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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 9:31:03 GMT -8
My definition of mediocre is fairly harsh. I look at SDSU football in the Mountain West and compare that to WAC basketball. USU had been a more dominant figure in their bball conference than we have been in football. Both teams were playing in the shadow of a bigger profile ( for lack of a better term) mid-major team. When USU stepped up to a better but by no means power conference, it was clear that they are not a "good team". If a league were formed of the bottom two teams in each of the power five conferences and sdsu was thrown in the mix, we would get smoked. Dead last would be my guess. We have a long way to go to be a better than average team and a way to go to truly be average. I would be happy with continued progress in the form of dominating a $#!+ bird conference, occasionally beating the dregs of the power five, and hopefully a more exciting product on the field.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 15, 2014 9:32:03 GMT -8
If Brady Hoke came back I'd cry with joy Now those who hate Brady for having the temerity to leave SDSU for his dream job can feel free to say they don't want such a scumbag back under any circumstances. You can't knock the guy for leaving us for Michigan, especially when it's his dream job. I'm pretty sure he said from the beginning, when he was signing his contract with us that the only case he might leave is if the spot at Michigan opened up (Lloyd Carr was on the hot seat, that's why he said that). He was an assistant for a while there, and I think he might have played there. In any case, he had a bond with that program, not to mention it's historically one of (if not THE) best program in college football... Anyone with a degree of empathy would understand his decision to leave.
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Post by pdraztec on Apr 15, 2014 10:01:59 GMT -8
And we have a mediocre poster in you. Thanks for all your continued nothing but negativity.
You must be a lot of fun around your house.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 15, 2014 10:09:24 GMT -8
If a league were formed of the bottom two teams in each of the power five conferences and sdsu was thrown in the mix, we would get smoked. Dead last would be my guess. Kentucky 2-10, 0-8, lost to WE and UL Arkansas 3-9, 0-8, lost to Rutgers, twice Purdue 1-11, 0-8, horrible Illinois 4-8, 1-7, California 1-11, 0-9, out scored by ~300 Colorado 4-8, 1-8, beat Charleston Southern, Cal, CSC and Central Arkansas Iowa State 3-9, 2-7, Kansas, WV and Tulsa Kansas 3-9, 1-8, LaTech, WV and SDU NC State 3-9, 0-8 Virginia 2-10, 0-8 Seriously, we would finish dead last in that conference?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 10:10:42 GMT -8
And we have a mediocre poster in you. Thanks for all your continued nothing but negativity. You must be a lot of fun around your house. Yes, I am a lot of fun at home.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 10:11:06 GMT -8
If a league were formed of the bottom two teams in each of the power five conferences and sdsu was thrown in the mix, we would get smoked. Dead last would be my guess. Kentucky 2-10, 0-8, lost to WE and UL Arkansas 3-9, 0-8, lost to Rutgers, twice Purdue 1-11, 0-8, horrible Illinois 4-8, 1-7, California 1-11, 0-9, out scored by ~300 Colorado 4-8, 1-8, beat Charleston Southern, Cal, CSC and Central Arkansas Iowa State 3-9, 2-7, Kansas, WV and Tulsa Kansas 3-9, 1-8, LaTech, WV and SDU NC State 3-9, 0-8 Virginia 2-10, 0-8 Seriously, we would finish dead last in that conference? Yes
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Post by A4L on Apr 15, 2014 11:28:18 GMT -8
Don't understand all the kicking issues. At many major programs kicker is a walk on position, SDSU will now have three on scholarship. McMorrow was a very successful high school kicker who kicked off the ground with some good offers other than SDSU. I don't see coaching as an issue as kickers are like running backs, running backs run, kickers kick. One college coach when asked how he coached an NFL running back that was entering the Hall of Fame said "I gave him the ball". Kickers are similar. It is hard to understand how these kickers are missing PATs, unless they are not making effort in practice. That would be coaching, but I doubt with the poor performance their efforts are watched closely. And I agree, many of the fourth down efforts last year were not fourth and short. Here's the problem: A kicker needs a kicking coach to diagnose his problem. Just like a quarterback needs a quarterback coach. If he has a bad throw, the coach can diagnose the problem by saying your dropping your elbow, etc. and doesn't just say you have to complete that pass. Duh! Don't you think the quarterback knows that. But when it comes to kickers, that's how they coach them, "you have to make that kick." How about coaching him up and telling him why he missed it. I'm going to say something from experience that might shock all of you, high school kickers are not that good. Even the very best in high school are just alright. Kickers get stronger, mature and refine their technique throughout their college career. The problem with state is that they have no one who is knowledgeable to oversee the maturation process. Big programs bring in kicking consultants but Rocky thinks this hurts more than helps. He has had offers from John Carney and Michael Husted to name a couple. In high school, these kickers go to their kicking coaches 20+ times a year. Rocky still seems to think they have time to go to them on their own time once they get to college. Lets do the timeline, Aug-Christmas football, two weeks off for Christmas (last thing you want to do is kick after 4 months of it), January-may school/spring ball, June-July summer "voluntary" workouts. So when a kicker is used to seeing his kicking coach 20+ times a year in high school, how is he supposed to progress if his college coach doesn't bring in a consultant. Not to mention his disdain for the position doesn't help with a kickers confidence. I am an alum and I bleed red and black, but I would never let one of my kickers play for him because I want my kickers to be successful.
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 15, 2014 11:53:42 GMT -8
Don't understand all the kicking issues. At many major programs kicker is a walk on position, SDSU will now have three on scholarship. McMorrow was a very successful high school kicker who kicked off the ground with some good offers other than SDSU. I don't see coaching as an issue as kickers are like running backs, running backs run, kickers kick. One college coach when asked how he coached an NFL running back that was entering the Hall of Fame said "I gave him the ball". Kickers are similar. It is hard to understand how these kickers are missing PATs, unless they are not making effort in practice. That would be coaching, but I doubt with the poor performance their efforts are watched closely. And I agree, many of the fourth down efforts last year were not fourth and short. Here's the problem: A kicker needs a kicking coach to diagnose his problem. Just like a quarterback needs a quarterback coach. If he has a bad throw, the coach can diagnose the problem by saying your dropping your elbow, etc. and doesn't just say you have to complete that pass. Duh! Don't you think the quarterback knows that. But when it comes to kickers, that's how they coach them, "you have to make that kick." How about coaching him up and telling him why he missed it. I'm going to say something from experience that might shock all of you, high school kickers are not that good. Even the very best in high school are just alright. Kickers get stronger, mature and refine their technique throughout their college career. The problem with state is that they have no one who is knowledgeable to oversee the maturation process. Big programs bring in kicking consultants but Rocky thinks this hurts more than helps. He has had offers from John Carney and Michael Husted to name a couple. In high school, these kickers go to their kicking coaches 20+ times a year. Rocky still seems to think they have time to go to them on their own time once they get to college. Lets do the timeline, Aug-Christmas football, two weeks off for Christmas (last thing you want to do is kick after 4 months of it), January-may school/spring ball, June-July summer "voluntary" workouts. So when a kicker is used to seeing his kicking coach 20+ times a year in high school, how is he supposed to progress if his college coach doesn't bring in a consultant. Not to mention his disdain for the position doesn't help with a kickers confidence. I am an alum and I bleed red and black, but I would never let one of my kickers play for him because I want my kickers to be successful. You make a lot of good points. I would add also, something that never seems to come up in these 'kicking problems' discussions. The placekicking game basically relies on a three man team - the kicker, the holder, the snapper. Maybe there's something subtle that needs to be corrected with one of the other two team members? I'm not trying to defend any of the kickers per se, just throwing that possibility out there. I'm sure the coaches already thought of that, just not sure if many fans have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:26:29 GMT -8
Here's the problem: A kicker needs a kicking coach to diagnose his problem. Just like a quarterback needs a quarterback coach. If he has a bad throw, the coach can diagnose the problem by saying your dropping your elbow, etc. and doesn't just say you have to complete that pass. Duh! Don't you think the quarterback knows that. But when it comes to kickers, that's how they coach them, "you have to make that kick." How about coaching him up and telling him why he missed it. I'm going to say something from experience that might shock all of you, high school kickers are not that good. Even the very best in high school are just alright. Kickers get stronger, mature and refine their technique throughout their college career. The problem with state is that they have no one who is knowledgeable to oversee the maturation process. Big programs bring in kicking consultants but Rocky thinks this hurts more than helps. He has had offers from John Carney and Michael Husted to name a couple. In high school, these kickers go to their kicking coaches 20+ times a year. Rocky still seems to think they have time to go to them on their own time once they get to college. Lets do the timeline, Aug-Christmas football, two weeks off for Christmas (last thing you want to do is kick after 4 months of it), January-may school/spring ball, June-July summer "voluntary" workouts. So when a kicker is used to seeing his kicking coach 20+ times a year in high school, how is he supposed to progress if his college coach doesn't bring in a consultant. Not to mention his disdain for the position doesn't help with a kickers confidence. I am an alum and I bleed red and black, but I would never let one of my kickers play for him because I want my kickers to be successful. You make a lot of good points. I would add also, something that never seems to come up in these 'kicking problems' discussions. The placekicking game basically relies on a three man team - the kicker, the holder, the snapper. Maybe there's something subtle that needs to be corrected with one of the other two team members? I'm not trying to defend any of the kickers per se, just throwing that possibility out there. I'm sure the coaches already thought of that, just not sure if many fans have. Whether the problem was just our kickers or something broader, the fact is we had the worst kicking game in the country last year. Inexcusably bad. So bad that McGarry earned his reassignment to a "personnel" job and whomever it is who will replace him can't help but improve things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:02:09 GMT -8
You make a lot of good points. I would add also, something that never seems to come up in these 'kicking problems' discussions. The placekicking game basically relies on a three man team - the kicker, the holder, the snapper. Someone's also gotta block so that the whole thing doesn't just fall to $#!+. I think we might have a weakness here that people are overlooking. your right there how many times did I see Siragusa get smoked on points after. The ,line was just awful on special teams
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:05:27 GMT -8
Someone's also gotta block so that the whole thing doesn't just fall to $#!+. I think we might have a weakness here that people are overlooking. your right there how many times did I see Siragusa get smoked on points after. The ,line was just awful on special teams I did not say I wanted him, just that I htink he is a likley choice if Rocky goes. I expected him to fall on his face at Michigan.Frankly I would rather hire DeRuyter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:18:19 GMT -8
Although it's been a long time since we did so, hiring a HC from within our own conference has not worked out well.
As to Hoke, in 2009, he took inherited SDSU's worst team in half a century and managed to win four games, one of which, at CSU, broke a streak of 10 consecutive road losses. In 2010, Hoke beat two 9-win teams, AFA and Navy, and lost to TCU, Missouri and Utah, whose combined record was 33-6, by a cumulative total of just 12 points. Is Hoke the greatest thing since sliced bread? Maybe not but weren't SDSU and I'd be surprised if we could find anyone better.
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Post by RockNFish on Apr 15, 2014 13:36:21 GMT -8
Don't understand all the kicking issues. At many major programs kicker is a walk on position, SDSU will now have three on scholarship. McMorrow was a very successful high school kicker who kicked off the ground with some good offers other than SDSU. I don't see coaching as an issue as kickers are like running backs, running backs run, kickers kick. One college coach when asked how he coached an NFL running back that was entering the Hall of Fame said "I gave him the ball". Kickers are similar. It is hard to understand how these kickers are missing PATs, unless they are not making effort in practice. That would be coaching, but I doubt with the poor performance their efforts are watched closely. And I agree, many of the fourth down efforts last year were not fourth and short. Here's the problem: A kicker needs a kicking coach to diagnose his problem. Just like a quarterback needs a quarterback coach. If he has a bad throw, the coach can diagnose the problem by saying your dropping your elbow, etc. and doesn't just say you have to complete that pass. Duh! Don't you think the quarterback knows that. But when it comes to kickers, that's how they coach them, "you have to make that kick." How about coaching him up and telling him why he missed it. I'm going to say something from experience that might shock all of you, high school kickers are not that good. Even the very best in high school are just alright. Kickers get stronger, mature and refine their technique throughout their college career. The problem with state is that they have no one who is knowledgeable to oversee the maturation process. Big programs bring in kicking consultants but Rocky thinks this hurts more than helps. He has had offers from John Carney and Michael Husted to name a couple. In high school, these kickers go to their kicking coaches 20+ times a year. Rocky still seems to think they have time to go to them on their own time once they get to college. Lets do the timeline, Aug-Christmas football, two weeks off for Christmas (last thing you want to do is kick after 4 months of it), January-may school/spring ball, June-July summer "voluntary" workouts. So when a kicker is used to seeing his kicking coach 20+ times a year in high school, how is he supposed to progress if his college coach doesn't bring in a consultant. Not to mention his disdain for the position doesn't help with a kickers confidence. I am an alum and I bleed red and black, but I would never let one of my kickers play for him because I want my kickers to be successful. Are you sure about this "bring in kicking consultants,” there are NCAA limits on number of coaches, and how many hours a week coaches can work with players - I'm pretty sure hiring a specialist to work with players either during the season or off-season would be a violation of NCAA rules. Kickers, like QBs, can/do hire their own consultants to work with them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:38:13 GMT -8
well I have to Agree the Way, Brady Hoke left was pretty sleazy. I understand his move to Michigan but he really skulked out of town. The only reason I bring up DE Ruyter is that he knows the conference and puts up a lot of points. However, he inherited a great quarterback and some really good wide receivers. Since I don't think any change is going to come for at least two years, we have time to check that out. It looks like Rocky has swung in the opposite direction as far as line size as everybody is bigger and heavier now. I don't know that this season might not be much better than expected if the defense is anything like what shown in practice.When at New Mexico he had huge olines and a qb that could ru8n. So it's kind of premature to judge the season.
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Post by RockNFish on Apr 15, 2014 13:42:01 GMT -8
JYP - are you referring to his time on the Mesa or UNM also? Here are stats for UNM FG portion of their kicking game for the years 03-08. These were the only years I could find. Other than the 04 season, it looks like RL's teams were pretty solid in the FG game. 2003 16-18 89% 2004 11-17 64% 2005 13-15 87% 2006 19-23 83% 2007 29-35 83% 2008 18-24 75% Primarily here, though I have this lingering memory of him bringing in Katie Hnida to kick a FG in a bowl game against (I think) UCLA. The numbers you posted are better than I would have expected, so thanks for doing it. I still can't help but wondering which of the moving parts isn't functioning properly here. Maybe it's something in the water up there because to say---over 30 years---that we haven't had dependable kickers here would be a breathtaking understatement. Was an extra point On August 30, 2003 she became the first woman to score in a Division I-A game when she kicked two extra points against Texas State University in the fourth quarter of a 72-8 New Mexico win.[8] While at New Mexico she played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl against UCLA, when her extra point attempt was blocked
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 15:35:54 GMT -8
Hoke would still have been at SDSU in 2011 had he not been hired by Michigan since Jerry Kill took the Minnesota job a month before that. I'm not saying he withdrew his name from consideration at Minnesota but we don't know that he didn't. I just don't understand the animosity toward him. Is Hoke perfect? Hardly. But to repeat, we are San Diego State! NOT effing Florida State.
Does anybody really think that if Hoke returned to SDSU he would just leave again after two years? I say no way. Even aside from his ethics, no P5 school would offer him again for at least a few years for fear he'd turn around and bail on them right away.
This issue is going to be moot anyway since Hoke is going to parlay two excellent recruiting classes into a Rose Bowl berth.
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Post by A4L on Apr 15, 2014 17:02:32 GMT -8
Here's the problem: A kicker needs a kicking coach to diagnose his problem. Just like a quarterback needs a quarterback coach. If he has a bad throw, the coach can diagnose the problem by saying your dropping your elbow, etc. and doesn't just say you have to complete that pass. Duh! Don't you think the quarterback knows that. But when it comes to kickers, that's how they coach them, "you have to make that kick." How about coaching him up and telling him why he missed it. I'm going to say something from experience that might shock all of you, high school kickers are not that good. Even the very best in high school are just alright. Kickers get stronger, mature and refine their technique throughout their college career. The problem with state is that they have no one who is knowledgeable to oversee the maturation process. Big programs bring in kicking consultants but Rocky thinks this hurts more than helps. He has had offers from John Carney and Michael Husted to name a couple. In high school, these kickers go to their kicking coaches 20+ times a year. Rocky still seems to think they have time to go to them on their own time once they get to college. Lets do the timeline, Aug-Christmas football, two weeks off for Christmas (last thing you want to do is kick after 4 months of it), January-may school/spring ball, June-July summer "voluntary" workouts. So when a kicker is used to seeing his kicking coach 20+ times a year in high school, how is he supposed to progress if his college coach doesn't bring in a consultant. Not to mention his disdain for the position doesn't help with a kickers confidence. I am an alum and I bleed red and black, but I would never let one of my kickers play for him because I want my kickers to be successful. Are you sure about this "bring in kicking consultants,” there are NCAA limits on number of coaches, and how many hours a week coaches can work with players - I'm pretty sure hiring a specialist to work with players either during the season or off-season would be a violation of NCAA rules. Kickers, like QBs, can/do hire their own consultants to work with them. There are loopholes in everything. You dont directly pay the consultant but instead you allow them to run your kicking camp. Or, many consultants just do it as a resume builder. If a kicker goes 8/16 and the next year goes 16/16, that does more than getting the little you would get anyway. I know a handful of consultants that have done it at big programs.
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Post by OnionHead on Apr 16, 2014 6:39:26 GMT -8
And we have a mediocre poster in you. Thanks for all your continued nothing but negativity. You must be a lot of fun around your house. This comment was meant for poster myownwords on Page 1. The dude has some major anger problems. I guarantee people like this do NOTHING for the betterment of SDSU and wish they'd go away. Negative, dead weight. Go Aztecs
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Post by RockNFish on Apr 16, 2014 8:01:53 GMT -8
Are you sure about this "bring in kicking consultants,” there are NCAA limits on number of coaches, and how many hours a week coaches can work with players - I'm pretty sure hiring a specialist to work with players either during the season or off-season would be a violation of NCAA rules. Kickers, like QBs, can/do hire their own consultants to work with them. There are loopholes in everything. You dont directly pay the consultant but instead you allow them to run your kicking camp. Or, many consultants just do it as a resume builder. If a kicker goes 8/16 and the next year goes 16/16, that does more than getting the little you would get anyway. I know a handful of consultants that have done it at big programs. Aren't these camps for high school players?
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Post by A4L on Apr 16, 2014 9:31:27 GMT -8
There are loopholes in everything. You dont directly pay the consultant but instead you allow them to run your kicking camp. Or, many consultants just do it as a resume builder. If a kicker goes 8/16 and the next year goes 16/16, that does more than getting the little you would get anyway. I know a handful of consultants that have done it at big programs. Aren't these camps for high school players? Yes, the camps are for high school players, but this is the schools way of "paying" them. If they pay them then they are considered a coach which is a NCAA violation. The big programs have the kicker and the consultant meet offsite (once or twice a week in the offseason) so that it is a non team or school function and they keep it off the books by rewarding the consultants running their recruiting camps.
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