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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 21, 2009 11:30:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 22, 2009 7:53:46 GMT -8
I just read some information on how Tricare and Medicare will be affected. This bill better go down.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 23, 2009 9:31:32 GMT -8
The guy's troubles started in 2004 and were entirely with the Bush justice department. But you still try and put an Obama spin on it.  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 23, 2009 11:36:12 GMT -8
The guy's troubles started in 2004 and were entirely with the Bush justice department. But you still try and put an Obama spin on it. Point well taken. The problem with the govt. getter ever bigger and more powerful is that whoever is in charge can easily be tempted to abuse that power. No, it's not just the current administration that is guilty of this sort of thing. As you say, this guy's problems started when Bush was in office. Just a reminder that whoever is in power should not be abusing the people's discretionary power in this fashion. AzWm |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 23, 2009 13:46:43 GMT -8
The definition of big government greatly depends upon your idealogical persuasion.
To the left, the Patriot Act was big government run amok depriving us of many of our constitutional rights. The right wished for more of the same.
To the right, the idea of national health care is big government making or limiting their choice. The left believes that providing universal care for everyone is a basic right and should be the function of government.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 24, 2009 14:29:22 GMT -8
The definition of big government greatly depends upon your idealogical persuasion. To the left, the Patriot Act was big government run amok depriving us of many of our constitutional rights. The right wished for more of the same. To the right, the idea of national health care is big government making or limiting their choice. The left believes that providing universal care for everyone is a basic right and should be the function of government. You can argue all you want about what you think should be a legit function of government, but HealthKare is not one of those functions. If this issue is not approached on a piece meal basis it will be found un-Constitutional. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 25, 2009 8:57:03 GMT -8
The definition of big government greatly depends upon your idealogical persuasion. To the left, the Patriot Act was big government run amok depriving us of many of our constitutional rights. The right wished for more of the same. To the right, the idea of national health care is big government making or limiting their choice. The left believes that providing universal care for everyone is a basic right and should be the function of government. You can argue all you want about what you think should be a legit function of government, but HealthKare is not one of those functions. If this issue is not approached on a piece meal basis it will be found un-Constitutional. The right also said that Social Security and Medicare were un-constitutional when they were passed. The court decided otherwise. What clause of the constitution renders it un-constitutional? |
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 25, 2009 13:42:21 GMT -8
You can argue all you want about what you think should be a legit function of government, but HealthKare is not one of those functions. If this issue is not approached on a piece meal basis it will be found un-Constitutional. The right also said that Social Security and Medicare were un-constitutional when they were passed. The court decided otherwise. What clause of the constitution renders it un-constitutional? I suspect that since HealthKare is not a legit function and that part of the proposed bill(s) forces folks to buy coverage, that it will be found unconstitutional. This is different than Auto Insurance since it is not a public satety issue. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 25, 2009 17:32:28 GMT -8
Not every new law or program is necessarily unconstitutional (though I think many are). Unfortunately, constitutionality has become a flexible concept, with the exact definition left up to the biases and prejudices of 9 members of the SCOTUS.
If and when we arrive at a point at which the Constitution is considered a "living document" to be interpreted in whatever manner the ruling party finds convenient, that document will have become, essentially, a dead letter. I 'm afraid we are close to that point.
With respect to new govt. programs, the most important issue is not whether that law is constitutional, but whether the new program is good for the U.S. Clearly, those on the Left, and especially the extreme Left, feel that it is in the country's best interest to have the federal government control the U.S. health care system. Long-time readers of this site will not be surprised to learn that my opinion is the opposite of that.
AzWm
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 26, 2009 8:07:18 GMT -8
I agree with your position, but I have a little more faith in what "The Supremes" will do. Wait and see!
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