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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jul 28, 2014 10:42:46 GMT -8
Here's the thing...a star player on a SDSU team might leave after his Soph. or Jr. year...but to go where?
Most of the elite P5 schools are already 3-4 deep at every position...do you seriously think that a Brice Quigley or Jamaal Franklin transfers to Alabama or Kentucky respectively and starts over highly recruited / already in the system players?...not a chance...
However...looking at it from the perspective of a P5 school...they now have a 4-5 star player who was looking to start as a Freshman...now buried on the depth chart behind a Jr. All-American...knowing that they won't start for at least 2 more years...that guy is thinking that he needs to find a team where he can see the court / field to showcase what he has...(remember...these younger players have usually been stars on their teams at every level that they've played up to this point in their career...now they are on the bench).
I think that it's a good thing for a team like SDSU...bad for tier 1 schools...and a toss-up for schools like Wyoming or Tulsa
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Post by SD Johnny on Jul 28, 2014 11:45:43 GMT -8
Here's the thing...a star player on a SDSU team might leave after his Soph. or Jr. year...but to go where? Not only that, who's to say they wouldn't be totally satisfied kicking ass at SDSU? we'd lose a few occasional players but on would have transfers beating down our door for a spot here and we could afford to be picky. I think the positives would far outweigh the negatives.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 12:28:36 GMT -8
I would just extend the transfer rule to Juniors who have strong academic performances. Or you can play but no schollie the first year. Its not going to happen I do not think. They may open up the waiver process so could can mutually agree to let some kids transfer but not likely, Anyway as I said it would rain Pac 12 players on us I have hrear rumors that a couple of pending lawsuits about the one year contract are driving some of this
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 28, 2014 13:41:27 GMT -8
Here's the thing...a star player on a SDSU team might leave after his Soph. or Jr. year...but to go where? Most of the elite P5 schools are already 3-4 deep at every position...do you seriously think that a Brice Quigley or Jamaal Franklin transfers to Alabama or Kentucky respectively and starts over highly recruited / already in the system players?...not a chance...
However...looking at it from the perspective of a P5 school...they now have a 4-5 star player who was looking to start as a Freshman...now buried on the depth chart behind a Jr. All-American...knowing that they won't start for at least 2 more years...that guy is thinking that he needs to find a team where he can see the court / field to showcase what he has...(remember...these younger players have usually been stars on their teams at every level that they've played up to this point in their career...now they are on the bench). I think that it's a good thing for a team like SDSU...bad for tier 1 schools...and a toss-up for schools like Wyoming or Tulsa
I don't know about Bryce, but I sure as hell could see a Jamal Franklin being wooed by a school in the SEC or Big-12. You bet your socks! Maybe not Kentucky or Kansas most years, but how about Vanderbilt or Mississippi, or Iowa State or Missouri? I do think that such moves would be somewhat rare, but they probably will happen. Furthermore, as I posted before, the worst hit will be when an outstanding player, especially in hoops, goes from a MWC or AAC school to a P5 school.
The players who will want to transfer FROM a P5 school will probably be those who, such as Chol, have potential but have discovered that their teammates are just as talented and are getting lots more PT. Will Arizona miss Chol? I doubt it, since they are knee-deep in H.S. All-Americans. No knock on Chol, who may become another Billy White or Malcolm Thomas here.
On the other hand, a transferring MWC or AAC or Conf-USA player who has turned heads as a sophomore will in almost all cases leave a serious hole in the roster of his original school. What I hate is the concept, quite likely to worsen, of a P5 school being able to toy with an SDSU or a Central Florida the way a cat toys with a mouse.
Bottom line is that a no-sit rule will end up hurting the also-ran schools far more often than the reverse.
AzWm
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Post by rebar619 on Jul 28, 2014 15:00:24 GMT -8
On a basic level penalty free transfers just doesn't smell right to me. It would kill the whole concept of playing out of school pride. Instead athletes would just be hired hands. We can sit and pontificate on what will happen if this rule is adopted, but at the end of the day there will be many unintended consequences that will result. Who will be in the better position to adapt and prosper with the new conditions, the P5 or SDSU? We all know the answer to that.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jul 28, 2014 15:45:54 GMT -8
I will temper my last comment because I didn't factor in soon-to-be "pay for play" rules...
This will indeed change the complete landscape of college athletics...with absolute free-agency (not even in professional sports is this happening...due to long-term contracts)...
Without any transfer restrictions and pay-for-play...it'll be complete free-agency (highest bidder) with essentially only one-year contracts binding them to a team
Expect deep-pocket football schools to suddenly emerge as top-flight BB schools in short order...overpaying for the best talent available
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 28, 2014 16:15:29 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this.
This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster.
Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 28, 2014 21:10:08 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this. This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster. Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen. Are you serious? This would never happen in college sports. There would be lawsuits galore if an attempt were made to tell certain players that they, unlike their teammates, would not be permitted to transfer if they decided to do so. AzWm
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 28, 2014 21:40:21 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this. This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster. Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen. Are you serious? This would never happen in college sports. There would be lawsuits galore if an attempt were made to tell certain players that they, unlike their teammates, would not be permitted to transfer if they decided to do so. AzWm I suppose that would be the difference between a 4 yr scholarship and the scholarship renewed annually ... the 1 year scholarship players can transfer without sitting, while a 4 year scholarship player must negotiate a transfer in order to not sit out a year. I think it could work. EDIT: you could limit the number of 4 yr scholarships to 25 and the other 60 could be the regular yearly type
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 28, 2014 22:37:22 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this. This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster. Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen. Are you serious? This would never happen in college sports. There would be lawsuits galore if an attempt were made to tell certain players that they, unlike their teammates, would not be permitted to transfer if they decided to do so. AzWm They could still transfer just under the current rules.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 29, 2014 8:37:36 GMT -8
Here's the thing...a star player on a SDSU team might leave after his Soph. or Jr. year...but to go where? Most of the elite P5 schools are already 3-4 deep at every position...do you seriously think that a Brice Quigley or Jamaal Franklin transfers to Alabama or Kentucky respectively and starts over highly recruited / already in the system players?...not a chance... However...looking at it from the perspective of a P5 school...they now have a 4-5 star player who was looking to start as a Freshman...now buried on the depth chart behind a Jr. All-American...knowing that they won't start for at least 2 more years...that guy is thinking that he needs to find a team where he can see the court / field to showcase what he has...(remember...these younger players have usually been stars on their teams at every level that they've played up to this point in their career...now they are on the bench). I think that it's a good thing for a team like SDSU...bad for tier 1 schools...and a toss-up for schools like Wyoming or Tulsa Just 3 years ago Kansas skirted NCAA rules by giving a package deal to a player and his best friend to lure a player from SDSU because he only signed a financial aid agreement instead of a LOI? If Kansas was so desparate for a PF, what makes you think transfers without penalty would not result in action like this? Teams could be going into September thinking their team is set but a star player would be nowhere to be found only later learning that he just enrolled at Kansas, like 2012. Hard to plan like that. The rule might actually help SDSU but would be very bad for the conference.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 29, 2014 9:51:44 GMT -8
Here's the thing...a star player on a SDSU team might leave after his Soph. or Jr. year...but to go where? Most of the elite P5 schools are already 3-4 deep at every position...do you seriously think that a Brice Quigley or Jamaal Franklin transfers to Alabama or Kentucky respectively and starts over highly recruited / already in the system players?...not a chance... However...looking at it from the perspective of a P5 school...they now have a 4-5 star player who was looking to start as a Freshman...now buried on the depth chart behind a Jr. All-American...knowing that they won't start for at least 2 more years...that guy is thinking that he needs to find a team where he can see the court / field to showcase what he has...(remember...these younger players have usually been stars on their teams at every level that they've played up to this point in their career...now they are on the bench). I think that it's a good thing for a team like SDSU...bad for tier 1 schools...and a toss-up for schools like Wyoming or Tulsa Just 3 years ago Kansas skirted NCAA rules by giving a package deal to a player and his best friend to lure a player from SDSU because he only signed a financial aid agreement instead of a LOI? If Kansas was so desparate for a PF, what makes you think transfers without penalty would not result in action like this? Teams could be going into September thinking their team is set but a star player would be nowhere to be found only later learning that he just enrolled at Kansas, like 2012. Hard to plan like that. The rule might actually help SDSU but would be very bad for the conference. Maybe, but the rule could state that you have 30 days from the completion of your season to notify coaches of a penalty free transfer. That way you wouldn't have to worry about a basketball player leaving your team with the school year as they would have to declare by the end of April or so.
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 29, 2014 10:00:00 GMT -8
Just 3 years ago Kansas skirted NCAA rules by giving a package deal to a player and his best friend to lure a player from SDSU because he only signed a financial aid agreement instead of a LOI? If Kansas was so desparate for a PF, what makes you think transfers without penalty would not result in action like this? Teams could be going into September thinking their team is set but a star player would be nowhere to be found only later learning that he just enrolled at Kansas, like 2012. Hard to plan like that. The rule might actually help SDSU but would be very bad for the conference. Maybe, but the rule could state that you have 30 days from the completion of your season to notify coaches of a penalty free transfer. That way you wouldn't have to worry about a basketball player leaving your team with the school year as they would have to declare by the end of April or so. the notification date should coincide with the completion of the season of whatever sport it is ... for instance the day of the NCAA Basketball Championships, mid-night is the deadline for penalty free transfer. Similar for Volleyball, Golf or whatever.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 29, 2014 10:01:01 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this. This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster. Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen. If you implement as you note later with 4 year and 1 year scholarship you could limit who and how many leave on a penalty free transfer. If you tried to do it without different scholarship types, you would have to "bargain" with the players, moving closer to employer - employee relationships.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 29, 2014 10:17:20 GMT -8
Being able to limit select players solves all the problems with this. This is like the NFL's franchise players or baseball's 40 man roster. Football select 25 players and basketball 6 players who are under the old rules. Simple addition that solves all the issues everyone is afraid would happen. If you implement as you note later with 4 year and 1 year scholarship you could limit who and how many leave on a penalty free transfer. If you tried to do it without different scholarship types, you would have to "bargain" with the players, moving closer to employer - employee relationships. Bargain? We don't need no stinkin' bargain...
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