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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2014 14:48:30 GMT -8
Got a question for the cons. You guys keep saying if we had just stayed in Iraq longer everything would have worked out just fine. How come that did not happen? Did we not make the offer? Or did Obama just decide on his own to withdraw our troops? That seems to be what I am hearing. Is that what happened?
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 15, 2014 15:41:26 GMT -8
William, have you had a chance to count the number of times WMDs were mentioned after a "whereas"? Seems to more than two. What is your point? You are trying to something of nothing. William posted the excerpt that he wanted. Saddam gassed the Kurds. Where did that material go? There were WMDs, the question is and was where did they go. Looking back, I can see where we should have done things differently, namely not worrying about collateral damage at all and not putting any troops on the ground other than Special Forces for specific operations. We should have used massive air strikes, gun ships and drones. I realize that is a cruel way to go at it, but we are talking about people, not just AQ, that want us all dead. We are making the same mistake in Afghanistan if we just quit. This could have all been over but we would have every Muslim in the World hating us. Oh! Wait! They already do and did.
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2014 16:32:12 GMT -8
William, have you had a chance to count the number of times WMDs were mentioned after a "whereas"? Seems to more than two. What is your point? You are trying to something of nothing. William posted the excerpt that he wanted. Saddam gassed the Kurds. Where did that material go? There were WMDs, the question is and was where did they go. Looking back, I can see where we should have done things differently, namely not worrying about collateral damage at all and not putting any troops on the ground other than Special Forces for specific operations. We should have used massive air strikes, gun ships and drones. I realize that is a cruel way to go at it, but we are talking about people, not just AQ, that want us all dead. We are making the same mistake in Afghanistan if we just quit. This could have all been over but we would have every Muslim in the World hating us. Oh! Wait! They already do and did. Lots of questions there. My point is that the reason we went to war with Iraq was to prevent them from using WMDs on us. The evidence was conjured up by the Bush-Cheney administration. That is why they should be in jail. William disagreed and said it was 2 out 22 teasons. He is wrong. I posted the actual document to show he was wrong, opposed to his taking a snippet out of an opinion piece. Turns out there were no WMDs in Iraq as they had been destroyed after the first Gulf War. Your screed about killing who knows many people, millions maybe, just because they are Muslim I will leave untouched.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 15, 2014 16:54:27 GMT -8
What is your point? You are trying to something of nothing. William posted the excerpt that he wanted. Saddam gassed the Kurds. Where did that material go? There were WMDs, the question is and was where did they go. Looking back, I can see where we should have done things differently, namely not worrying about collateral damage at all and not putting any troops on the ground other than Special Forces for specific operations. We should have used massive air strikes, gun ships and drones. I realize that is a cruel way to go at it, but we are talking about people, not just AQ, that want us all dead. We are making the same mistake in Afghanistan if we just quit. This could have all been over but we would have every Muslim in the World hating us. Oh! Wait! They already do and did. Lots of questions there. My point is that the reason we went to war with Iraq was to prevent them from using WMDs on us. The evidence was conjured up by the Bush-Cheney administration. That is why they should be in jail. William disagreed and said it was 2 out 22 teasons. He is wrong. I posted the actual document to show he was wrong, opposed to his taking a snippet out of an opinion piece. Turns out there were no WMDs in Iraq as they had been destroyed after the first Gulf War. Your screed about killing who knows many people, millions maybe, just because they are Muslim I will leave untouched. As usual, you are dead wrong. If the Kurds got gassed it stands to reason Saddam had WMDs. Where did they go? I never said kill millions, I said don't worry about collateral damage. If people are there with the AQ folks they should have the sense to get out of the way. If anyone needs to be in jail it is Obama for running out before the job was done and telling us the human capital we spent there was for nothing. That is criminal.
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2014 17:47:52 GMT -8
Lots of questions there. My point is that the reason we went to war with Iraq was to prevent them from using WMDs on us. The evidence was conjured up by the Bush-Cheney administration. That is why they should be in jail. William disagreed and said it was 2 out 22 teasons. He is wrong. I posted the actual document to show he was wrong, opposed to his taking a snippet out of an opinion piece. Turns out there were no WMDs in Iraq as they had been destroyed after the first Gulf War. Your screed about killing who knows many people, millions maybe, just because they are Muslim I will leave untouched. As usual, you are dead wrong. If the Kurds got gassed it stands to reason Saddam had WMDs. Where did they go? I never said kill millions, I said don't worry about collateral damage. If people are there with the AQ folks they should have the sense to get out of the way. If anyone needs to be in jail it is Obama for running out before the job was done and telling us the human capital we spent there was for nothing. That is criminal. A little reading comprehension would be useful for you. I clearly told you that after the frst Gulf War Iraq's WMDs were destroyed. You could look it up in 30 seconds.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Jun 15, 2014 19:10:53 GMT -8
You have done it for me. Thanks. (By the way, I noticed that the resolution was dated 10-16-2002. That was my 60th birthday, not that it's terribly relevant.) Now that I'm thinking of it, I'd like to counter one complaint we hear often from the Democrats. namely that Bush "rushed to war" in the case of Iraq. Another example of the Democrats playing fast and loose with the facts of history. As a matter of facts, Pres. Bush worked on gaining congressional and public support for one and a half years before the actual fighting began. One can certainly argue that the whole thing was a mistake, hut one cannot argue that it was simply a matter of G.W. Bush jumping out of bed one morning shouting "Hey, let's invade Iraq." AzWm
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2014 19:14:37 GMT -8
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2014 19:19:06 GMT -8
You have done it for me. Thanks. (By the way, I noticed that the resolution was dated 10-16-2002. That was my 60th birthday, not that it's terribly relevant.) Now that I'm thinking of it, I'd like to counter one complaint we hear often from the Democrats. namely that Bush "rushed to war" in the case of Iraq. Another example of the Democrats playing fast and loose with the facts of history. As a matter of facts, Pres. Bush worked on gaining congressional and public support for one and a half years before the actual fighting began. One can certainly argue that the whole thing was a mistake, hut one cannot argue that it was simply a matter of G.W. Bush jumping out of bed one morning shouting "Hey, let's invade Iraq." AzWm You are welcome. Always happy when I can educate someone. Bush did not wake up one morning and decide to invade. He wanted to invade from before he was in the White House. It took 9/11 to give him the momentum to achieve his misbegotten goal.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Jun 15, 2014 20:37:48 GMT -8
What is your point? You are trying to something of nothing. William posted the excerpt that he wanted. Saddam gassed the Kurds. Where did that material go? There were WMDs, the question is and was where did they go. Looking back, I can see where we should have done things differently, namely not worrying about collateral damage at all and not putting any troops on the ground other than Special Forces for specific operations. We should have used massive air strikes, gun ships and drones. I realize that is a cruel way to go at it, but we are talking about people, not just AQ, that want us all dead. We are making the same mistake in Afghanistan if we just quit. This could have all been over but we would have every Muslim in the World hating us. Oh! Wait! They already do and did. Lots of questions there. My point is that the reason we went to war with Iraq was to prevent them from using WMDs on us. The evidence was conjured up by the Bush-Cheney administration. That is why they should be in jail. William disagreed and said it was 2 out 22 teasons. He is wrong. I posted the actual document to show he was wrong, opposed to his taking a snippet out of an opinion piece. Turns out there were no WMDs in Iraq as they had been destroyed after the first Gulf War. Your screed about killing who knows many people, millions maybe, just because they are Muslim I will leave untouched. How was I wrong? Did you read the resolution you linked to? The most important factors listed have to do with Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. The fact is that Saddam agreed to certain terms in order to avoid further military action against him. He violated those terms, which is tantamount to breaking the terms of one's probation. What happens when you violate the terms of your probation? AzWm
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 16, 2014 5:14:39 GMT -8
What did you do wrong, William? Being unable to factcheck your sources for one thing. When confronted by the fallacy of the statement that only 2 of the 22 paragraphs speak about WMDs you are unable to count. Failing to be able to count is wrong. Of course, it quite usual for conservatives to be unable to understand facts that prove their opinions wrong. Therefore, the thing you got most wrong is your politics. It is not to late to open your eyes and ears, William.
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Post by davdesid on Jun 16, 2014 15:13:03 GMT -8
William, I am disappointed seeing you taking the bait and allowing Mister Quibble to deflect from this administration's epic failure concerning the current situation in Iraq, despite their glowing pronouncements of how success in Iraq was going to be a really big signature accomplishment for Obama and his administration.
When Mister Quibble tries deflect this current Obama goat rodeo to "Booosh" a dozen years ago, the answer is quite simple:
"What DIFFERENCE, at THIS point, DOES - IT - MAKE???
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 16, 2014 18:18:51 GMT -8
William, I am disappointed seeing you taking the bait and allowing Mister Quibble to deflect from this administration's epic failure concerning the current situation in Iraq, despite their glowing pronouncements of how success in Iraq was going to be a really big signature accomplishment for Obama and his administration. When Mister Quibble tries deflect this current Obama goat rodeo to "Booosh" a dozen years ago, the answer is quite simple: "What DIFFERENCE, at THIS point, DOES - IT - MAKE??? Right, right. No point in investigating the foundation when a building collapses. It has to be the roof's fault. The real point is conservatives will never admit to the MASSIVE FAILURES that have inflicted on our great country.
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Post by azson on Jun 17, 2014 8:19:25 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on Jun 17, 2014 11:52:23 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on Jun 17, 2014 12:20:34 GMT -8
William, I am disappointed seeing you taking the bait and allowing Mister Quibble to deflect from this administration's epic failure concerning the current situation in Iraq, despite their glowing pronouncements of how success in Iraq was going to be a really big signature accomplishment for Obama and his administration. When Mister Quibble tries deflect this current Obama goat rodeo to "Booosh" a dozen years ago, the answer is quite simple: "What DIFFERENCE, at THIS point, DOES - IT - MAKE??? Right, right. No point in investigating the foundation when a building collapses. It has to be the roof's fault. The real point is conservatives will never admit to the MASSIVE FAILURES that have inflicted on our great country. I would have guessed that Obama and Biden were satisfied with the foundation or they wouldn't have offered their glowing pronouncements on the strength of the building years after the foundation was built. The real point is these sleeze balls will never admit to their MASSIVE FAILURE by deferring maintenance.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 17, 2014 13:17:51 GMT -8
Pat Buchanan on Iraq. "Their war, not ours". I don't agree with him very often but this time he is dead on point. >> link <<
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Post by davdesid on Jun 17, 2014 13:51:07 GMT -8
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 17, 2014 15:16:28 GMT -8
So. How many more Americans have to die to protect China's oil?
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