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Post by aztec70 on Jun 13, 2014 11:24:59 GMT -8
I read that Iran has offered weapons and advisors to help Baghdad. The Iranian government has been in contact with ours and there are discussions about how Iran and the US can work together to help Baghdad against ISIL. Who would have thought?
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 13, 2014 15:49:30 GMT -8
Wait and see what happens. Does not seem to make sense since Iran may be the ones arming the ISIL indirectly.
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 13, 2014 19:30:34 GMT -8
Wait and see what happens. Does not seem to make sense since Iran may be the ones arming the ISIL indirectly. Why do you think that? |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 14, 2014 6:48:26 GMT -8
Wait and see what happens. Does not seem to make sense since Iran may be the ones arming the ISIL indirectly. Why do you think that? Well, since they were part of AQ until the split and Iran was funding AQ it stands to reason. Now it would appear that the Gulf States are one source of funds. This is getting stranger than I thought. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_in_Iraq_and_the_LevantThis is just one more reason we should have never just "down tools" and left Iraq before the job was finished. Iraq was still years away from being able to defend and govern itself. You can lay most of this mess at the feet of Obummer. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 14, 2014 7:32:49 GMT -8
Well, since they were part of AQ until the split and Iran was funding AQ it stands to reason. Now it would appear that the Gulf States are one source of funds. This is getting stranger than I thought. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_in_Iraq_and_the_LevantThis is just one more reason we should have never just "down tools" and left Iraq before the job was finished. Iraq was still years away from being able to defend and govern itself. You can lay most of this mess at the feet of Obummer. I doubt Iran was funding AQ. Iran is Shiite. AQ is Sunni. The two sects do not get along is a vast understatement. I think Iran is making this offer for two reasons; first, Maliki is Shiite, second Iran does support Assad in Syria. ISIL is fighting Assad. Assad is an Alawite, which is Shia. This is sectarian civil war. To say that Iran is supporting AQ would be like saying the Vatican is supporting the Orangemen in Northern Ireland. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 14, 2014 7:40:44 GMT -8
Well, since they were part of AQ until the split and Iran was funding AQ it stands to reason. Now it would appear that the Gulf States are one source of funds. This is getting stranger than I thought. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_in_Iraq_and_the_LevantThis is just one more reason we should have never just "down tools" and left Iraq before the job was finished. Iraq was still years away from being able to defend and govern itself. You can lay most of this mess at the feet of Obummer. I doubt Iran was funding AQ. Iran is Shiite. AQ is Sunni. The two sects do not get along is a vast understatement. I think Iran is making this offer for two reasons; first, Maliki is Shiite, second Iran does support Assad in Syria. ISIL is fighting Assad. Assad is an Alawite, which is Shia. This is sectarian civil war. To say that Iran is supporting AQ would be like saying the Vatican is supporting the Orangemen in Northern Ireland. Maybe, and if so then most funding would be coming from the Gulf States. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 14, 2014 7:48:35 GMT -8
I doubt Iran was funding AQ. Iran is Shiite. AQ is Sunni. The two sects do not get along is a vast understatement. I think Iran is making this offer for two reasons; first, Maliki is Shiite, second Iran does support Assad in Syria. ISIL is fighting Assad. Assad is an Alawite, which is Shia. This is sectarian civil war. To say that Iran is supporting AQ would be like saying the Vatican is supporting the Orangemen in Northern Ireland. Maybe, and if so then most funding would be coming from the Gulf States. That seems likely, especially Saudi Arabia. Wahabism is rife there. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 14, 2014 7:57:04 GMT -8
Maybe, and if so then most funding would be coming from the Gulf States. That seems likely, especially Saudi Arabia. Wahabism is rife there. Just one more reason to wean ourselves from Arab oil and let the Middle East Gulf States fall back into the stone Age. Keystone would help as would opening more Federal Land to development. Drive the price of oil down and we would see a huge change in the world economy. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 16, 2014 13:19:42 GMT -8
Can the neocons just push for destruction of Saudi Arabia? That's a cause we can all coalesce around. Too bad they all have so many financial ties for that to ever happen.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 16, 2014 15:15:32 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jun 16, 2014 19:29:17 GMT -8
Obama was so stupid to let this happen by pulling out prematurely. Well, if he hadn't prematurely pulled out you would have forced him to carry to term. Lose-lose for Obama, just like always. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 16, 2014 20:08:10 GMT -8
Was the Iraqi government anxious to have us stay in Iraq? Were they clamoring for more years of American troops? I don't remember that. Who remembers that?
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Post by azteccc on Jun 16, 2014 20:22:06 GMT -8
Was the Iraqi government anxious to have us stay in Iraq? Were they clamoring for more years of American troops? I don't remember that. Who remembers that? But we spread democracy! Never you mind the opposition journalists being thrown in jail or murdered. They oppose us and our installed leaders around the world? - They deserve it. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 16, 2014 21:20:11 GMT -8
Thanks, cc, for jogging my memory. Interesting that the cons have been jabbering about how Obama should have stayed in Iraq, when he was required to withdraw our troops by a treaty signed by GW Bush. Just got to love how cons ignore facts to make up reasons to blast Obama.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 17, 2014 11:59:47 GMT -8
Was the Iraqi government anxious to have us stay in Iraq? Were they clamoring for more years of American troops? I don't remember that. Who remembers that? Our crack diplomatic corps was unable to hammer out a Status of Forces agreement. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 17, 2014 12:03:44 GMT -8
Was the Iraqi government anxious to have us stay in Iraq? Were they clamoring for more years of American troops? I don't remember that. Who remembers that? Our crack diplomatic corps was unable to hammer out a Status of Forces agreement. LOL. We had one. Bush signed it. It was expiring. The other parry to the agreement said, "No". |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 17, 2014 15:43:58 GMT -8
Our crack diplomatic corps was unable to hammer out a Status of Forces agreement. LOL. We had one. Bush signed it. It was expiring. The other parry to the agreement said, "No". The successful agreement expired and the incompetent attempt by the Obama regime was a massive fail. Now his entire effort as far as Iraq is concerned is a massive failure. Now he is getting ready to do the same in Afghanistan. I would be hard pressed to find anything that Obama or Hillary have done that is a real success in any area. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 17, 2014 16:31:30 GMT -8
LOL. We had one. Bush signed it. It was expiring. The other parry to the agreement said, "No". The successful agreement expired and the incompetent attempt by the Obama regime was a massive fail. Now his entire effort as far as Iraq is concerned is a massive failure. Now he is getting ready to do the same in Afghanistan. I would be hard pressed to find anything that Obama or Hillary have done that is a real success in any area. Of course. Haters continue to hate. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 17, 2014 18:05:09 GMT -8
LOL. We had one. Bush signed it. It was expiring. The other parry to the agreement said, "No". The successful agreement expired and the incompetent attempt by the Obama regime was a massive fail. Now his entire effort as far as Iraq is concerned is a massive failure. Now he is getting ready to do the same in Afghanistan. I would be hard pressed to find anything that Obama or Hillary have done that is a real success in any area. You made me laugh.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 18, 2014 4:21:36 GMT -8
The successful agreement expired and the incompetent attempt by the Obama regime was a massive fail. Now his entire effort as far as Iraq is concerned is a massive failure. Now he is getting ready to do the same in Afghanistan. I would be hard pressed to find anything that Obama or Hillary have done that is a real success in any area. You made me laugh. Do you have any idea what really happened? We wanted to leave 23K troops. Maliki would have taken that deal and Iran would have been held at bay. Biden who was in charge of that exchange on behalf of Obummer reduced the number down to where it was not viable and Maliki could not go along. This is on the head of Obama and Biden. We could have had a stable Iraq but for the stupid Obummer desire to leave just 1K troops behind. |
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