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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 22, 2014 12:00:15 GMT -8
I agree with what you're saying, but Im not sure what your points are. 3 straight scoring drives for them. Great. Compared to how many scoring drives by us? My only points is that it was our offense that was atrocious. The defense held their own, allowing less points than last year. Though they got outplayed, they gave the offense every opportunity to make this thing close. My point is that we failed to perform as a team. WE played bad on both sides of the ball. WE didn't stop their constant pressure on our QB, and we failed to get consistent pressure on theirs. WE never got our run game going to stretch the field and paid for it. WE didn't stop their run game and then got burned on the corners and over the middle. They converted on 3rd down more than they should have. WE didn't stop them on 3 straight drives, and they stopped us (or we stopped ourselves with penalties) on our drives. WE win as a team, and WE lose as a team. i hear you, The team must stay together, learn and grow from all this. But just like Rocky, you have to be honest and not sugar coat things. There are glaring weaknesses right now that trump all others and that is on the offensive end. But i agree with your prediction. I think our Offense by years end will have had all season to grow together. So hopefully by then, they will be a well oiled machine with all the receivers. But, i still dont think its accurate to single out and say the defense played 'miserable'.
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Post by standiego on Sept 22, 2014 12:14:32 GMT -8
As pointed out we got beat soundly on both offense and defense . We had early opportunities that you need to take advantage of when they come against a P5 team . Special teams created a fumble that we gave back in an interception . Lost Momentum ,plus QK , may have thought the end of the NC game . It was down hill from there . Mentally and physically. Their QB is experienced ,worked on his footwork during the off season, knows what he can do and beat us .Quality HS QB's are going to attend schools that have a reputation of being thought of as a QB driven offense. We are not at the present time , unless the transfer or the freshman prove they are .
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 12:19:13 GMT -8
My point is that we failed to perform as a team. WE played bad on both sides of the ball. WE didn't stop their constant pressure on our QB, and we failed to get consistent pressure on theirs. WE never got our run game going to stretch the field and paid for it. WE didn't stop their run game and then got burned on the corners and over the middle. They converted on 3rd down more than they should have. WE didn't stop them on 3 straight drives, and they stopped us (or we stopped ourselves with penalties) on our drives. WE win as a team, and WE lose as a team. i hear you, The team must stay together, learn and grow from all this. But just like Rocky, you have to be honest and not sugar coat things. There are glaring weaknesses right now that trump all others and that is on the offensive end. But i agree with your prediction. I think our Offense by years end will have had all season to grow together. So hopefully by then, they will be a well oiled machine with all the receivers. But, i still dont think its accurate to single out and say the defense played 'miserable'.That is my point ... no one should be singling out or defending either the offense or the defense as the problem -- they both played badly and lead to the problems on the other side of the ball for the Aztecs. Longer drives that end in a score for the offense would rest the defense. Stopping Oregon St. on one of those many times we had them at 3rd and long would have gotten us good field position. I have defended and detracted both the offense and defense where appropriate on each thread.
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Post by aztech on Sept 22, 2014 13:39:58 GMT -8
I recall one of the announcers saying the OSU offense had the 3-3-5 figured out. It wasn't that Pac honk Harrington that said it either. That's a bad omen for Rocky, if true.
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Post by standiego on Sept 22, 2014 14:15:28 GMT -8
when you get to the third or fourth Q . It boils down to, if a decent OL just settles in and blocks whatever guys the defense/Rocky is going to send . Keep in a RB to pick up a blitz . Then have an experienced QB with quick release ,that throws to where you blitzed from. In the end it is who is dominating who at the line.talent
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Post by cacique on Sept 22, 2014 14:47:07 GMT -8
They don't have the 3-3-5 figured out .They had 372 total yards and 97 yards rushing hardly and offensive explosion.Our offense sucked, outside of the first quarter we could not move the ball.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 22, 2014 15:48:27 GMT -8
I recall one of the announcers saying the OSU offense had the 3-3-5 figured out. It wasn't that Pac honk Harrington that said it either. That's a bad omen for Rocky, if true. Schemes are great, but not every team has an NFL caliber QB to beat our 3-3-5 so effectively. Rocky is banking on that fact to win more games than lose. And it does work more often than not. And really Football is still the same game at the core. If you can run the ball strong, you will most likely win. Personally, I was happy the Beavers game planned to run the ball more. i thought that would play into our style of game by being so conservative, and making it a grind it out game. They respected our Defenses ability to blitz and decided not to put Mannion in so many situations. Last year they ran the ball only 16 times and threw it 55. This year they ran 32 times and threw 31 times. If we put points on the board, that would've challenged their game-plan to stick with the run. Pressure does that to people. Of course some bad penalties dont hurt either. They stuck to their guns and we just couldnt keep up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:00:10 GMT -8
If you think our defense was the real problem Saturday you need to study more football, the end.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 16:14:09 GMT -8
If you think our defense was the real problem Saturday you need to study more football, the end. This was actually pretty accurate:3 things learned from SDSU-Oregon StateIt wasn't pretty for the Aztecs in Corvallis last weekend
By Stefanie Loh
This year's San Diego State vs. Oregon State matchup wasn't quite the cliffhanger that was the 2013 edition. The Beavers found a running game (97 rush yards, 2 rush TD) and the Aztecs wilted under an anemic offensive performance.
Here's what we learned
1. SDSU struggled to stretch the field
2. SDSU's offense became one-dimensional
3. Defensive penalties killed the Aztecs www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/sep/22/aztecs-oregon-state-three-things-learned/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:16:54 GMT -8
If the O takes care of the first 2 then the defense is on the field 10 plus fewer minutes and likely makes fewer penalties...I'm not saying our D is perfect, I'm saying the Offense is far behind the D and the real reason for the outcome Saturday.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 16:18:29 GMT -8
If the O takes care of the first 2 then the defense is on the field 10 plus fewer minutes and likely makes fewer penalties...I'm not saying our D is perfect, I'm saying the Offense is far behind the D and the real reason for the outcome Saturday. and I'm saying neither the O-line or the D-line shined in this game and most other woes for both the offense and defense stems from it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:22:26 GMT -8
If the O takes care of the first 2 then the defense is on the field 10 plus fewer minutes and likely makes fewer penalties...I'm not saying our D is perfect, I'm saying the Offense is far behind the D and the real reason for the outcome Saturday. and I'm saying neither the O-line or the D-line shined in this game and most other woes for both the offense and defense stems from it Our D held Mannion to under 300 yards and no passing TDs with 1 INT.....and he will be playing sundays soon. That D also held OSU to 2.7 yards per carry.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 16:29:16 GMT -8
and I'm saying neither the O-line or the D-line shined in this game and most other woes for both the offense and defense stems from it Our D held Mannion to under 300 yards and no passing TDs with 1 INT.....and he will be playing sundays soon. That D also held OSU to 2.7 yards per carry. unfortunately, that D did not hold on many 3rd downs, and allowed enough on the ground for Manion to stretch the field on 2nd downs ... it was a bad day at the office for both offense and defense. Missed tackles & pass interference hurt on defense ... the inability of the O-line to dominate the LOS did nothing to help either the running game or passing game for the offense either. Kaehler is not blameless, nor are the WRs, TEs, or blocking backs when it came to passing plays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:37:49 GMT -8
Our D held Mannion to under 300 yards and no passing TDs with 1 INT.....and he will be playing sundays soon. That D also held OSU to 2.7 yards per carry. unfortunately, that D did not hold on many 3rd downs, and allowed enough on the ground for Manion to stretch the field on 2nd downs ... it was a bad day at the office for both offense and defense. Missed tackles & pass interference hurt on defense ... the inability of the O-line to dominate the LOS did nothing to help either the running game or passing game for the offense either. Kaehler is not blameless, nor are the WRs, TEs, or blocking backs when it came to passing plays. I dont agree with your Oline assessment. If anything the problem there was play calling. If you remove QK 3 carries from the stats our RBs averaged 6.45 yds per carry....but only had 20 total carries. Meanwhile we threw it 26 times, connecting only 14 times for an avrage of 4.1 yards per attempt. As they say though timiing is everything and part of me thinks Toledo hit the panic switch when OSU scored their opening drive of the 2nd half, making it a 14 point game. That affected his play calling and to top it off OSU was holding onto the ball for sustained drives. Toledo needs to get his arse off the sideline and up in the box so he can see things proper.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 16:46:58 GMT -8
unfortunately, that D did not hold on many 3rd downs, and allowed enough on the ground for Manion to stretch the field on 2nd downs ... it was a bad day at the office for both offense and defense. Missed tackles & pass interference hurt on defense ... the inability of the O-line to dominate the LOS did nothing to help either the running game or passing game for the offense either. Kaehler is not blameless, nor are the WRs, TEs, or blocking backs when it came to passing plays. I dont agree with your Oline assessment. If anything the problem there was play calling. If you remove QK 3 carries from the stats our RBs averaged 6.45 yds per carry....but only had 20 total carries. Meanwhile we threw it 26 times, connecting only 14 times for an avrage of 4.1 yards per attempt. As they say though timiing is everything and part of me thinks Toledo hit the panic switch when OSU scored their opening drive of the 2nd half, making it a 14 point game. That affected his play calling and to top it off OSU was holding onto the ball for sustained drives. Toledo needs to get his arse off the sideline and up in the box so he can see things proper. I watched the game as you did ... I saw backs that were supposed to block on passing plays, blow right by the guy they were supposed to block in order to become the checkdown (self-defeating). I also saw RBs get impatient waiting for the blocks to develop on running plays and try to bounce it outside. No disrespect to Pumphrey, he's good and did alot -- but he's still young and made some mistakes at the worst moments. The O-line was matched in this game with what was in every way their equals -- something they won't see in conference. Oregon St. succeeded at closing the interior of the line and at the same time, held containment on the edges. One would think that if we averaged 6+ yds per carry, and 4+ yds per catch, we should have had more 1st downs and longer drives ... this is where the penalties hurt us. We were outplayed in this game on both sides of the ball in the trenches. This was a team loss. The Defense had plenty of opportunities on 3 straight drives (one before the end of the half & the first two drives to start the 3rd Q) to get themselves off the field ... they could not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:58:42 GMT -8
2 of our 9 penalties were delay of game, on the same drive. All the rest of the offensive penalties came when were already down 28-7 IIRC.
Like I said, the D was not perfect, but our Offense never even gave us a chance.
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Post by aztech on Sept 22, 2014 17:08:16 GMT -8
2 of our 9 penalties were delay of game, on the same drive. All the rest of the offensive penalties came when were already down 28-7 IIRC. Like I said, the D was not perfect, but our Offense never even gave us a chance. Very true, the defense feeds off the offense. We couldn't establish any momentum.
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