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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 26, 2014 13:03:15 GMT -8
m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/26/football-no-penalty-transfer-mw/Didn't see this posted yet. I couldn't disagree more with Long and Davie. Right now the vast majority of talent goes to about 40 schools. Those schools end up with folks like our transferred Rodriguez who can't start for Oregon, but could start for any one of 20 other schools. There are a lot of players like that who would transfer if there was no penalty.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 26, 2014 13:55:36 GMT -8
“I’ve watched a lot of NFL football,” Davie said. “The cheerleaders look different; the crowd is different; the atmosphere of the game is different; do we want that in college football?”
I agree that College Football is unique, not sure the stipend makes them pro, but get the sentiment of what this leads to down the road.
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Post by Gundo on Jul 26, 2014 14:12:19 GMT -8
m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/26/football-no-penalty-transfer-mw/Didn't see this posted yet. I couldn't disagree more with Long and Davie. Right now the vast majority of talent goes to about 40 schools. Those schools end up with folks like our transferred Rodriguez who can't start for Oregon, but could start for any one of 20 other schools. There are a lot of players like that who would transfer if there was no penalty. I disagree with the proposed transfer rule, the big 5 conferences will use all others like the minor leagues. The other issue I have with this rule is that it does nothing for academics and graduation. Students will never graduate once eligibility is done. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 26, 2014 15:03:28 GMT -8
the P5 will say that the no sit transfer rule ,( if the student /athlete has a 2.6 GPA or above )but not within the conference, rewards the guy that is doing well in the class room but finds he did not make the correct decision about schools for football . They are going to do what is best for them , use the No P 's/the Dope's as minor league for them , but allow the guys who are third or fourth stringers to transfer away ( if the MW and others pass the same no sit rule) . Also frees up scholarships for the P5 .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 15:10:44 GMT -8
m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/26/football-no-penalty-transfer-mw/Didn't see this posted yet. I couldn't disagree more with Long and Davie. Right now the vast majority of talent goes to about 40 schools. Those schools end up with folks like our transferred Rodriguez who can't start for Oregon, but could start for any one of 20 other schools. There are a lot of players like that who would transfer if there was no penalty. I'm generally for penalty free transfers but remember, it can go the other way too. An underachiever proves better than expected at a lower tier school and is inclined to go to a better program. |
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Post by sdsuballer on Jul 26, 2014 15:40:08 GMT -8
m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/26/football-no-penalty-transfer-mw/Didn't see this posted yet. I couldn't disagree more with Long and Davie. Right now the vast majority of talent goes to about 40 schools. Those schools end up with folks like our transferred Rodriguez who can't start for Oregon, but could start for any one of 20 other schools. There are a lot of players like that who would transfer if there was no penalty. I'm generally for penalty free transfers but remember, it can go the other way too. An underachiever proves better than expected at a lower tier school and is inclined to go to a better program. Im all for this penalty free transfer if the initial HC coach you sign with leaves the program, gets fired, program is placed on probation, or retires... The other thing i would like to see is a reduction of football scholarship from 85 to to possibly 75 scholarships... This would help offset some of the cost of the stipends and eliminate unneccesary olympic sports... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 15:41:18 GMT -8
Well it will not hurt SDSU much, most likely help us. However, it would be lethal to Wyoming. MAC schools etc anyplace that's not so pleasant to live. It would rain PAC 12 players on us, not vice versa.
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Post by standiego on Jul 26, 2014 15:48:21 GMT -8
Would appreciate an explanation . If the P5 vote passes on August 7 . Does that mean they have one set of rules for all P5 conferences or does each conference get to set their own rules ?
If the P5 passes . Do the remaining conferences have to stay under the current NCAA rules or are given the option of adopting the same rules as the P5 .? Transfer Rule for one ?
Little doubt if the PFT goes into affect and every conference has it there could be a revolving door of transfers
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Post by fowl on Jul 26, 2014 19:38:45 GMT -8
Well it will not hurt SDSU much, most likely help us. However, it would be lethal to Wyoming. MAC schools etc anyplace that's not so pleasant to live. It would rain PAC 12 players on us, not vice versa. Disagree. No one is going to want Wyoming's or the MAC's players. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 26, 2014 20:27:37 GMT -8
Well it will not hurt SDSU much, most likely help us. However, it would be lethal to Wyoming. MAC schools etc anyplace that's not so pleasant to live. It would rain PAC 12 players on us, not vice versa. Disagree. No one is going to want Wyoming's or the MAC's players.
Wait a minute. Even a Wyoming or New Mexico gets a super athlete once in a while. I'm thinking especially of those players who don't look terrific just out of high school but make themselves stars after a year or two on the varsity. Those guys are probably the heart of their program, perhaps the difference between a 7-5 regular season (with a bowl invitation) and 5-7 losing season.
But there is another consideration that we should not ignore. What about basketball? You don't think that there are plenty of players in the MWC, the AAC, etc., who are outstanding and would be of interest to P5 schools that believe they need just one or two more quality men to contend for a N.C.?
Allowing a player to transfer and play without sitting (unless under hardship circumstances) would destroy college sports as we know them. But, then, college sports are in terrible shape compared to a century ago. Yes, it's been about that long since amateurism was the rule.
AzWm
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Post by SD Johnny on Jul 26, 2014 20:56:10 GMT -8
Rocky couldn't be more wrong but Davie has good reason to be terrified. Lets hope this happens.
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Post by uncledougy on Jul 27, 2014 0:47:21 GMT -8
m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/26/football-no-penalty-transfer-mw/Didn't see this posted yet. I couldn't disagree more with Long and Davie. Right now the vast majority of talent goes to about 40 schools. Those schools end up with folks like our transferred Rodriguez who can't start for Oregon, but could start for any one of 20 other schools. There are a lot of players like that who would transfer if there was no penalty. I'm generally for penalty free transfers but remember, it can go the other way too. An underachiever proves better than expected at a lower tier school and is inclined to go to a better program. I wondered the same thing about an over achiever. If we had a guy that became a world beater he would run the risk of losing play time transferring to a "bigger" school. I wouldn't be so worried because guys that perform well usually have it pretty good and it would be a real crapshoot to throw that away. I see this benefitting the non-p5's since so many of the guys could be playing limited minutes and if they had an option to just pick up and move in order to play they would. You can't make it to the NFL if you are sitting on the bench. This rule would result in the P5's having less experienced guys on the depth chart. I am all for it. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 27, 2014 7:01:55 GMT -8
Disagree. No one is going to want Wyoming's or the MAC's players.
Wait a minute. Even a Wyoming or New Mexico gets a super athlete once in a while. I'm thinking especially of those players who don't look terrific just out of high school but make themselves stars after a year or two on the varsity. Those guys are probably the heart of their program, perhaps the difference between a 7-5 regular season (with a bowl invitation) and 5-7 losing season.
But there is another consideration that we should not ignore. What about basketball? You don't think that there are plenty of players in the MWC, the AAC, etc., who are outstanding and would be of interest to P5 schools that believe they need just one or two more quality men to contend for a N.C.?
Allowing a player to transfer and play without sitting (unless under hardship circumstances) would destroy college sports as we know them. But, then, college sports are in terrible shape compared to a century ago. Yes, it's been about that long since amateurism was the rule.
AzWm
More than 40% of all D1 basketball players transfer during their career, I am not sure how many more would transfer with this rule. Again, I would point to someone like Lee at Kentucky. If it were penalty free, would he move now, I think he would. There would be a lot more guys like him that got recruited over than guys at MW schools that could play up. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 27, 2014 8:29:09 GMT -8
The bigger picture is higher $ stipends to athletes, fewer rules for the Power 5 to govern themselves, stockpile of players, and treat their programs like the professional system with big pay days from TV contracts. The penalty free transfer rule just plays into getting the best players no mater the circumstances and would treat the next 5: MWC, AAC, Con USA, Sun Belt and MAC like the minor leagues. There has to be middle ground and not let the power 5 to rule the FBS landscape or the power base should be increased to schools who meet the same criteria.
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Post by standiego on Jul 27, 2014 10:40:13 GMT -8
the P5 schools are either going to get the vote passed on Aug 7 or they are going to establish a new division for football . So better be prepared for new rules and plan accordingly .
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Post by Gundo on Jul 27, 2014 11:12:47 GMT -8
the P5 schools are either going to get the vote passed on Aug 7 or they are going to establish a new division for football . So better be prepared for new rules and plan accordingly . Looks like its time to get the SDSU marketing department and the athletic departments aligned and pitch the PAC 12 and Big 12. We don't have the pedigree for B1G and the football program for the SEC and we're too far from the Atlantic Coast since we are located on the Pacific Ocean. The PAC 12 doesn't want to extend an with SDSU since they already recruit from SD area; however, that's were we belong. The Big12 could benefit from a So Cal TV marketplace, but we would need to upgrade our football facilities as were are with MBB. We would be 1st or 2nd in the Big12 for BB. It would be Kansas and us, beware. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 27, 2014 11:14:30 GMT -8
Wait a minute. Even a Wyoming or New Mexico gets a super athlete once in a while. I'm thinking especially of those players who don't look terrific just out of high school but make themselves stars after a year or two on the varsity. Those guys are probably the heart of their program, perhaps the difference between a 7-5 regular season (with a bowl invitation) and 5-7 losing season.
But there is another consideration that we should not ignore. What about basketball? You don't think that there are plenty of players in the MWC, the AAC, etc., who are outstanding and would be of interest to P5 schools that believe they need just one or two more quality men to contend for a N.C.?
Allowing a player to transfer and play without sitting (unless under hardship circumstances) would destroy college sports as we know them. But, then, college sports are in terrible shape compared to a century ago. Yes, it's been about that long since amateurism was the rule.
AzWm
More than 40% of all D1 basketball players transfer during their career, I am not sure how many more would transfer with this rule.
Again, I would point to someone like Lee at Kentucky. If it were penalty free, would he move now, I think he would. There would be a lot more guys like him that got recruited over than guys at MW schools that could play up. What would we have done in 2011 if Leonard had transferred to UCLA or North Carolina after the 2010 season? It would take only one super player leaving to seriously hurt the chances of one of the Group of 5 teams (or from lesser conferences such as the WCC or Atlantic-10). That could easily happen if players are allowed to transfer without sitting a year. This possible change is no small deal. AzWm |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 27, 2014 11:18:56 GMT -8
More than 40% of all D1 basketball players transfer during their career, I am not sure how many more would transfer with this rule.
Again, I would point to someone like Lee at Kentucky. If it were penalty free, would he move now, I think he would. There would be a lot more guys like him that got recruited over than guys at MW schools that could play up. What would we have done in 2011 if Leonard has transferred to UCLA or North Carolina after the 2010 season? It would take only one super player leaving to seriously hurt the chances of one of the Group of 5 teams (or from lesser conferences such as the WCC or Atlantic-10). That could easily happen if players are allowed to transfer without sitting a year. This possible change is no small deal. AzWm What if Chol was available last year? Do we make the final 8? Final 4? |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 27, 2014 11:19:56 GMT -8
More than 40% of all D1 basketball players transfer during their career, I am not sure how many more would transfer with this rule.
Again, I would point to someone like Lee at Kentucky. If it were penalty free, would he move now, I think he would. There would be a lot more guys like him that got recruited over than guys at MW schools that could play up. What would we have done in 2011 if Leonard has transferred to UCLA or North Carolina after the 2010 season? It would take only one super player leaving to seriously hurt the chances of one of the Group of 5 teams (or from lesser conferences such as the WCC or Atlantic-10). That could easily happen if players are allowed to transfer without sitting a year. This possible change is no small deal. AzWm I agree whole heartedly, why recruit? it will just be a player auction with the highest bid paying the most for the best players. Might as well just create an on-line auction based model like eBay. Who needs coaches and alumni, who needs tradition and loyalty? The whole system sucks and the Power 5 aren't making it any better! |
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Post by standiego on Jul 27, 2014 11:46:18 GMT -8
The P5 are going to do what is best for them . They are going to say it helps the Student , if they have a 2.6 GPA or above then the student deserves to go where he wants - other then schools in the same conference . Allows the student more Freedom . They will also say it insures the guys do well in the classroom. They are also going to limit football practice hours . It also removes the third or fourth string guys that they had on the books for a 4 year scholarship - although they are not going to say it .
Most likely going to happen so be prepared . Also means you better really do a good job making sure the guys you sign are sold on your school and the coaches have a good personal connection with the athlete . Agree will benefit teams that are winning , and producing guys for the NFL .
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