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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:04:05 GMT -8
was the worst in the MWC. Thanks to the Fresno fan from whom the following was stolen.
San Diego St: 38 attempts, 15 conversions (39.5%)
Fresno St: 32 attempts, 21 conversions (65.6%)
New Mexico: 28 attempts, 15 conversions (53.6%)
Nevada: 28 attempts, 14 conversions (50.0%)
Air Force: 27 attempts, 16 conversions (59.3%)
Hawaii: 27 attempts, 12 conversions (44.4%)
San Jose St: 26 attempts, 16 conversions (61.5%)
Colorado St: 25 attempts, 15 conversions (60.0%)
UNLV: 25 attempts, 12 conversions (48.0%)
Boise St: 23 attempts, 12 conversions (52.2%)
Wyoming: 22 attempts, 10 conversions (45.5%)
Utah St: 19 attempts, 8 conversions (42.1%)
That despite the fact we tied Cal for the most attempts in the country and so had plenty of practice.
So along with the OL, the biggest area of improvement has to be placekicking and it will be very interesting to see who wins the job in fall camp.
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 13, 2014 12:22:23 GMT -8
That stat could be misleading because distance isn't factored in. I suspect many teams had 4th and short and with SDSU's kicking woes, I suspect SDSU's tries weren't 4th and inches or 1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:25:49 GMT -8
That stat could be misleading because distance isn't factored in. I suspect many teams had 4th and short and with SDSU's kicking woes, I suspect SDSU's tries weren't 4th and inches or 1. Good point. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 13, 2014 15:34:13 GMT -8
Most important stat is W's
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 14, 2014 7:22:24 GMT -8
was the worst in the MWC. Thanks to the Fresno fan from whom the following was stolen. San Diego St: 38 attempts, 15 conversions (39.5%) Fresno St: 32 attempts, 21 conversions (65.6%) New Mexico: 28 attempts, 15 conversions (53.6%) Nevada: 28 attempts, 14 conversions (50.0%) Air Force: 27 attempts, 16 conversions (59.3%) Hawaii: 27 attempts, 12 conversions (44.4%) San Jose St: 26 attempts, 16 conversions (61.5%) Colorado St: 25 attempts, 15 conversions (60.0%) UNLV: 25 attempts, 12 conversions (48.0%) Boise St: 23 attempts, 12 conversions (52.2%) Wyoming: 22 attempts, 10 conversions (45.5%) Utah St: 19 attempts, 8 conversions (42.1%) That despite the fact we tied Cal for the most attempts in the country and so had plenty of practice. So along with the OL, the biggest area of improvement has to be placekicking and it will be very interesting to see who wins the job in fall camp. My question is, why does it seem like ALL of our kickers go south as soon as they arrive here? There's more to the kicking problem than the kickers themselves. Don't ask me what because I don't know. What I do know is that this has always been a Rocky Long hallmark. I'm sure him throwing the kickers under the bus in press conferences doesn't help their confidence, and kicking is all about confidence. I cringe at a lot of the stuff he says about the kickers in press conferences, he specifically points them out Plus if they miss a few he'll bench them, then if the backup misses one he'll bench that one and put the other one back in. He has zero confidence in his kickers |
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Post by robthevol on Apr 14, 2014 7:41:30 GMT -8
Don't understand all the kicking issues. At many major programs kicker is a walk on position, SDSU will now have three on scholarship. McMorrow was a very successful high school kicker who kicked off the ground with some good offers other than SDSU.
I don't see coaching as an issue as kickers are like running backs, running backs run, kickers kick. One college coach when asked how he coached an NFL running back that was entering the Hall of Fame said "I gave him the ball". Kickers are similar.
It is hard to understand how these kickers are missing PATs, unless they are not making effort in practice. That would be coaching, but I doubt with the poor performance their efforts are watched closely.
And I agree, many of the fourth down efforts last year were not fourth and short.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 7:48:33 GMT -8
My question is, why does it seem like ALL of our kickers go south as soon as they arrive here? There's more to the kicking problem than the kickers themselves. Don't ask me what because I don't know. What I do know is that this has always been a Rocky Long hallmark. I'm sure him throwing the kickers under the bus in press conferences doesn't help their confidence, and kicking is all about confidence. I cringe at a lot of the stuff he says about the kickers in press conferences, he specifically points them out Plus if they miss a few he'll bench them, then if the backup misses one he'll bench that one and put the other one back in. He has zero confidence in his kickers +28. Before our kickers even had a chance to screw up, in around June last year Rocky talked about going for it on fourth down most of the time rather than attempting FGs. Remember he had some article that said going for it was statistically better? Rocky's a really strange guy. Must like the taste of his shoe. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 14, 2014 11:43:34 GMT -8
was the worst in the MWC. Thanks to the Fresno fan from whom the following was stolen. San Diego St: 38 attempts, 15 conversions (39.5%) Fresno St: 32 attempts, 21 conversions (65.6%) New Mexico: 28 attempts, 15 conversions (53.6%) Nevada: 28 attempts, 14 conversions (50.0%) Air Force: 27 attempts, 16 conversions (59.3%) Hawaii: 27 attempts, 12 conversions (44.4%) San Jose St: 26 attempts, 16 conversions (61.5%) Colorado St: 25 attempts, 15 conversions (60.0%) UNLV: 25 attempts, 12 conversions (48.0%) Boise St: 23 attempts, 12 conversions (52.2%) Wyoming: 22 attempts, 10 conversions (45.5%) Utah St: 19 attempts, 8 conversions (42.1%) That despite the fact we tied Cal for the most attempts in the country and so had plenty of practice. So along with the OL, the biggest area of improvement has to be placekicking and it will be very interesting to see who wins the job in fall camp. You fail logic 101. Teams that try more 4th downs will tend to have the lower conversion percentages. This is due to the fact that the extra ones they try will be ones that other teams wouldn't. Why do you think other teams wouldn't? Simple - they are more difficult. It is no surprise that more difficult tries are successful less often. |
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Post by aztech on Apr 14, 2014 12:17:35 GMT -8
I'm sure him throwing the kickers under the bus in press conferences doesn't help their confidence, and kicking is all about confidence. I cringe at a lot of the stuff he says about the kickers in press conferences, he specifically points them out Plus if they miss a few he'll bench them, then if the backup misses one he'll bench that one and put the other one back in. He has zero confidence in his kickers +28. Before our kickers even had a chance to screw up, in around June last year Rocky talked about going for it on fourth down most of the time rather than attempting FGs. Remember he had some article that said going for it was statistically better? Rocky's a really strange guy. Must like the taste of his shoe. McGarry wasn't worth a damn, yet Rocky protected him. Wasn't he the LB coach before ST coach? It's not a coincidence that our linebacking is undergoing a resurgence since he stopped coaching them. Rocky's loyalty speaks well for him as a person, but is damaging to the team. I guess it's a geriatrics covering geriatrics kind of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 14:35:21 GMT -8
it is indicative of our offensive play ,we had o big guys to throw to,all out backs were under six foot and 215,line was really shoddy. Quarterback has limited ability.We really missed Escobar.. our defensive red zone was as bad. WE were not a good team sorry Rocky just had a weak schedule.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 14, 2014 15:36:18 GMT -8
it is indicative of our offensive play ,we had o big guys to throw to,all out backs were under six foot and 215,line was really shoddy. Quarterback has limited ability.We really missed Escobar.. our defensive red zone was as bad. WE were not a good team sorry Rocky just had a weak schedule. That is really funny. If we only won because our schedule was weak, then you would also expect those other numbers to be good because the schedule was weak. Your comment about the schedule is therefore not relavant to this discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 23:19:00 GMT -8
it is indicative of our offensive play ,we had o big guys to throw to,all out backs were under six foot and 215,line was really shoddy. Quarterback has limited ability.We really missed Escobar.. our defensive red zone was as bad. WE were not a good team sorry Rocky just had a weak schedule. That is really funny. If we only won because our schedule was weak, then you would also expect those other numbers to be good because the schedule was weak. Your comment about the schedule is therefore not relavant to this discussion.T I don't think that necessarily is logical, you could have a weak schedule and still have poor statistics in key areas. Particularly true if you barely win against teams you should win big against. I will give Rocky credit for greatly increasing the talent on this team with the exception of quarterback. Hopefully the young guys will pan out.The fact remains that the last two years the offensive line is given up something l"ke 70 sacks and in many instances couldn't get a yard or half a yard on third or fourth down. I was particularly upset by the well we went to another bowl game what else do you want attitude." The loss to Las Vegas was just horrible I am totally perplexed by the play of the offensive line when there seems to be an abundance of talent there. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 15, 2014 6:40:46 GMT -8
That is really funny. If we only won because our schedule was weak, then you would also expect those other numbers to be good because the schedule was weak. Your comment about the schedule is therefore not relavant to this discussion.T I don't think that necessarily is logical, you could have a weak schedule and still have poor statistics in key areas. Particularly true if you barely win against teams you should win big against. I will give Rocky credit for greatly increasing the talent on this team with the exception of quarterback. Hopefully the young guys will pan out.The fact remains that the last two years the offensive line is given up something l"ke 70 sacks and in many instances couldn't get a yard or half a yard on third or fourth down. I was particularly upset by the well we went to another bowl game what else do you want attitude." The loss to Las Vegas was just horrible I am totally perplexed by the play of the offensive line when there seems to be an abundance of talent there. So our competition was weak except for sacking QBs and stopping teams in short yardage. OK. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 15, 2014 6:57:36 GMT -8
I think people are getting way too caught up in statistics. Football can't be analyzed purely on numbers. Watch us play, and you'd see that we weren't all that great and neither was our competition. We were just a little better than our competition so we had a decent record.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 15, 2014 7:52:46 GMT -8
We have a mediocre team, with no star players, and a mediocre coach with no future. We are going to have mediocre and unpredictable results against mediocre to poor opponents in a horrible conference. That is what our administration has foisted upon us. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 8:45:44 GMT -8
We have a mediocre team, with no star players, and a mediocre coach with no future. We are going to have mediocre and unpredictable results against mediocre to poor opponents in a horrible conference. That is what our administration has foisted upon us. Thank you. Star players is a kind of generic term, Muema was a star player in my opinion as was Behre the personnel is not mediocre but its performance last year was.The team is lacking two things,an outstanding QB and an oline than can protect the qb and get short yardage.Quin is oK he is a good game manager. I think Ruffin will really have a big year. Obviously I am much more pro-Rocky then you are but that's not saying much. We have recruited very well the last few years but the Achilles' heel on this team has been the offensive line play. The other areas we haven't had a star quarterback to use your words in years. Now Kevin O'Connell was a very good quarterback but he didn't have the supporting cast. Our facilities are starting to fall behind, were not going to do that well in tickets because San Diego fans like explosive exciting football. That's what brings them out to the gate, the explosive offense. We would have to double or more are coaches salary to get a coach that we could be sure would at least match Rocky's record or better. Rocky is 83rd in salary. Fresno State coach makes one and a half million dollars a recent bump. Wyoming's coach makes more than Rocky as does Troy Calhoun at Air Force.the list of coaches between 1 million and 2 million is not too exciting. Now I know some of you were all worked up about Dino Babers but Dino has more treads than Rocky. He did a horrible job as offensive coordinator at Arizona and bounced around ever since. He certainly learned big offense when a Baylor but I guarantee you his defenses will be awful. I still have a gut level feeling that if Rocky doesn't have some solid seasons the next two years and by that I mean nine wins or more we will see the return of Brady Hoke. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 15, 2014 8:51:55 GMT -8
Star players is a kind of generic term, Muema was a star player in my opinion as was Behre the personnel is not mediocre but its performance last year was.The team is lacking two things,an outstanding QB and an oline than can protect the qb and get short yardage.Quin is oK he is a good game manager. I think Ruffin will really have a big year. Obviously I am much more pro-Rocky then you are but that's not saying much. We have recruited very well the last few years but the Achilles' heel on this team has been the offensive line play. The other areas we haven't had a star quarterback to use your words in years. Now Kevin O'Connell was a very good quarterback but he didn't have the supporting cast. Our facilities are starting to fall behind, were not going to do that well in tickets because San Diego fans like explosive exciting football. That's what brings them out to the gate, the explosive offense. We would have to double or more are coaches salary to get a coach that we could be sure would at least match Rocky's record or better. Rocky is 83rd in salary. Fresno State coach makes one and a half million dollars a recent bump. Wyoming's coach makes more than Rocky as does Troy Calhoun at Air Force.the list of coaches between 1 million and 2 million is not too exciting. Now I know some of you were all worked up about Dino Babers but Dino has more treads than Rocky. He did a horrible job as offensive coordinator at Arizona and bounced around ever since. He certainly learned big offense when a Baylor but I guarantee you his defenses will be awful. I still have a gut level feeling that if Rocky doesn't have some solid seasons the next two years and by that I mean nine wins or more we will see the return of Brady Hoke. If Brady Hoke came back I'd cry with joy |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 15, 2014 9:02:42 GMT -8
We have a mediocre team, with no star players, and a mediocre coach with no future. We are going to have mediocre and unpredictable results against mediocre to poor opponents in a horrible conference. That is what our administration has foisted upon us. Thank you. Star players is a kind of generic term, Muema was a star player in my opinion as was Behre the personnel is not mediocre but its performance last year was.The team is lacking two things,an outstanding QB and an oline than can protect the qb and get short yardage.Quin is oK he is a good game manager. I think Ruffin will really have a big year. Obviously I am much more pro-Rocky then you are but that's not saying much. We have recruited very well the last few years but the Achilles' heel on this team has been the offensive line play. The other areas we haven't had a star quarterback to use your words in years. Now Kevin O'Connell was a very good quarterback but he didn't have the supporting cast. Our facilities are starting to fall behind, were not going to do that well in tickets because San Diego fans like explosive exciting football. That's what brings them out to the gate, the explosive offense. We would have to double or more are coaches salary to get a coach that we could be sure would at least match Rocky's record or better. Rocky is 83rd in salary. Fresno State coach makes one and a half million dollars a recent bump. Wyoming's coach makes more than Rocky as does Troy Calhoun at Air Force.the list of coaches between 1 million and 2 million is not too exciting. Now I know some of you were all worked up about Dino Babers but Dino has more treads than Rocky. He did a horrible job as offensive coordinator at Arizona and bounced around ever since. He certainly learned big offense when a Baylor but I guarantee you his defenses will be awful. I still have a gut level feeling that if Rocky doesn't have some solid seasons the next two years and by that I mean nine wins or more we will see the return of Brady Hoke. Good points. I have my good days when I'm not so harsh. I just see zero public enthusiasm from the city, or the citizens, and not even this damn administration. No attempt by the latter--apparently--to strive for greatness in football, at all. Extending Rocky Long's contract without any fear that he would leave, or anyone in the country would want him as head coach, convinced me of that. An aphorism, but nonetheless true: No risk, no reward. |
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Post by dshawfan on Apr 15, 2014 9:18:00 GMT -8
was the worst in the MWC. Thanks to the Fresno fan from whom the following was stolen. San Diego St: 38 attempts, 15 conversions (39.5%) Fresno St: 32 attempts, 21 conversions (65.6%) New Mexico: 28 attempts, 15 conversions (53.6%) Nevada: 28 attempts, 14 conversions (50.0%) Air Force: 27 attempts, 16 conversions (59.3%) Hawaii: 27 attempts, 12 conversions (44.4%) San Jose St: 26 attempts, 16 conversions (61.5%) Colorado St: 25 attempts, 15 conversions (60.0%) UNLV: 25 attempts, 12 conversions (48.0%) Boise St: 23 attempts, 12 conversions (52.2%) Wyoming: 22 attempts, 10 conversions (45.5%) Utah St: 19 attempts, 8 conversions (42.1%) That despite the fact we tied Cal for the most attempts in the country and so had plenty of practice. So along with the OL, the biggest area of improvement has to be placekicking and it will be very interesting to see who wins the job in fall camp. My question is, why does it seem like ALL of our kickers go south as soon as they arrive here? There's more to the kicking problem than the kickers themselves. Don't ask me what because I don't know. What I do know is that this has always been a Rocky Long hallmark.JYP - are you referring to his time on the Mesa or UNM also? Here are stats for UNM FG portion of their kicking game for the years 03-08. These were the only years I could find. Other than the 04 season, it looks like RL's teams were pretty solid in the FG game. 2003 16-18 89% 2004 11-17 64% 2005 13-15 87% 2006 19-23 83% 2007 29-35 83% 2008 18-24 75% Read more: www.aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/37586/spring-football?page=2#ixzz2yyaZFG4o |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 9:24:14 GMT -8
I still have a gut level feeling that if Rocky doesn't have some solid seasons the next two years and by that I mean nine wins or more we will see the return of Brady Hoke. If Brady Hoke came back I'd cry with joy I told this to John Kentera several weeks ago and feel pretty strongly about it. During what two eras the last quarter century has SDSU football attendance dramatically increased? The answer is under Al Lugenbill and Brady Hoke. Love them or hate them, and both certainly have their detractors, the enthusiasm and energy those guys brought to Montezuma Mesa was successful in firing up casual fans to come out and support the team. Although it can be argued that true fans will come out regardless, the fact is that casual fans have shown that they simply won't. And even as a diehard fan, I personally enjoyed the atmosphere surrounding the team a helluva lot more when Lugie and Hoke were at the helm than is the case with Rocky Long. So I'm with you, giggly, in thinking that at least as far as attendance goes, we would be much better off if Hoke returned. Now those who hate Brady for having the temerity to leave SDSU for his dream job can feel free to say they don't want such a scumbag back under any circumstances. |
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