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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 19, 2010 20:07:00 GMT -8
Yeah, he won a lot of playoff games for us... The only one that matters is the Super Bowl. How many of those has Norv won as head coach? Besides, Marty would have beaten the Jets but for a Kaeding miss. Sound familiar?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2010 20:08:23 GMT -8
Spanos fired the wrong guy Not the first time. The wrong Bobby left a decade earlier. That was my thought exactly. History repeated itself. Bobby Beathard was the, "Genius," who couldn't adapt to the free agent era to save his life. A.J. Smith was the, "Genius," who relied on input from Buddy Nix and since then has begun dismantling the team that Nix built. (Or helped to build...) Smith's ego has gotten out of control, and his judgment on player personnel issues has been poor at best. The result is a 2-4 team that looks likely to reach 2-6, with 3-5 being the best case scenario. I wonder if Dean will ever see that sometimes the GM is the problem? In this case it's pretty obvious, so I'm hoping that he looks at the results of the last few drafts and at the free agent decisions that Smith has made - as well as the coaching hire that he made. It isn't pretty.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2010 20:13:06 GMT -8
The result is a 2-4 team that looks likely to reach 2-6, with 3-5 being the best case scenario. We're gonna beat NE. Without Floyd and with a hurt Gates? Once NE starts blitzing there will be no one to throw the ball to outside of Crayton (no one reliable), and they'll double team him. It would be an amazing win if we could beat NE, but I just don't see it happening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 20:13:16 GMT -8
The result is a 2-4 team that looks likely to reach 2-6, with 3-5 being the best case scenario. We're gonna beat NE. Agreed.
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Post by k5james on Oct 19, 2010 20:15:11 GMT -8
The only one that matters is the Super Bowl. How many of those has Norv won as head coach? Besides, Marty would have beaten the Jets but for a Kaeding miss. Sound familiar? How many has Marty won? I'm not arguing that Norv is a great coach but everything wasn't sugar plums and gumdrops under Marty. Am I the only one that remembers his failures in the playoffs and his 9-7 season that was sandwiched between his playoff catasrophes?
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Post by k5james on Oct 19, 2010 20:16:54 GMT -8
Agreed. It's the same thing every year. They lose a few they shouldn't and win a few they shouldn't.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2010 20:23:14 GMT -8
Agreed. It's the same thing every year. They lose a few they shouldn't and win a few they shouldn't. And then lose one in the playoffs that they should have won. Time for a whole new regime from GM on down...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 22:28:54 GMT -8
Agreed. It's the same thing every year. They lose a few they shouldn't and win a few they shouldn't. And then lose one in the playoffs that they should have won. Time for a whole new regime from GM on down... Agree
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Post by AztecTom on Oct 19, 2010 23:05:36 GMT -8
Time for a whole new regime from GM on down... Completely agree Erik!
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Post by k5james on Oct 20, 2010 8:03:55 GMT -8
sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2763623This breaks down the situation. Spanos fired the wrong guy, but it was hard to tell that at the time. You guys remember the stories that Marty wanted to replace Cam with his son, Brian Schottenheimer, when Cam went to the Dolphins? AJ balked at that, which led to a big disagreement. Brian Schottenheimer has done pretty well for himself in New York, as the Jets OC, and is highly regarded. I think you're remembering it wrong Josh. It wasn't Brian he was trying to bring in that caused the problem, it was his brother Kurt.
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Post by joshjones1 on Oct 20, 2010 16:27:49 GMT -8
sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2763623This breaks down the situation. Spanos fired the wrong guy, but it was hard to tell that at the time. You guys remember the stories that Marty wanted to replace Cam with his son, Brian Schottenheimer, when Cam went to the Dolphins? AJ balked at that, which led to a big disagreement. Brian Schottenheimer has done pretty well for himself in New York, as the Jets OC, and is highly regarded. I think you're remembering it wrong Josh. It wasn't Brian he was trying to bring in that caused the problem, it was his brother Kurt. Brian was already on the staff, QB coach. I believe marty wanted to promote Brian to OC, and perhaps get Kurt to DC. Kurt has the defensive background. He has a good reputation. An all family staff would have been a bit strange though.
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Post by aztecron on Oct 20, 2010 17:15:04 GMT -8
Yeah, he won a lot of playoff games for us... The only one that matters is the Super Bowl. How many of those has Norv won as head coach? Besides, Marty would have beaten the Jets but for a Kaeding miss. Sound familiar? ^ This is where I'm at as well.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 20, 2010 19:33:41 GMT -8
My main gripe with AJ is I think he's preventing us from having a better coaching staff. He'll never fire his guy Turner but Turner's a lousy head coach. 2-3 starts every year (2-4 this year) is on the coach. And better starts mean a better record at the end and greater likelihood of home field advantage. A proven winning coach would have won a Super Bowl by now with the talent that was here.
So my preference would be to get a better coach and keep AJ, because despite all the criticism he's still putting together pretty solid teams every year. But if he refuses to fire Turner then he should be gone too.
We'd need a replacement for AJ who is a proven winner. What would worry me about getting rid of AJ is the potential to return to the Chargers of the late 1990's-early 2000's where 4-12, 5-11 were common with a 1-15 mixed in. The staus quo is far preferable to the potential for that again.
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Post by azzfan on Oct 20, 2010 20:28:36 GMT -8
Agreed. It's the same thing every year. They lose a few they shouldn't and win a few they shouldn't. And then lose one in the playoffs that they should have won. Time for a whole new regime from GM on down... Yep.
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Post by azzfan on Oct 20, 2010 20:40:44 GMT -8
My main gripe with AJ is I think he's preventing us from having a better coaching staff. He'll never fire his guy Turner but Turner's a lousy head coach. 2-3 starts every year (2-4 this year) is on the coach. And better starts mean a better record at the end and greater likelihood of home field advantage. A proven winning coach would have won a Super Bowl by now with the talent that was here. So my preference would be to get a better coach and keep AJ, because despite all the criticism he's still putting together pretty solid teams every year. But if he refuses to fire Turner then he should be gone too. We'd need a replacement for AJ who is a proven winner. What would worry me about getting rid of AJ is the potential to return to the Chargers of the late 1990's-early 2000's where 4-12, 5-11 were common with a 1-15 mixed in. The staus quo is far preferable to the potential for that again. So then, how many wins are you expecting this season? Also, at what point would you fire AJ? If you were king of course. Personally, I like the way AJ handles business most of the time and he has overseen some the the best drafts the Chargers have ever had IMHO. However, that Marty firing was unprofessional from what I know. Now, despite my starting this thread, I am not.. NOT a Marty honk. I have huge admiration for what he did for the team. It would be nice to have a coach with at least some of his attributes.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 21, 2010 17:46:54 GMT -8
So then, how many wins are you expecting this season? Also, at what point would you fire AJ? If you were king of course. Personally, I like the way AJ handles business most of the time and he has overseen some the the best drafts the Chargers have ever had IMHO. However, that Marty firing was unprofessional from what I know. Now, despite my starting this thread, I am not.. NOT a Marty honk. I have huge admiration for what he did for the team. It would be nice to have a coach with at least some of his attributes. 8-10 wins. I'd fire AJ if he refused a request to get rid of Turner. If he was willing to change coaches I'd keep him around, because I agree he's done the job of putting together good teams. But Turner is not a head coach and needs to go.
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Post by aztecron on Oct 22, 2010 19:54:30 GMT -8
So then, how many wins are you expecting this season? Also, at what point would you fire AJ? If you were king of course. Personally, I like the way AJ handles business most of the time and he has overseen some the the best drafts the Chargers have ever had IMHO. However, that Marty firing was unprofessional from what I know. Now, despite my starting this thread, I am not.. NOT a Marty honk. I have huge admiration for what he did for the team. It would be nice to have a coach with at least some of his attributes. 8-10 wins. I'd fire AJ if he refused a request to get rid of Turner. If he was willing to change coaches I'd keep him around, because I agree he's done the job of putting together good teams. But Turner is not a head coach and needs to go. I'd love to see a scenario between Dean Spanos and AJ go something like this: DS: So, AJ, I'd like to get rid of Norv. Your thoughts? AJ: Well now, come on Dean, Norv is doing okay, its not all his fault as the players aren't getting the message at all on the field. DS: Okay, then as I stated earlier I'd like to get rid of Norv. Any other thoughts? AJ: Its the players, there just not as good as we thought when we did our analyses. DS: Okay, then I'm thinking we're through here, AJ. Clean out your office by the end of the week. And, I'll get rid of Norv myself. Deano doesn't have the spine to make a decision such as that, unfortunately for the Bolts, and us fans.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 23, 2010 8:59:38 GMT -8
8-10 wins. I'd fire AJ if he refused a request to get rid of Turner. If he was willing to change coaches I'd keep him around, because I agree he's done the job of putting together good teams. But Turner is not a head coach and needs to go. I'd love to see a scenario between Dean Spanos and AJ go something like this: DS: So, AJ, I'd like to get rid of Norv. Your thoughts? AJ: Well now, come on Dean, Norv is doing okay, its not all his fault as the players aren't getting the message at all on the field. DS: Okay, then as I stated earlier I'd like to get rid of Norv. Any other thoughts? AJ: Its the players, there just not as good as we thought when we did our analyses. DS: Okay, then I'm thinking we're through here, AJ. Clean out your office by the end of the week. And, I'll get rid of Norv myself. Deano doesn't have the spine to make a decision such as that, unfortunately for the Bolts, and us fans. Interesting. You know, it helps to have an owner who really knows something about the business. If the owner is clueless (not saying that Dean necessarily is, by the way), he may drift along for years wondering why his team loses, ignorant of the fact that different men as GM and/or HC might turn things around. AzWm
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Post by davdesid on Oct 23, 2010 13:41:15 GMT -8
So then, how many wins are you expecting this season? Also, at what point would you fire AJ? If you were king of course. Personally, I like the way AJ handles business most of the time and he has overseen some the the best drafts the Chargers have ever had IMHO. However, that Marty firing was unprofessional from what I know. Now, despite my starting this thread, I am not.. NOT a Marty honk. I have huge admiration for what he did for the team. It would be nice to have a coach with at least some of his attributes. 8-10 wins. I'd fire AJ if he refused a request to get rid of Turner. If he was willing to change coaches I'd keep him around, because I agree he's done the job of putting together good teams. But Turner is not a head coach and needs to go. Agree, except for the 8-10 wins. The 'soft' part of the schedule is over, and that rates a 'fail'. 8 wins possible, I suppose... I hope... but it's looking like the first sub .500 season in quite a few years is in the cards. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by azzfan on Oct 25, 2010 3:33:49 GMT -8
So then, how many wins are you expecting this season? Also, at what point would you fire AJ? If you were king of course. Personally, I like the way AJ handles business most of the time and he has overseen some the the best drafts the Chargers have ever had IMHO. However, that Marty firing was unprofessional from what I know. Now, despite my starting this thread, I am not.. NOT a Marty honk. I have huge admiration for what he did for the team. It would be nice to have a coach with at least some of his attributes. 8-10 wins. I'd fire AJ if he refused a request to get rid of Turner. If he was willing to change coaches I'd keep him around, because I agree he's done the job of putting together good teams. But Turner is not a head coach and needs to go. Fair enough. Don't see AJ getting rid of Norv and don't see Dean getting rid of AJ. To Dean it is a business that is a business and it makes a truck load of money. Good enough for him I'm sure.
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