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Post by fanhood on Sept 19, 2014 1:28:05 GMT -8
You are insane if you think the football program has stalled. I too could sense a collapse at UNC. You could feel it in the air. However, it is obvious that we have more talent, better players, and better coaching than ever before.
As Rocky has said, we will win one of these big games on the road, and it will happen when he is here.
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Post by hoobs on Sept 19, 2014 3:58:50 GMT -8
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Post by junior on Sept 19, 2014 4:37:38 GMT -8
It is? It seems Rocky Long's program has stalled. Stalled??? It is about to explode in excitement! That's funny, my sense is that the program can't get itself off the pot… … the explosion you speak of could be quite messy.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 19, 2014 5:26:46 GMT -8
Keke.
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Post by andy26rich on Sept 19, 2014 7:22:13 GMT -8
I do not believe it was a dig at the football program, more just wishful thinking it had the same excitement surrounding our basketball program. Both teams have gotten better over the past few years, however, it is our basketball program that has received more national acclaim and success. If our football team had the same excitement and success we would be in a P5 conference already. But, since we have not won a quality OOC game in say, forever, it is hard to create excitement. We have not had national buzz around our football program since the Marshal Faulk days. Having said that I do believe we're on the cusp of great things for football. Go Aztecs!!
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Post by fisherville on Sept 19, 2014 8:47:50 GMT -8
The Aztecs can't wait 6 years, and Rocky has far from fisher's track record.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 19, 2014 8:49:17 GMT -8
You are insane if you think the football program has stalled. I too could sense a collapse at UNC. You could feel it in the air. However, it is obvious that we have more talent, better players, and better coaching than ever before. As Rocky has said, we will win one of these big games on the road, and it will happen when he is here. Wow, What high expectations winning one big game on the road. SDSU is no different than Hoke's final year here. And Rocky is an average coach.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Sept 19, 2014 9:07:24 GMT -8
You are insane if you think the football program has stalled. I too could sense a collapse at UNC. You could feel it in the air. However, it is obvious that we have more talent, better players, and better coaching than ever before. As Rocky has said, we will win one of these big games on the road, and it will happen when he is here. Wow, What high expectations winning one big game on the road. SDSU is no different than Hoke's final year here. And Rocky is an average coach. Yo fisherville, are you possessed by MOW?
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Sept 19, 2014 9:17:18 GMT -8
It is? It seems Rocky Long's program has stalled. Stalled or Plateaued? If I remember correctly, according to several on this board Fisher's program plateaued about 2005. Agree. If my memory serves me right, there was a thread entitled "Fisher Has Plateaued," which generated more than 10 pages. Someone started it after our loss to Indiana.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 19, 2014 11:49:13 GMT -8
Fisher pretty much had to scrounge the earth to get players in those days. Over time he has improved the quality of his recruits and transfers. But, he had to take a lot of chances to get guys that could play. At last he is able to recruit more quality HS players and rely less upon transfers. He built this program in spite of its' own reputation and an apathetic community and student body. Fish is the Show.
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Post by aztec619 on Sept 19, 2014 11:58:38 GMT -8
Stalled or Plateaued? If I remember correctly, according to several on this board Fisher's program plateaued about 2005. Agree. If my memory serves me right, there was a thread entitled "Fisher Has Plateaued," which generated more than 10 pages. Someone started it after our loss to Indiana. Yeah that thread or thread types like it would be a fun read now.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 19, 2014 23:26:45 GMT -8
This IS NOT a rocky vs fisher thread, it is to celebrate a Nationally RELEVANT Basket program, TOP 16 a program that destroys "so-called P5" schools in THIER HOUSES on National TV. Thank you Kansas! oh yeah - can't wait for the home return game of Kansas @ Viejas next year. Actually the thread should have been a celebration of SDSU basketball prowess; but, the opening sentence was a dig at SDSU's football program. A dig? You are serious? Fisher's BB program is nationally respected. Aztec football is not. That's just a plain fact. Our FB program has risen from the dead and is respectable once more, but it is not close to being as successful as the hoops team. Wouldn't YOU be ecstatic is were were winning 10 or 11 games a year in football and appearing almost every year in the Top-25? Not a dig on football. Just a recognition of how much our basketball program has improved. Same thing may happen with football. AzWm
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 20, 2014 8:07:27 GMT -8
Actually the thread should have been a celebration of SDSU basketball prowess; but, the opening sentence was a dig at SDSU's football program. A dig? You are serious? Fisher's BB program is nationally respected. Aztec football is not. That's just a plain fact. Our FB program has risen from the dead and is respectable once more, but it is not close to being as successful as the hoops team. Wouldn't YOU be ecstatic is were were winning 10 or 11 games a year in football and appearing almost every year in the Top-25? Not a dig on football. Just a recognition of how much our basketball program has improved. Same thing may happen with football. AzWm I will have to agree. The opening post on this thread ... the opening sentence actually, was a dig on football. Whether you intended it to be or not, it was a dig and set another thread off comparing football to basketball. Then, in this latest post, you basically double-down on your dig by failing to acknowledge the 10 year head start Steve Fisher has had in rebuilding the basketball program and dismissing the pace of football's recovery as actually being quicker than that of basketball. If we're being honest, how many years into the Steve Fisher Era before basketball was ranked in the top 25? How many years into the Steve Fisher era before basketball got it's first NCAA Tourney win? When you said: "Wouldn't YOU be ecstatic is were were winning 10 or 11 games a year in football and appearing almost every year in the Top-25?" ... 10-11 wins a season in football is a 30 win season in basketball, how many years into the Steve Fisher era before basketball was regularly knocking out 30 win seasons? There are things you can compare between football and basketball and things you can compare between the coaches, but scheduling for football and basketball are very different. Football OoC usually has one pay game, no exhibition games and no tournaments. Basketball does have exhibition games, tournaments and seldom takes a pay game all of these are advantages in scheduling. In summary, you could have just talked about basketball and expressed something about how great it will be when both sports are treated as such ... instead of saying " If only our football program were as respected as Aztec basketball."
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Post by fisherville on Sept 20, 2014 8:13:38 GMT -8
You can try basic math, 10-3 is not equal to 30 wins (unless at least 39 games), not to mention basketball plays a much harder schedule. You really seem to be in a delusional state as to where the current football program is at.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 20, 2014 8:21:19 GMT -8
You can try basic math, 10-3 is not equal to 30 wins (unless at least 39 games), not to mention basketball plays a much harder schedule. You really seem to be in a delusional state as to where the current football program is at. first, a regular season in football is 12 games (no post-season MWC tourney) ... and yeah 11-1 would approximate 30-3 (MWC tourney, but not NCAA tourney)
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Post by Motown Monty on Sept 20, 2014 8:28:33 GMT -8
It is? It seems Rocky Long's program has stalled. Stalled or Plateaued? If I remember correctly, according to several on this board Fisher's program plateaued about 2005. Yep. Some people around here have finite memories. Many on this very board and elsewhere were calling for Fisher's ouster after that disappointing '04-'05 season. That the program had plateaued under Fisher was a common sentiment. Easy to forget all that given the success the program has realized since.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 8:39:01 GMT -8
His post was about national respect. We are consistently beating bad teams. We typically are having a couple of bad losses every year too. I am hopeful for today's game and expect a win. If we are good, we should beat middling or lower level power 5 teams. Thus far we haven't made that leap. I hope that changes today. We need to earn national Recognition. Baby steps,With a win today and no bad losses we will have mad a marked improvement. Go aztecs
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Sept 20, 2014 8:47:01 GMT -8
Football is on a good trajectory when you consider the program as a whole, but has a lower ceiling given the difference in the two sports. Basketball has a 64 team plus four playoff in which at least theoretically, any of the those annointed has an unlimited ceiling and shot at the national championship and any Division I program has a chance to be a plyoff qualifier. Football on the other hand was sold out to a cartel of five conferences resulting in a very low ceiling of opportunity for the remaining majority of Division I programs. There is just no comparison between the two sports when it comes to opportunity/trajectory. There is a fair comparison between Coaches Fisher and Long in that they are both very good at what they do, have improved their programs significantly, improved the quality and character of the student athletes they have recruited and increased graduation rates. Thank you! Completely agree. It is really unfair to compare basketball with 13 scholarships and a 68 team playoff and football with 80 scholarships and a 4 team playoff. You can turn a basketball program around with 2-3 big time recruits. With football it takes many more. The disparity in resources is also much greater in football between the haves and have nots.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 20, 2014 9:16:14 GMT -8
Football is on a good trajectory when you consider the program as a whole, but has a lower ceiling given the difference in the two sports. Basketball has a 64 team plus four playoff in which at least theoretically, any of the those annointed has an unlimited ceiling and shot at the national championship and any Division I program has a chance to be a plyoff qualifier. Football on the other hand was sold out to a cartel of five conferences resulting in a very low ceiling of opportunity for the remaining majority of Division I programs. There is just no comparison between the two sports when it comes to opportunity/trajectory. There is a fair comparison between Coaches Fisher and Long in that they are both very good at what they do, have improved their programs significantly, improved the quality and character of the student athletes they have recruited and increased graduation rates. Thank you! Completely agree. It is really unfair to compare basketball with 13 scholarships and a 68 team playoff and football with 80 scholarships and a 4 team playoff. You can turn a basketball program around with 2-3 big time recruits. With football it takes many more. The disparity in resources is also much greater in football between the haves and have nots. That doesn't make it any harder, there are many more teams you are competing with in basketball which makes it that much harder to land those 2-3 impact recruits. And Rocky has not landed 1 4 star while at SDSU which is pathetic, look at what BSU is doing.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 20, 2014 9:25:32 GMT -8
Thank you! Completely agree. It is really unfair to compare basketball with 13 scholarships and a 68 team playoff and football with 80 scholarships and a 4 team playoff. You can turn a basketball program around with 2-3 big time recruits. With football it takes many more. The disparity in resources is also much greater in football between the haves and have nots. That doesn't make it any harder, there are many more teams you are competing with in basketball which makes it that much harder to land those 2-3 impact recruits. And Rocky has not landed 1 4 star while at SDSU which is pathetic, look at what BSU is doing. so tell me ... of the 300 Div 1 teams, how many are the Aztecs actually competing against for recruits? How long into the Steve Fisher era before he landed his first 4*?
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