 GMT -8
How about "Other"?
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 11, 2014 18:49:39 GMT -8
Rocky is doing great and a quality QB could have the Aztecs playing on New Years day. We have great D, special teams, and run game. Add a passing threat and Aztecs would be very tough. There is a positive feedback in college sports. A little success, like a magic season, could set up recruiting and fans for years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 19:10:23 GMT -8
Is there a GIVE IT A FREAKIN' REST option? I vote for that.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 19:13:42 GMT -8
Two years ago there was serious discontent because Rocky refused to hire a DC. He still refuses to hire a DC, and as he gets older and older he is going to have a harder and harder time pulling off both full time jobs competently. He's muddling his way through now, but he's not as effective as a HC as he could and should be, and he won't get any better as HC until he hires a DC.
A lot of people forget that I was one of Rocky's staunchest supporters and defenders when there were literally dozens of people on this board bemoaning his hiring in the first place, and they then raked him over the coals during the season. I defended Rocky as the right guy for the job at the time, and noted that he was a good coach who had done a good job at New Mexico.
Some people forget that.
I still think Rocky is a good coach, but he's taken on too much. He can't handle two full time jobs at a high enough level to elevate this program. He's been part of the recruiting for this program for six years now. These are his guys, and he's not going to get better as a coach at his age.
And, AztecBill, the fact that we do not have a quality QB is all on Rocky. He is in charge of recruiting, and has been for almost four years now, and he was a part of the recruiting team for an additional two years before that.
I supported him for two years. Last year the team underperformed, struggling to beat and even losing to bad teams. My unquestioning support ended there. I still support him to a point (I don't believe that the program will ever fall below .500 with Rocky as head coach), but I don't believe that he's ever going to get this program to 10 wins in the regular season. That's a number that we should be able to achieve. If Boise and Nevada (among others) have been able to get 10 win regular seasons in recent years, there is absolutely no reason that we can't.
The funny thing is, a lot of you who are giving me a bunch of crap for criticizing Rocky are the same ones who were yourselves criticizing him 3 years ago and I was the one defending him. A forgotten fact.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 11, 2014 19:32:44 GMT -8
Two years ago there was serious discontent because Rocky refused to hire a DC. He still refuses to hire a DC, and as he gets older and older he is going to have a harder and harder time pulling off both full time jobs competently. He's muddling his way through now, but he's not as effective as a HC as he could and should be, and he won't get any better as HC until he hires a DC. A lot of people forget that I was one of Rocky's staunchest supporters and defenders when there were literally dozens of people on this board bemoaning his hiring in the first place, and they then raked him over the coals during the season. I defended Rocky as the right guy for the job at the time, and noted that he was a good coach who had done a good job at New Mexico. Some people forget that. I still think Rocky is a good coach, but he's taken on too much. He can't handle two full time jobs at a high enough level to elevate this program. He's been part of the recruiting for this program for six years now. These are his guys, and he's not going to get better as a coach at his age. And, AztecBill, the fact that we do not have a quality QB is all on Rocky. He is in charge of recruiting, and has been for almost four years now, and he was a part of the recruiting team for an additional two years before that. I supported him for two years. Last year the team underperformed, struggling to beat and even losing to bad teams. My unquestioning support ended there. I still support him to a point (I don't believe that the program will ever fall below .500 with Rocky as head coach), but I don't believe that he's ever going to get this program to 10 wins in the regular season. That's a number that we should be able to achieve. If Boise and Nevada (among others) have been able to get 10 win regular seasons in recent years, there is absolutely no reason that we can't. The funny thing is, a lot of you who are giving me a bunch of crap for criticizing Rocky are the same ones who were yourselves criticizing him 3 years ago and I was the one defending him. A forgotten fact. Rocky is not old. I like that Rocky turns the offense over to the OC on game day. A lot of HC can't let go and micro manage that side of things. The defense doesn't seem to suffer from his dual duties and the rest of it seems OK too. Having an experienced quality QB right now would have required Hoke to recruit him. (Red shirt junior or senior)
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 19:38:17 GMT -8
Rocky is retirement age (almost 65). By coaching standards these days that's pretty old. Too old to be taking on double duty, and as we've struggled to beat bad teams (and have lost to some) over the last two seasons I'd say his divided time is showing on the field.
I would love to see how far this program could go under Rocky IF he wasn't so damned stubborn and would just hire a real DC. He did it at New Mexico - when he was younger and had more energy to devote to the job! Why the hell won't he do that here? His own answers indicate that he's just stubborn and doesn't trust anyone else to do it - even though it was done successfully with his system in New Mexico. His behavior is that of a stubborn old man rather than a vital, creative coach willing to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to win every possible game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 20:16:06 GMT -8
Rocky is retirement age (almost 65). By coaching standards these days that's pretty old. Too old to be taking on double duty, and as we've struggled to beat bad teams (and have lost to some) over the last two seasons I'd say his divided time is showing on the field. I would love to see how far this program could go under Rocky IF he wasn't so damned stubborn and would just hire a real DC. He did it at New Mexico - when he was younger and had more energy to devote to the job! Why the hell won't he do that here? His own answers indicate that he's just stubborn and doesn't trust anyone else to do it - even though it was done successfully with his system in New Mexico. His behavior is that of a stubborn old man rather than a vital, creative coach willing to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to win every possible game. The defense is playing very well. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Find a new fixation that actually makes some sense and spare us all.
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Post by RockNFish on Oct 11, 2014 20:32:44 GMT -8
Rocky is retirement age (almost 65). By coaching standards these days that's pretty old. Too old to be taking on double duty, and as we've struggled to beat bad teams (and have lost to some) over the last two seasons I'd say his divided time is showing on the field. I would love to see how far this program could go under Rocky IF he wasn't so damned stubborn and would just hire a real DC. He did it at New Mexico - when he was younger and had more energy to devote to the job! Why the hell won't he do that here? His own answers indicate that he's just stubborn and doesn't trust anyone else to do it - even though it was done successfully with his system in New Mexico. His behavior is that of a stubborn old man rather than a vital, creative coach willing to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to win every possible game. Yeah this isn't a fire Rocky thread
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Post by Proud Aztec on Oct 11, 2014 20:43:11 GMT -8
Rocky is a fundamental old school coach. When I listen to him on the radio breaking down plays and discuss strategies it is obvious he knows his stuff. He is a fundamentalist for sure but certainly not a " innovationist" (yes, I made up that word). With our limited talents he tries to put them in the best position to win with fundamental plays (predictable) rather inventing something "out of the box" to tailor to their talents. I still like the guy though, straight forward and transparent.
As for Bob Toledo, some of the 1st down and 2nd down play calls are just too darnn "innovative" or "cute" as many on this board like to call it.
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 11, 2014 20:55:59 GMT -8
Can we hang up this "objective poll and not a fire Rocky thread?" It's clear there is a 2/3 majority against the desired response.
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Post by walkonfan on Oct 11, 2014 21:46:35 GMT -8
Rocky Long has the program moving in the right direction. The primary key to future sustainability is whether the AZTECS can progress to be very competitive with the PAC 12 teams, if that happens AZTECS will continue to improve its talent. If Rocky can recruit and coach up the players to this level then the AZTECS program could accomplish any of its goals. This is year 5 of which he has been head coach for his third year. Over the next two years are key to whether AZTECS will get to that competitive level. Positives: 1. Very competitive running backs in the program over next two years; 2. Very competitive offensive line in the program over next two years; 3. Competitiv inebacking corps in the program 4. Young corners and safeties in program should get better; 5. Very athletic special teams should improve; 6. Competitive kicking specialist already in program; 7. Defensive lines look to have good starters and depth over next two years; Challenges for next two years: 1. Develop highly competitive starting QB and Back-up for next two seasons. The QBs currently in the program are what he has towork with.Rodriquez, Bawden, Champman on of these must develop to ensue success; 2. It is unclear whether the wide receivers currently in the program will develop into dominate wide receivers. Need receivers that fight and go ge the ball, and have glue on there hands. Thus far Judge has exhibited these qualities when healthy, all the other receivers do not look physical enough, and drop passes. So physical development is a must and/or coaching change may be necessary. 3. Receiving Tight Ends are a necessity, the young tight ends in Richardson and Wells must develop; 4. The overall size of the safeties physical should bigger so can provide more run support better. Rocky must be given the next two years to get it done. All indications are that next two years are the reward years. If you try to bring in a new coaching staff the program will be set back at least 3 years. So let it play out the next two years. I see the AZTECS still playing with toughness, and never quit attitude. Other than the QB play, the mistakes are a result of young players trying to make plays. GO STATE! walkonfann
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Post by fisherville on Oct 11, 2014 21:52:33 GMT -8
Rocky is retirement age (almost 65). By coaching standards these days that's pretty old. Too old to be taking on double duty, and as we've struggled to beat bad teams (and have lost to some) over the last two seasons I'd say his divided time is showing on the field. I would love to see how far this program could go under Rocky IF he wasn't so damned stubborn and would just hire a real DC. He did it at New Mexico - when he was younger and had more energy to devote to the job! Why the hell won't he do that here? His own answers indicate that he's just stubborn and doesn't trust anyone else to do it - even though it was done successfully with his system in New Mexico. His behavior is that of a stubborn old man rather than a vital, creative coach willing to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to win every possible game. The defense is playing very well. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Find a new fixation that actually makes some sense and spare us all. No, not really, they just are playing teams that are awful on offense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 22:00:44 GMT -8
The D is the best part of this team and has played well all year. Don't worry, bb will start pretty soon and you can talk with your pals about Kawhi's hands.
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 11, 2014 22:13:02 GMT -8
Is it me or did post in this thread get Deleted?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 22:24:45 GMT -8
Is it me or did post in this thread get Deleted? Posts with insults, attacks, or inflammatory personal criticisms of other board members are against forum rules. We can't catch everything, but when we do such posts are deleted.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 11, 2014 22:25:23 GMT -8
The D is the best part of this team and has played well all year. No, the run game is better. List of teams we have played by PPG T33. UNC 74. Fresno State 76. Oregon State T85. UNM 116. UNLV
So of the 5 FBS games we have played 1 top half offense.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Oct 11, 2014 22:26:44 GMT -8
My concern with Rocky is that he will never get the program to consistent 9-10 win seasons. That's a ridiculous expectation, I admit, but I perceive that as necessary to get a seat at the table.
If this were 2005, I'd be thrilled with where we're at. But right now, there's no room to be a solid non-BCS program that fills a Boise-esque role for the big boys. It's not put up or shut up, it's be one of the top 2 non P5 schools EVERY year or succumb to always being in contention for tallest midget. The MWC isn't relevant, and I want SDSU football to be relevant.
He deserves a lot of credit, but if you needed to win 30k in 3 days you're not grinding it out. We need a lottery ticket, not a treasury bond.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 11, 2014 22:55:13 GMT -8
Is Rocky one the top 25 college coaches in America?...probably not (all of those top 25 coaches are currently coaching at a P5 school) Is Rocky one of the best coaches at the mid-major level? Absolutely...in the top 5 Is Rocky a great value in term of wins versus salary ($800K /yr)? Absolutely...again in the top 5 Are there funds available to pay a top 25 coach...luring them away from a P5 program? Absolutely not...no way SDSU coughs up $3M /yr plus at least another $2M /yr for assistants...(double that number for a top 10 coach) Rocky's teams show toughness and tenacity...his recruiting classes are improving each year adding depth to each position...we continue to send talent to the NFL each year...Rocky has the best W-L record in 30 years...we have been to 4 straight bowl games... The real enemy isn't Rocky Long or Jim Sterk...the real enemy to all Aztec fans are the ADs at every P5 school, the league commissioners at every P5 conference and ESPN / NBC / CBS / Fox who have shut out SDSU from their party...and there is NOTHING we can do about it. We are where we are...so we better figure out how to make the best of it...and Rocky is one of those choices. This. Rocky is terrific and has done a terrific job with resources at his disposal. Wish more Aztec fans would look in the mirror rather than ripping rocky. The program needs supporters to get to the next level not a new coach.
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