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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 13:56:13 GMT -8
To "A"s for OF Seth Smith.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 14:03:20 GMT -8
Seth Smith is a lefty who hits right handed pitching but sucks against lefties. This makes a lot of sense. The Padres are going to lose the Venable/Donorfia platoon because Venable will play in CF. The new Donorfia/Smith RF platoon will make a good RF.
Seth Smith Versus RHP 2011-2013
.274 .354 .468 .822
Smith and Donorfia will share RF probably getting equal playing time. Smith/Donorfia will play together when Donorfia backs up Venable or Smith backs up Quentin. They can both get 350+ AB
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 14:26:03 GMT -8
Hate to lose Gregerson because he has been a solid reliever, but he is a free agent after thisBut Smith season and is probably eyeing the 3-year, $15M deal Joe Smith just got from the Angels. Smith is a comparable middle reliever.
Smith is nothing special, and Venable as the every day CF is still cause for some concern. But Smith does have value in a platoon situation.
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Post by aztecron on Dec 3, 2013 14:26:20 GMT -8
Seth Smith is a lefty who hits right handed pitching but sucks against lefties. This makes a lot of sense. The Padres are going to lose the Venable/Donorfia platoon because Venable will play in CF. The new Donorfia/Smith RF platoon will make a good RF. Seth Smith Versus RHP 2011-2013.274 .354 .468 .822 Smith and Donorfia will share RF probably getting equal playing time. Smith/Donorfia will play together when Donorfia backs up Venable or Smith backs up Quentin. They can both get 350+ AB I hope you're right. I would've expected a little more for Gregerson though. I hope Smith turns out better than the last left handed hitter we had with a history in Colorado. Ugh, Brad Hawpe. Yes, I know Smith came to us from the A's, they got Smith from the Rockies.  |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 3, 2013 14:49:50 GMT -8
Seth Smith is a lefty who hits right handed pitching but sucks against lefties. This makes a lot of sense. The Padres are going to lose the Venable/Donorfia platoon because Venable will play in CF. The new Donorfia/Smith RF platoon will make a good RF. Seth Smith Versus RHP 2011-2013.274 .354 .468 .822 Smith and Donorfia will share RF probably getting equal playing time. Smith/Donorfia will play together when Donorfia backs up Venable or Smith backs up Quentin. They can both get 350+ AB I really don't like this. Assuming Gregerson had more value at the trade deadline (which could be false), I just don't get the value in improving your fifth outfielder spot like this. Gregerson *is* a shut down reliever. His numbers are extraordinarily consistent and that makes him different from most relievers (who are difficult to project). Maybin has shown that he has potential to be a 3-5 WAR center fielder when healthy (2.9 WAR in his crappy 2012 season), and he will be a Padre through 2016. I guess my question is, how much better is Seth Smith than Cameron Maybin? Maybin in CF is pretty good, and Venable *is* Seth Smith…just seems like they could have done a lot better at the trade deadline if they were going to move Gregerson either way. |
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Post by mayham81 on Dec 3, 2013 15:21:34 GMT -8
What about Maybin?
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 15:46:38 GMT -8
Venable will beat him out for CF. Maybin will have to earn it, I don't think he will. 5th OF/defensive replacement/trade bait. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 15:48:47 GMT -8
Seth Smith is a lefty who hits right handed pitching but sucks against lefties. This makes a lot of sense. The Padres are going to lose the Venable/Donorfia platoon because Venable will play in CF. The new Donorfia/Smith RF platoon will make a good RF. Seth Smith Versus RHP 2011-2013.274 .354 .468 .822 Smith and Donorfia will share RF probably getting equal playing time. Smith/Donorfia will play together when Donorfia backs up Venable or Smith backs up Quentin. They can both get 350+ AB I really don't like this. Assuming Gregerson had more value at the trade deadline (which could be false), I just don't get the value in improving your fifth outfielder spot like this. Gregerson *is* a shut down reliever. His numbers are extraordinarily consistent and that makes him different from most relievers (who are difficult to project). Maybin has shown that he has potential to be a 3-5 WAR center fielder when healthy (2.9 WAR in his crappy 2012 season), and he will be a Padre through 2016. I guess my question is, how much better is Seth Smith than Cameron Maybin? Maybin in CF is pretty good, and Venable *is* Seth Smith…just seems like they could have done a lot better at the trade deadline if they were going to move Gregerson either way. The Padres will have a number of pitchers who won't be starting who could move to the pen. But finding a stud 8th inning guy will be something they will have to do. We were one of the best at closing games with a lead. Gregerson and Street were the reason why. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 3, 2013 16:31:17 GMT -8
Venable will beat him out for CF. Maybin will have to earn it, I don't think he will. 5th OF/defensive replacement/trade bait. Doesn't make sense to trade Maybin now. He's got a lot of potential and we've seen him post near 3+ WAR seasons in back-to-back years. I don't really understand the reasoning behind wasting his value and moving Venable to CF (where he appears to have been better last year than he usually is, but I don't really buy any Saber fielding stats). I think this is my real issue with the trade. The upgrade is basically Smith>Maybin. I don't think the difference there (if it exists) equals Luke Gregerson. I do think it's an upgrade to get Smith into the outfield, but is that really the best the Padres could do for Gregerson? Seems suspect to me. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 3, 2013 16:33:11 GMT -8
I really don't like this. Assuming Gregerson had more value at the trade deadline (which could be false), I just don't get the value in improving your fifth outfielder spot like this. Gregerson *is* a shut down reliever. His numbers are extraordinarily consistent and that makes him different from most relievers (who are difficult to project). Maybin has shown that he has potential to be a 3-5 WAR center fielder when healthy (2.9 WAR in his crappy 2012 season), and he will be a Padre through 2016. I guess my question is, how much better is Seth Smith than Cameron Maybin? Maybin in CF is pretty good, and Venable *is* Seth Smith…just seems like they could have done a lot better at the trade deadline if they were going to move Gregerson either way. The Padres will have a number of pitchers who won't be starting who could move to the pen. But finding a stud 8th inning guy will be something they will have to do. We were one of the best at closing games with a lead. Gregerson and Street were the reason why. I totally agree that the Padres have pitching depth. I just think Gregerson/Street is as good an 8th/9th inning combo as there is. Gregerson is as predictable a reliever as there is in the game, and the Padres get back a platoon right fielder for him? Fine, if that was something they needed. I just don't think it was. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 16:58:16 GMT -8
The Padres will have a number of pitchers who won't be starting who could move to the pen. But finding a stud 8th inning guy will be something they will have to do. We were one of the best at closing games with a lead. Gregerson and Street were the reason why. I totally agree that the Padres have pitching depth. I just think Gregerson/Street is as good an 8th/9th inning combo as there is. Gregerson is as predictable a reliever as there is in the game, and the Padres get back a platoon right fielder for him? Fine, if that was something they needed. I just don't think it was. They really needed a bat that could hit right handed pitching. That was a weakness last year. They may be looking to add a reliever that is close to Gregerson or feel they have the pieces to come close to replacing Gregerson. Hard to judge without all the pieces in place. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 17:02:17 GMT -8
Venable will beat him out for CF. Maybin will have to earn it, I don't think he will. 5th OF/defensive replacement/trade bait. Doesn't make sense to trade Maybin now. He's got a lot of potential and we've seen him post near 3+ WAR seasons in back-to-back years. I don't really understand the reasoning behind wasting his value and moving Venable to CF (where he appears to have been better last year than he usually is, but I don't really buy any Saber fielding stats). I think this is my real issue with the trade. The upgrade is basically Smith>Maybin. I don't think the difference there (if it exists) equals Luke Gregerson. I do think it's an upgrade to get Smith into the outfield, but is that really the best the Padres could do for Gregerson? Seems suspect to me. You don't really buy the "Saber fielding stats" but quote Maybin's WAR. Maybin's WAR value is mostly based upon his "Saber fielding stats". I watched Venable in CF last year. He gets a great jump, is really fast, takes the right angle, and closes very well. I like him in CF. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 3, 2013 17:05:33 GMT -8
I totally agree that the Padres have pitching depth. I just think Gregerson/Street is as good an 8th/9th inning combo as there is. Gregerson is as predictable a reliever as there is in the game, and the Padres get back a platoon right fielder for him? Fine, if that was something they needed. I just don't think it was. They really needed a bat that could hit right handed pitching. That was a weakness last year. They may be looking to add a reliever that is close to Gregerson or feel they have the pieces to come close to replacing Gregerson. Hard to judge without all the pieces in place. I think Venable/Alonso/Headley/Cabrera/Grandal pretty much cover that, don't you? A platoon right fielder just wasn't a need. Smith is an upgrade in a vacuum, no doubt. However, I think I'd rather have Gregerson than the extra .3 WAR you get from Smith over Maybin. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 3, 2013 17:15:39 GMT -8
Doesn't make sense to trade Maybin now. He's got a lot of potential and we've seen him post near 3+ WAR seasons in back-to-back years. I don't really understand the reasoning behind wasting his value and moving Venable to CF (where he appears to have been better last year than he usually is, but I don't really buy any Saber fielding stats). I think this is my real issue with the trade. The upgrade is basically Smith>Maybin. I don't think the difference there (if it exists) equals Luke Gregerson. I do think it's an upgrade to get Smith into the outfield, but is that really the best the Padres could do for Gregerson? Seems suspect to me. You don't really buy the "Saber fielding stats" but quote Maybin's WAR. Maybin's WAR value is mostly based upon his "Saber fielding stats". I watched Venable in CF last year. He gets a great jump, is really fast, takes the right angle, and closes very well. I like him in CF. Fair point, but that doesn't change Maybin's WAR or my point. Maybin is a better defensive center fielder in my opinion. I don't mind Venable out there, but I do think Maybin & Venable in the outfield is a very good combo for the park and the division (Coors, AT&T, Dodger Stadium). Regardless, we don't disagree about Venable in centerfield. The point of disagreement is how big of an upgrade Seth Smith is over Maybin. You're obviously very low on Maybin. I am very high on Gregerson, and while Seth Smith for Gregerson may be fair value on the market, it simply doesn't benefit the Padres as much as keeping Gregerson would have IMO. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 3, 2013 17:50:43 GMT -8
You don't really buy the "Saber fielding stats" but quote Maybin's WAR. Maybin's WAR value is mostly based upon his "Saber fielding stats". I watched Venable in CF last year. He gets a great jump, is really fast, takes the right angle, and closes very well. I like him in CF. Fair point, but that doesn't change Maybin's WAR or my point. Maybin is a better defensive center fielder in my opinion. I don't mind Venable out there, but I do think Maybin & Venable in the outfield is a very good combo for the park and the division (Coors, AT&T, Dodger Stadium). Regardless, we don't disagree about Venable in centerfield. The point of disagreement is how big of an upgrade Seth Smith is over Maybin. You're obviously very low on Maybin. I am very high on Gregerson, and while Seth Smith for Gregerson may be fair value on the market, it simply doesn't benefit the Padres as much as keeping Gregerson would have IMO. | Chris | Denorfia | .259 | .310 | .346 | .656 | | Cameron | Maybin | .244 | .313 | .362 | .675 | | Seth | Smith | .274 | .354 | .468 | .822 |
Huge difference. That is what the Padres wanted. I think I posted earlier about needing a platoon player to complement Denorfia. I will see if I can find it. It is a very good pickup. Padres stats by Pitching handednessvRHP .241 .303 .365 .668 vLHP .254 .319 .410 .728 We needed help versus RHP. We got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 6:34:35 GMT -8
Tim Dierkes of MLBTradeRumors (on Twitter) expected Luke Gregerson to fetch more than Seth Smith. The Padres and A's swapped the two in a one-for-one swap earlier today. www.mlbtraderumors.com/ |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 4, 2013 9:35:00 GMT -8
So this is their idea of an active winter? This is what we can get with all our so-called pitching depth? Hard to judge "the winter" when it isn't over yet. They have made a few moves so far and addressed some major issues: 40 man roster, starting pitching, RF, Lack of hitting against RHP. What do you want next? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 16:58:50 GMT -8
You're wasting your time, John. AztecBill is always convinced the Padres are ready to "contend" and when they don't he'll have a myriad of reasons why they did not. And yes, they could DEFINITELY add some more power to their lineup.
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