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Post by standiego on Apr 24, 2014 8:23:34 GMT -8
the Maui T .May get two high quality games- Great team in it Arizona-(we would need to get to the championship game) good teams K- State or BYU,(possible second round game-top 50 teams). Not sure what expectations are for nationally known teams Pitt (ACC), Mizzu(SEC) or Purdue (BIG) or the home team from Hawaii. Definite games booked for OOC at Washington and home USD. I do think the teams that are supposed to be higher ranked in the MW-CSU,BSU, Cowboys, Fresno, even the Lobos need to play some top 100 teams , if they want to be considered for MM , NIT .... There is no secret that the MW has been below par the last few years. Either step up on the court or quit complaining the conference gets no respect. The Rebels , are stepping up, have Arizona-who they played tough at Arizona , Kansas and possibly Duke on their OOC schedule. Why not have the MW/WCC conference challenge - Aztecs would get Gonzaga. Rebels and Aztecs can recruit top 100 recruits ,not sure about others. CSU is trying to go the transfer route . BSU has their senior shooters and is bringing in some big guys down low . They lost key OOC games last year to Kentucky and Iowa State . They also showed their name should be " Money driven Cowardly Lions" by refusing to play in the lower BB tournaments, where they may have to pay some money(they got from MW football deal) to play . At least Fresno showed they cared to show the MW has some teams that want to play. Even USD made an effort and played.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 28, 2014 10:05:03 GMT -8
According to Andy Katz, the Cincinnati game does not have a return game.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 29, 2014 9:11:25 GMT -8
the Maui T .May get two high quality games- Great team in it Arizona-(we would need to get to the championship game) good teams K- State or BYU,(possible second round game-top 50 teams). Not sure what expectations are for nationally known teams Pitt (ACC), Mizzu(SEC) or Purdue (BIG) or the home team from Hawaii. Definite games booked for OOC at Washington and home USD. I do think the teams that are supposed to be higher ranked in the MW-CSU,BSU, Cowboys, Fresno, even the Lobos need to play some top 100 teams , if they want to be considered for MM , NIT .... There is no secret that the MW has been below par the last few years. Either step up on the court or quit complaining the conference gets no respect. The Rebels , are stepping up, have Arizona-who they played tough at Arizona , Kansas and possibly Duke on their OOC schedule. Why not have the MW/WCC conference challenge - Aztecs would get Gonzaga. Rebels and Aztecs can recruit top 100 recruits ,not sure about others. CSU is trying to go the transfer route . BSU has their senior shooters and is bringing in some big guys down low . They lost key OOC games last year to Kentucky and Iowa State . They also showed their name should be " Money driven Cowardly Lions" by refusing to play in the lower BB tournaments, where they may have to pay some money(they got from MW football deal) to play . At least Fresno showed they cared to show the MW has some teams that want to play. Even USD made an effort and played. Last few years? Last year the MWC was below par but the year before we got 5 of 9 teams in the NCAA tournament. That was the result of a great OOC schedule and very good results OOC.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Apr 29, 2014 11:34:14 GMT -8
So far...
Maui Invitational (3 Neutral Court Games, at least 2 should be against bubble or better teams - hopefully no Chaminade) at Washington at Cincinnati USD CSUN?
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 29, 2014 11:40:20 GMT -8
We just need a solid OOC schedule but more importantly others in the MW to have solid OOC records with a couple really good wins. UNLV, Wyoming, Boise and even Fresno have the ability to get some good wins.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 29, 2014 12:17:12 GMT -8
We just need a solid OOC schedule but more importantly others in the MW to have solid OOC records with a couple really good wins. UNLV, Wyoming, Boise and even Fresno have the ability to get some good wins. The bottom of the conference just needs to win. A bad schedule with a good record is very good for the bottom half of the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 12:51:27 GMT -8
Love the Maui Invitational and the roadie to Cincy. Only concern/potential gripe is the lack of a signature OOC home game...easier said than done over the last few years. Hoping to at least get a PAC-12 team or two into Viejas. Would love to have a Big 12 team come to town. The Kansas return game in 2015-16 can't come soon enough.
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Post by standiego on Apr 29, 2014 12:55:56 GMT -8
The MW was lucky to get 5 teams in MM that year but the major factor for quality is how many games your conference wins in MM - that year believe MW ended up 2-5 - in my opinion that is not very good and started most calling the MW an over rated conference . Definitely hurt the Lobos last year and even BSU with the NIT. If any team wants to be considered for MM from the MW - the message is very clear from the selection group . Schedule some quality teams in your OOC resume , that includes neutral and road games .If teams want credibility go out and schedule quality games and win them. The rest of the nation already knows the bottom teams in the MW are not very good . There may be terrible places to travel to or have altitude problems but that does not get teams any brownie points.
Has the game with Cincy been officially scheduled ?
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Post by hoobs on Apr 29, 2014 13:39:04 GMT -8
We just need a solid OOC schedule but more importantly others in the MW to have solid OOC records with a couple really good wins. UNLV, Wyoming, Boise and even Fresno have the ability to get some good wins. The bottom of the conference just needs to win. A bad schedule with a good record is very good for the bottom half of the conference. Not just the bottom, but the middle and top as well. IIRC, other than SDSU... with very few exceptions... the MW across the board. was very weak in OOC this past season. UNM & Boise were okay (barely), but UNLV & Nevada were pretty weak.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 29, 2014 13:44:37 GMT -8
The MW was lucky to get 5 teams in MM that year but the major factor for quality is how many games your conference wins in MM - that year believe MW ended up 2-5 - in my opinion that is not very good and started most calling the MW an over rated conference . Definitely hurt the Lobos last year and even BSU with the NIT. If any team wants to be considered for MM from the MW - the message is very clear from the selection group . Schedule some quality teams in your OOC resume , that includes neutral and road games .If teams want credibility go out and schedule quality games and win them. The rest of the nation already knows the bottom teams in the MW are not very good . There may be terrible places to travel to or have altitude problems but that does not get teams any brownie points. Has the game with Cincy been officially scheduled ? The MWC was not lucky to get 5 teams in March Madness in 2013. When conference play began, I stated that we would get 5. That is because our conferences winning percentage OOC was very high. That is the most important factor in getting teams into the dance.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 29, 2014 13:45:42 GMT -8
The bottom of the conference just needs to win. A bad schedule with a good record is very good for the bottom half of the conference. Not just the bottom, but the middle and top as well. IIRC, other than SDSU... with very few exceptions... the MW across the board. was very weak in OOC this past season. UNM & Boise were okay (barely), but UNLV & Nevada were pretty weak. The top half of the conference needs to schedule good teams. The bottom half doesn't need to do that.
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Post by jdgaucho on Apr 29, 2014 14:05:25 GMT -8
The bottom of the conference just needs to win. A bad schedule with a good record is very good for the bottom half of the conference. Not just the bottom, but the middle and top as well. IIRC, other than SDSU... with very few exceptions... the MW across the board. was very weak in OOC this past season. UNM & Boise were okay (barely), but UNLV & Nevada were pretty weak. 9-4 is a good OOC record but nothing stood out for UNLV. Even after we rolled them up in Vegas, they had other chances at decent wins and came up short. Lost by single digits to ASU, Arizona and Illinois.
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Post by standiego on Apr 29, 2014 15:08:25 GMT -8
I believe a team that wants to be invited to play in MM is going to need not just a good OOC record .That can be two to five teams in the MW. But it will also need to include quality wins against top 25 or top 50 wins especially on the road or neutral courts. Comments from the selection group . The OOC winning % is good but you also need quality wins as part of that. In my opinion what most people, remember is how your team and conference do in MM . 2013 MW got 5 teams in but had the 2-5 record , I would be of the opinion the Conference did not perform well and it was not a good year for the MW. the last good year for the MW was when the Aztecs and BYU did well in MM .UNM has had two good seasons the last two years of conference play but flopped twice in MM . Maybe I expect too much but I think you can not just be happy getting into MM but you need to win a game or more . What was BSU record last year , to those doing the selecting not good enough to even get them an invite into the NIT . They had a decent OOC record but lost to Kentucky and Iowa State . MW flopped in 2013 MM , when it came to winning games , did poorly in 2013-14 OOC and it cost the league for selecting and placement for MM and NIT . Aztecs performed well and were rewarded .
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Post by hoobs on Apr 29, 2014 15:44:19 GMT -8
@ Bill... yes, agreed. Top half needs to play some decent teams and win to build RPI. Bottom half just needs to win games against scrubs.
@ Gaucho... their home loss to you, plus zero quality wins hurt from both the subjective eye test, but crucially also in RPI... which hurt the rest of us.
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Post by gator82 on Apr 29, 2014 19:44:25 GMT -8
Well UNLV has OOC games against Kansas. Arizona, possibly Duke, Arizona St next year.
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Post by adammclane on Apr 29, 2014 20:22:26 GMT -8
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Post by aztec00 on Apr 29, 2014 20:33:55 GMT -8
Anything is possible, but it isn't going to happen. Maybe if we all played on the flat land, but those notorious trips to the alps kill us. And Boise has really given us a heck of a time the past few years; even with inferior talent, they play us down to the wire. New Mexico is our new BYU and the constant thorn in our side. Love what we have going for next year, but we won't run the table.
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