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Post by GothamCityRogue on Sept 21, 2014 16:50:46 GMT -8
Watching my recording of last night's game, the defense was not in this game. The DBs got burned multiple times. Whitaker was left behind by the WRs often. Kazee was penalized twice for pass interference. Each time it happened, the beavers scored a TD. Sanchez has been penalized in back-to-back games for unsportsmanlike conduct. A D-line man fell for the hard count. secondary played too deep in coverage resulting in successful screen plays. Tackling was miserable.
On the O side, QK performance has been scrutinized plenty already. Pumphrey failed last night. Twice I noticed him run by a beaver LB, Alexander. Letting him go completely untouched each time and in QK getting sacked each time. He also didn't follow the linemen when he was supposed to. He performed poorly last night.
Time to regroup and focus on UNLV.
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Post by RockNFish on Sept 21, 2014 17:07:33 GMT -8
Whitaker was burned two weeks in a row - think teams are going to test him until he proves he can keep up with the faster receivers. Yeah saw Pump run right by around a blitzing LB - you gotta help your QB out.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 21, 2014 17:30:02 GMT -8
One Touchdown per quarter is not a miserable defensive performance.
Not sure which game you were watching but our guys held Mannion with only scores at the end of each quarter.
Yes our DB's need to be less cocky and play with a lil more cushion-that OSU offense really played it smart. They were committed to the run when they had to be.
Had OUR OFFENSE been able to do anything at all, that 28 pts may be different.
But i definitely put this game more on our offense. And i have been very supportive of QK, but it was simply a matter of their QB just being flat out better than our QB.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Sept 21, 2014 18:23:37 GMT -8
One Touchdown per quarter is not a miserable defensive performance. Not sure which game you were watching but our guys held Mannion with only scores at the end of each quarter. Yes our DB's need to be less cocky and play with a lil more cushion-that OSU offense really played it smart. They were committed to the run when they had to be. Had OUR OFFENSE been able to do anything at all, that 28 pts may be different. But i definitely put this game more on our offense. And i have been very supportive of QK, but it was simply a matter of their QB just being flat out better than our QB. Very weak sarcasm asking which game I watched. The D should consider itself lucky only 28 points were scored by the beavers. They were penalized for way too many bone headed plays. What does it matter if they contained the rush. They did nothing to contain the pass plays. Going back to the rushing D, all the beaver TDs were scored on the ground. The Aztec D was miserable last night. The current QB situation is evident that Sipe and former OCs were negligent and poorly recruited QB. Someone else pointed out in another thread that one former QB is now a tight end. The other couldn't win the starting job at a DII. Favreau is now a WR and last night he dropped a critical 4th down pass that hit his hands. My confidence in QK is deminishing.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 21, 2014 18:44:02 GMT -8
One Touchdown per quarter is not a miserable defensive performance. Not sure which game you were watching but our guys held Mannion with only scores at the end of each quarter. Yes our DB's need to be less cocky and play with a lil more cushion-that OSU offense really played it smart. They were committed to the run when they had to be. Had OUR OFFENSE been able to do anything at all, that 28 pts may be different. But i definitely put this game more on our offense. And i have been very supportive of QK, but it was simply a matter of their QB just being flat out better than our QB. Very weak sarcasm asking which game I watched. The D should consider itself lucky only 28 points were scored by the beavers. They were penalized for way too many bone headed plays. What does it matter if they contained the rush. They did nothing to contain the pass plays. Going back to the rushing D, all the beaver TDs were scored on the ground. The Aztec D was miserable last night. The current QB situation is evident that Sipe and former OCs were negligent and poorly recruited QB. Someone else pointed out in another thread that one former QB is now a tight end. The other couldn't win the starting job at a DII. Favreau is now a WR and last night he dropped a critical 4th down pass that hit his hands. My confidence in QK is deminishing. Didnt know my sarcasm was being judged. Listen, the game was 14-7 at the half. 21-7 at the third. If our offense scores its a close game. Not sure what other defense you were expecting out there against an nfl quality qb? I felt they held their own. Rocky plainly says our style of D is going apply pressure which it did, but it will let up big plays from time to time. You have to tip your cap to Mannion and Riley's gameplan. They are a much better-sound offense from last year, and our offense just couldnt keep up. Plus it doesnt help when by the 2nd half our offense does squat and our D is left to constantly be out on the field. We needed to ball control but didnt. If you were expecting the score to be in the teens, then your'e out of your mind.
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Post by aztecbb on Sept 21, 2014 18:49:52 GMT -8
Well if you dont like weak sarcasm dont make such a weak post. Mannion is a future NFL QB and he made some great throws , the DBs were in good position most (yes not all) of the night he just made plays ...or does Richard Sherman suck because Manning shredded him today? Wow, spectacular analysis - a former QB now plays another position ...gee that only happens on , umm every team in football. Generally the HS QB is the best athlete on the team so if they are not the best QB in college they play other positions. Google "Brian Russell" ...and yes that is sarcasm.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Sept 21, 2014 18:58:53 GMT -8
Well if you dont like weak sarcasm dont make such a weak post. Mannion is a future NFL QB and he made some great throws , the DBs were in good position most (yes not all) of the night he just made plays ...or does Richard Sherman suck because Manning shredded him today? Wow, spectacular analysis - a former QB now plays another position ...gee that only happens on , umm every team in football. Generally the HS QB is the best athlete on the team so if they are not the best QB in college they play other positions. Google "Brian Russell" ...and yes that is sarcasm. Lol at this post.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Sept 21, 2014 19:09:40 GMT -8
Very weak sarcasm asking which game I watched. The D should consider itself lucky only 28 points were scored by the beavers. They were penalized for way too many bone headed plays. What does it matter if they contained the rush. They did nothing to contain the pass plays. Going back to the rushing D, all the beaver TDs were scored on the ground. The Aztec D was miserable last night. The current QB situation is evident that Sipe and former OCs were negligent and poorly recruited QB. Someone else pointed out in another thread that one former QB is now a tight end. The other couldn't win the starting job at a DII. Favreau is now a WR and last night he dropped a critical 4th down pass that hit his hands. My confidence in QK is deminishing. Didnt know my sarcasm was being judged. Listen, the game was 14-7 at the half. 21-7 at the third. If our offense scores its a close game. Not sure what other defense you were expecting out there against an nfl quality qb? I felt they held their own. Rocky plainly says our style of D is going apply pressure which it did, but it will let up big plays from time to time. You have to tip your cap to Mannion and Riley's gameplan. They are a much better-sound offense from last year, and our offense just couldnt keep up. Plus it doesnt help when by the 2nd half our offense does squat and our D is left to constantly be out on the field. We needed to ball control but didnt. If you were expecting the score to be in the teens, then your'e out of your mind. Well now you know. And now youre making assumptions. We all expected a better defensive performance than what was demonstrated last night. "If our offense scores its a close game" [sic] Quote of the year right there. Lol!!! While, Mannion is hell of a QB, our D made all the rest of the beaver O look NFL quality.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 21, 2014 19:30:23 GMT -8
Didnt know my sarcasm was being judged. Listen, the game was 14-7 at the half. 21-7 at the third. If our offense scores its a close game. Not sure what other defense you were expecting out there against an nfl quality qb? I felt they held their own. Rocky plainly says our style of D is going apply pressure which it did, but it will let up big plays from time to time. You have to tip your cap to Mannion and Riley's gameplan. They are a much better-sound offense from last year, and our offense just couldnt keep up. Plus it doesnt help when by the 2nd half our offense does squat and our D is left to constantly be out on the field. We needed to ball control but didnt. If you were expecting the score to be in the teens, then your'e out of your mind. Well now you know. And now youre making assumptions. We all expected a better defensive performance than what was demonstrated last night. "If our offense scores its a close game" [sic] Quote of the year right there. Lol!!! While, Mannion is hell of a QB, our D made all the rest of the beaver O look NFL quality. Look, we got beat. But the facts in football is that the QB is the most important position out there. They have one of the tops in the nation and we dont. Its simple as that. We had plenty more opportunities to score and keep up, & couldnt. But this was not the same type of losing effort as eastern illionois or vs UNLV last year.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Sept 21, 2014 20:16:04 GMT -8
Well now you know. And now youre making assumptions. We all expected a better defensive performance than what was demonstrated last night. "If our offense scores its a close game" [sic] Quote of the year right there. Lol!!! While, Mannion is hell of a QB, our D made all the rest of the beaver O look NFL quality. Look, we got beat. But the facts in football is that the QB is the most important position out there. They have one of the tops in the nation and we dont. Its simple as that. We had plenty more opportunities to score and keep up, & couldnt. But this was not the same type of losing effort as eastern illionois or vs UNLV last year. This was exactly the same type of losing effort as those games. UNC wasn't, for comparison sakes. I listed quite a number of defensive errors. Like I said, time to regroup and focus on UNLV.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 9:30:12 GMT -8
Well now you know. And now youre making assumptions. We all expected a better defensive performance than what was demonstrated last night. "If our offense scores its a close game" [sic] Quote of the year right there. Lol!!! While, Mannion is hell of a QB, our D made all the rest of the beaver O look NFL quality. Look, we got beat. But the facts in football is that the QB is the most important position out there. They have one of the tops in the nation and we dont. Its simple as that. We had plenty more opportunities to score and keep up, & couldnt. But this was not the same type of losing effort as eastern illionois or vs UNLV last year. Sophomore linebacker Calvin Munson: On how the defense played ... "We didn't play as well as we should have played. Our big plan was to stop the run first and make the mark for us tonight but they came out and played harder than us. They beat us off the ball, they ran it pretty well and they threw very well. It just wasn't our game tonight."
On going up against Mannion ... "He's a great pocket passer and he's got a great arm. He's a good leader for them. He came through great tonight and as much as we threw at him, he did a great job responding to it."
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 22, 2014 9:50:44 GMT -8
Well now you know. And now youre making assumptions. We all expected a better defensive performance than what was demonstrated last night. "If our offense scores its a close game" [sic] Quote of the year right there. Lol!!! While, Mannion is hell of a QB, our D made all the rest of the beaver O look NFL quality. Look, we got beat. But the facts in football is that the QB is the most important position out there. They have one of the tops in the nation and we dont. Its simple as that. We had plenty more opportunities to score and keep up, & couldnt. But this was not the same type of losing effort as eastern illionois or vs UNLV last year. That's it in a nutshell. Mannion is really good and made some great plays. Kaehler is mediocre and is not getting any better. The question is this; Why are we stuck with a former walk-on who is, despite his best efforts, not what we need at QB? Some may blame the recruiters. I think there are two ways to look at this problem: 1.) The recruiters are doing a poor job of evaluating possible QB recruits. 2.) SDSU simply can't win recruiting battles for talented quarterbacks against P5 schools. It's think #2 explains a lot, if not most, of the problem. (I wonder whether we even tried to recruit Mannion when he was coming out of high school.) On the other hand, as some have pointed out, Fresno State and even San Jose State have had really outstanding QBs recently. If they can do it, why can't we? I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that we had better remedy the problem or we will always have trouble beating the better teams on the schedule. And sometimes trouble beating even the dregs. AzWm
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 22, 2014 10:08:04 GMT -8
Look, we got beat. But the facts in football is that the QB is the most important position out there. They have one of the tops in the nation and we dont. Its simple as that. We had plenty more opportunities to score and keep up, & couldnt. But this was not the same type of losing effort as eastern illionois or vs UNLV last year. Sophomore linebacker Calvin Munson: On how the defense played ... "We didn't play as well as we should have played. Our big plan was to stop the run first and make the mark for us tonight but they came out and played harder than us. They beat us off the ball, they ran it pretty well and they threw very well. It just wasn't our game tonight."
On going up against Mannion ... "He's a great pocket passer and he's got a great arm. He's a good leader for them. He came through great tonight and as much as we threw at him, he did a great job responding to it." Defense had moments of really great play and moments of poor play. But from the coaches words he proves my point. Like i said...28 points vs Mannion is not Miserable. 7 Points against a team called the Beavers IS. ROCKY LONG: "My #1 thought is that you cannot win in today's college football if you only score 7 points. i thought the offense other than the first drive was average to poor. i thought the defense played fairly well until right before halftime and right after halftime. You could see the kind of character of our kids have because they didn't give up. But we weren't doing anything on offense and we kept them out of the end zone in the 4th quarter."
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 10:10:21 GMT -8
Sophomore linebacker Calvin Munson: On how the defense played ... "We didn't play as well as we should have played. Our big plan was to stop the run first and make the mark for us tonight but they came out and played harder than us. They beat us off the ball, they ran it pretty well and they threw very well. It just wasn't our game tonight."
On going up against Mannion ... "He's a great pocket passer and he's got a great arm. He's a good leader for them. He came through great tonight and as much as we threw at him, he did a great job responding to it." Defense had moments of really great play and moments of poor play. But from the coaches words he proves my point. Like i said...28 points vs Mannion is not Miserable. 7 Points against a team called the Beavers IS. ROCKY LONG: "My #1 thought is that you cannot win in today's college football if you only score 7 points. i thought the offense other than the first drive was average to poor. i thought the defense played fairly well until right before halftime and right after halftime. You could see the kind of character of our kids have because they didn't give up. But we weren't doing anything on offense and we kept them out of the end zone in the 4th quarter." On the play of San Diego State quarterback Quinn Kaehler... "It's impossible to tell without watching the film. I know he was under a lot of pressure. There were several times that their defenders were in his face or hitting right after he threw. So, if I was just guessing without watching the film, I would say that their defensive line played extremely well and our offensive line played absolutely horrible." -- San Diego State Head Coach Rocky Long
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 10:12:14 GMT -8
On the turning point in the game...
"I thought the pivotal play of the game was when we had the blitz come completely free and we missed him (Sean Mannion) in the backfield when it was 3rd-and-8 or something. There's still a chance we could stay in the game right there. If we made them punt, we would've got the ball back in decent field position and we could stay in the game. But that ended up being the 14th point in the third quarter. You can look at it one way or the other. Our guy missed the tackle and he should've sacked him, or what a great quarterback because he shook the tackle and made a good throw. It depends on what side of the field you're standing on."
-- San Diego State Head Coach Rocky Long
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 22, 2014 10:15:54 GMT -8
On the turning point in the game... "I thought the pivotal play of the game was when we had the blitz come completely free and we missed him (Sean Mannion) in the backfield when it was 3rd-and-8 or something. There's still a chance we could stay in the game right there. If we made them punt, we would've got the ball back in decent field position and we could stay in the game. But that ended up being the 14th point in the third quarter. You can look at it one way or the other. Our guy missed the tackle and he should've sacked him, or what a great quarterback because he shook the tackle and made a good throw. It depends on what side of the field you're standing on."-- San Diego State Head Coach Rocky Long ugh i remember that play now. yeah pretty bad. but having said that, the terrible pick in the 1st quarter in their territory and we couldve been up 14-0 early. Either way, no matter if our defense makes that play or shuts them out the whole 2nd half.... our offense generated NOTHING, the rest of the game. Case closed.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 10:18:44 GMT -8
On the turning point in the game... "I thought the pivotal play of the game was when we had the blitz come completely free and we missed him (Sean Mannion) in the backfield when it was 3rd-and-8 or something. There's still a chance we could stay in the game right there. If we made them punt, we would've got the ball back in decent field position and we could stay in the game. But that ended up being the 14th point in the third quarter. You can look at it one way or the other. Our guy missed the tackle and he should've sacked him, or what a great quarterback because he shook the tackle and made a good throw. It depends on what side of the field you're standing on."-- San Diego State Head Coach Rocky Long ugh i remember that play now. yeah pretty bad. but having said that, the terrible pick in the 1st quarter in their territory and we couldve been up 14-0 early. Either way, no matter if our defense makes that play or shuts them out the whole 2nd half.... our offense generated NOTHING, the rest of the game. Case closed. the problems with "ifs" are that you get to choose which ones to include and which ones to omit ... we were beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball for most of the game -- that is what happened and everything else starts with that fact. They scored 7 points on the last drive of the half and 14 points on the first two drives of the 3rd qtr ... that is 3 TDs on basically 3 straight drives.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 22, 2014 11:13:34 GMT -8
ugh i remember that play now. yeah pretty bad. but having said that, the terrible pick in the 1st quarter in their territory and we couldve been up 14-0 early. Either way, no matter if our defense makes that play or shuts them out the whole 2nd half.... our offense generated NOTHING, the rest of the game. Case closed. the problems with "ifs" are that you get to choose which ones to include and which ones to omit ... we were beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball for most of the game -- that is what happened and everything else starts with that fact. They scored 7 points on the last drive of the half and 14 points on the first two drives of the 3rd qtr ... that is 3 TDs on basically 3 straight drives. I agree with what you're saying, but Im not sure what your points are. 3 straight scoring drives for them. Great. Compared to how many scoring drives by us? My only points is that it was our offense that was atrocious. The defense held their own, allowing less points than last year. Though they got outplayed, they gave the offense every opportunity to make this thing close.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 22, 2014 11:18:59 GMT -8
Kazee was penalized not twice, but thrice.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 22, 2014 11:22:42 GMT -8
the problems with "ifs" are that you get to choose which ones to include and which ones to omit ... we were beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball for most of the game -- that is what happened and everything else starts with that fact. They scored 7 points on the last drive of the half and 14 points on the first two drives of the 3rd qtr ... that is 3 TDs on basically 3 straight drives. I agree with what you're saying, but Im not sure what your points are. 3 straight scoring drives for them. Great. Compared to how many scoring drives by us? My only points is that it was our offense that was atrocious. The defense held their own, allowing less points than last year. Though they got outplayed, they gave the offense every opportunity to make this thing close. My point is that we failed to perform as a team. WE played bad on both sides of the ball. WE didn't stop their constant pressure on our QB, and we failed to get consistent pressure on theirs. WE never got our run game going to stretch the field and paid for it. WE didn't stop their run game and then got burned on the corners and over the middle. They converted on 3rd down more than they should have. WE didn't stop them on 3 straight drives, and they stopped us (or we stopped ourselves with penalties) on our drives. WE win as a team, and WE lose as a team.
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