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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 13:24:10 GMT -8
Wouldn't it be better for a student athlete to retain his ability to transfer without losing a year of eligibility? Can't a player apply for an extra year of eligibility after 4 years? What advantage does a player have in redshirting?
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Post by fisherville on Oct 1, 2014 13:34:52 GMT -8
Wouldn't it be better for a student athlete to retain his ability to transfer without losing a year of eligibility? Can't a player apply for an extra year of eligibility after 4 years? What advantage does a player have in redshirting? None.
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Post by azteccc on Oct 1, 2014 15:34:10 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you but Bail had setbacks on an injury, we are far from syracuse's class as well. FGCU guy was not a 4 star by any major outlet. I'll be done after this psot because my only contention is that it is still a possibility, nowhere near forgone a conclusion as you want to make. Also because I'm too stoked about the season to argue about it any more. But if you're argument rests on comparing a top 5 class to a top 20 class, or the prestige of which outlets rank a guy 3 or 4 stars, well then... Like I said, not saying it will happen, but just looking over the last few years it would obviously not be without precedent. Hopefully Zylan and Malik both get healthy soon and come in firing on all cylinders ASAP.
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Post by Lloyd on Oct 1, 2014 16:11:34 GMT -8
I hope that neither redshirt. They both have a high enough ceiling that they may not stay in college for four years. Plus, like all teams we will have injuries during the year, and we'll likely need them in January and later when conference play is underway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 18:04:11 GMT -8
Pope hasn't played a minute of competitive basketball since January 2013. Cheatham should be back in December, after we've already played about 10 games. It's hard enough for a true frosh to crack the rotation. Clearly, Pope will not play as well as he could have had he not been injured. It will take time to get back up to speed and knock some of the rust off. My guess is that he has been spending a lot of time shooting the basketball. His focus on that part of his game can really be an asset for this team. Had he not been injured he likely would be far more polished and showing that polish on another team. The real question is not "how much better if..." But rather, " Is he good enough to help is now." When healthy he gives us something that we have never had. He is skilled and athletic. Our players have typically been one or the other. Certainly, many of our players developed more skill overtime. I am stoked to see how the season pans out.
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Post by whitehawk on Oct 1, 2014 18:04:52 GMT -8
FWIW, I personally think both will play this year. You can argue all day about redshirt or no redshirt, but to quote Fisher on this issue: "It works itself out."
GO AZTECS!!! #BelieveTheHype #Win20 #BeatFSU
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Post by benaztecfan on Oct 1, 2014 18:08:52 GMT -8
I agree, both will play this year.....and it's gonna be exciting!!!
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 1, 2014 18:14:56 GMT -8
If a player can play in January he should play and not redshirt. If he is not good enough to leave before his senior year, he is not so good that he can't be replaced. If he redshirts and leaves before his senior year and the Aztecs are that (holding finger very close together) close to winning an elite 8 game, we would all be very upset that he redshirted. There is a lot of basketball left to be played after December. Redshirting players who can play is non-top-25 thinking. They need even 8 minutes a game this year to be ready for next year. Remember Jamaal played very little his freshman year but used that experience to know what to work on and that experience to vault into a POY award and great season for the Aztecs. If Franklin did redshirt his freshman year, the Aztecs nor he would have benefited in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:08:33 GMT -8
I see a redshirt as likely negative for the team too. I have not really seen any of our guys make leaps of development until they actually start to play. If a player isn't good enough to play some now, will he ever. If not, or we just extending a semi-wasted scholarship for an additional year.
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Post by csfoster on Oct 1, 2014 20:36:27 GMT -8
Pope hasn't played a minute of competitive basketball since January 2013. Cheatham should be back in December, after we've already played about 10 games. It's hard enough for a true frosh to crack the rotation. They only have to be ready for March Madness!
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Post by adammclane on Oct 1, 2014 22:24:46 GMT -8
I expect Pope to be fine but Z to sit for 2014-2015 to heal up. I'll be thrilled if I'm wrong!
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Post by Gundo on Oct 1, 2014 23:54:42 GMT -8
I expect Pope to be fine but Z to sit for 2014-2015 to heal up. I'll be thrilled if I'm wrong! Z has a lot to prove. The kid gained his edibility, by making up a year of school this summer. And now this? I doubt he wants to sit and red shirt. I wouldn't.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 2, 2014 6:13:38 GMT -8
Red shirting isnt a bad thing. If I was a kid that couldn't play the whole season red shirting would be a great way to preserve the year. A couple years from now everyone would be very happy that Z red shirted this year and have him for another full season on the other end. As much as I was looking forward to watching Z, I would hate to see him on the bench in February. I believe it is much more important to have Z at full strength 3 years from now than have him a quarter of the season this year.
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Post by aztecron on Oct 2, 2014 8:19:15 GMT -8
Cheatham will be back in January same as a mid season transfer would like Abukar did years ago. Get him ready for conference and tournament play, no redshirt. Same with Pope, get him ready for the Tournament.
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Post by twobits on Oct 2, 2014 10:16:59 GMT -8
If both of these guys can get some experience come conference time and help us advance in MM (when we might really need their size off the bench), I don't see what the debate is about...bring them on!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 2, 2014 10:27:20 GMT -8
I would just red shirt them both. If they're not 100% it's pointless to have them play through a season. Would people please not mention "redshirting" regarding 4 & 5 star recruits who at best play 2-3 years. ITS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
I must disagree. If a player is simply not up to 100% capability, why not redshirt? One hopes that such a kid understands that limping through a disappointing season as a part-time player is not going to do his NBA prospects any good. Better to get completely healthy. In the meantime, he will be practicing with the varsity, and that can't help but be beneficial. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 2, 2014 10:29:39 GMT -8
Wouldn't it be better for a student athlete to retain his ability to transfer without losing a year of eligibility? Can't a player apply for an extra year of eligibility after 4 years? What advantage does a player have in redshirting? None. You are both wrong. It does indeed depend on the circumstances, but how can having a terrible year in which you seldom play and when you play look awful help you? It does not, of course. AzWm
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2014 10:43:47 GMT -8
You are both wrong. It does indeed depend on the circumstances, but how can having a terrible year in which you seldom play and when you play look awful help you? It does not, of course. AzWm Why do you assume they will look awful? Why do you assume they will seldom play? I don't think Jamaal would have been the POY, as a sophomore, if he didn't play his freshman year. He needed to get on the court to get the experience. He needed time in real games to understand what needed improvement and what worked. You seem to think not playing this year will "save" a year for the players in question. If the players are as good as we hope, it will save nothing since they will not play their senior year. If they are not as good as we think, why save something that can be easily replaced. Your position lacks logic.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 2, 2014 10:45:37 GMT -8
No good players redshirt these days... I'll be totally shocked if they redshirt
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 2, 2014 11:18:14 GMT -8
Redshirting seems uncommon in Men's Basketball. Cheriet, Shelton and Shrigley are the only cases I can think of for the Aztecs in recent years.
With players the calibre of Zylan and Pope it isn't happening. They came to play ball this season and health permitting they will.
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