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Post by AztecBill on Apr 30, 2013 8:10:55 GMT -8
One thing I sometimes do to compare two players is see what is needed to make them equal.
If Alonzo hit 6 home runs and had 10 strikeouts. And Rizzo hit 3 doubles, 9 singles, and made one non-K out.
They would both be exactly equal.
It is funny that according to OPS 3 doubles, 9 singles, and an out (2.077) is worth more than 6 home runs in 16 ABs (1.875). That shows the problems that OPS has, since Rizzo is ahead of Alonzo in OPS. So, A > B and C > D but A+C = B+D. Shows an inconsistent system.
I really couldn't say which I would choose between the differences of the two. The value of Home runs versus singles and doubles is greater in tough pitched low scoring games but in other games the difference shrinks.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 30, 2013 20:49:10 GMT -8
After seeing how easy it is to hit home runs in Wrigley Field, Rizzo seems like the right type of player for that park. But Alonzo may just be the better choice for the Padres at Petco Park. Line drive doubles hitters are a better option for the Padres.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 10:18:37 GMT -8
After seeing how easy it is to hit home runs in Wrigley Field, Rizzo seems like the right type of player for that park. But Alonzo may just be the better choice for the Padres at Petco Park. Line drive doubles hitters are a better option for the Padres. It's not easy to hit homeruns anywhere. EASIER....than Petco? Of course. But Rizzo is also taking walks, and has his OPS up to .833. Bill, what if I told you that Rizzo only had two homers at Wrigley, and SIX on the road? And an .830 road OPS compared to .821 at home. For the record, both hitters have exactly SIX doubles. So let's not pretend Alonso has been some line drive double machine. Though, his numbers at Petco have been terrific, off the charts really. Hopefully he can bump up those dreadful road splits. I like the player a lot.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 17, 2013 14:42:57 GMT -8
Production from 1B - 2013 (thru June 16)
Chi Cubs .245 .331 .451 .782 SD Padre .292 .345 .446 .790
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 17, 2013 14:53:23 GMT -8
Since your post. Rizzo hit 2 home runs in 172 at bats. Cashner started 9 games. Padres are 7-2 in those games. ERA 3.39 2013 WARRizzo 0.7 Cashner pitching 0.6 Cashner hitting 0.2 (.235 average) Cashner total 0.8 It doesn't seem like such a lopsided trade anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 18:13:36 GMT -8
Since your post. Rizzo hit 2 home runs in 172 at bats. Cashner started 9 games. Padres are 7-2 in those games. ERA 3.39 2013 WARRizzo 0.7 Cashner pitching 0.6 Cashner hitting 0.2 (.235 average) Cashner total 0.8 It doesn't seem like such a lopsided trade anymore. Rizzo is in a slump, which is to be expected for a kid his age. He still has an OPS around .790, to go with his 10 HR and 39 RBI. I think he's going to be pretty good.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 17, 2013 18:23:58 GMT -8
I like Cashner. Probably a good trade for both teams. Rizzo fits Wrigley, where sooner or later will take advantage of that park, but I'd rather have Cashner at this point.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 25, 2013 9:32:25 GMT -8
Interesting Statisical twins
..BA..OBP..SLG..OPS..Player .253 .340 .469 .809 Rizzo .284 .341 .461 .802 Gyorko
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Post by aardvark on Jun 29, 2013 15:19:19 GMT -8
The Cubs are 12 games under .500. The Padres are currently at .500, and tied for 2nd. The Cubs appear to be more worried about refurbishing Wrigley Field. Anthony Rizzo can enjoy himself at Wrigley and as a Cub. If he learns to hit the opposite way, he can aim at the monster video board the Cubs want to put in LCF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 21:35:53 GMT -8
Shoot, I'm a fan of Cashners and become more impressed with his ability the more I see of him. I think we have a good one there. As far as the trade, I choose to believe that you don't part with first basemen prospects that are as widely regarded as Rizzo was for anything less than SEVERAL very good young prospects, or one proven all star in his prime (perhaps a team looking to shed salary).
Rizzo is only 23, he has an .800 OPS on a bad team, and he is showing incredible plate discipline with his 34 walks (OBP 80 points higher than AVG). He's still just a pup. IF he does develop into a perennial All Star 1B, I feel we need Cashner to pitch like a front of the rotation starter to feel like we didn't get taken (doesn't really matter now tho anyways). Cashner may be that guy. We'll see. He's 27 this year, and has a 4.21 ERA away from friendly Petco. On the flip side, he has been terrific at home and had a stellar June. I think his best may be yet to come as he becomes fully healthy.
Go Padres!
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 2, 2013 7:57:26 GMT -8
Shoot, I'm a fan of Cashners and become more impressed with his ability the more I see of him. I think we have a good one there. As far as the trade, I choose to believe that you don't part with first basemen prospects that are as widely regarded as Rizzo was for anything less than SEVERAL very good young prospects, or one proven all star in his prime (perhaps a team looking to shed salary). Rizzo is only 23, he has an .800 OPS on a bad team, and he is showing incredible plate discipline with his 34 walks (OBP 80 points higher than AVG). He's still just a pup. IF he does develop into a perennial All Star 1B, I feel we need Cashner to pitch like a front of the rotation starter to feel like we didn't get taken (doesn't really matter now tho anyways). Cashner may be that guy. We'll see. He's 27 this year, and has a 4.21 ERA away from friendly Petco. On the flip side, he has been terrific at home and had a stellar June. I think his best may be yet to come as he becomes fully healthy. Go Padres! You do realize that the lower your batting average is the easier it is to have "OBP 80 points higher than AVG" ? Rizzo is helped a lot playing half his games in Wrigley Field. Rizzo Home: .261 .369 .493 .862 13.4% Walks/PARizzo Road: .245 .306 .440 .746 7.0% Walks/PACubs at home: .259 .324 .455 .779 Cubs on road: .225 .276 .359 .635 Pads at home: .241 .307 .371 .678 Pads on road: .253 .316 .398 .715 If he played half his games at Petco Park, instead of Wrigley, we would likely see a player with a far different set of numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 8:38:44 GMT -8
Shoot, I'm a fan of Cashners and become more impressed with his ability the more I see of him. I think we have a good one there. As far as the trade, I choose to believe that you don't part with first basemen prospects that are as widely regarded as Rizzo was for anything less than SEVERAL very good young prospects, or one proven all star in his prime (perhaps a team looking to shed salary). Rizzo is only 23, he has an .800 OPS on a bad team, and he is showing incredible plate discipline with his 34 walks (OBP 80 points higher than AVG). He's still just a pup. IF he does develop into a perennial All Star 1B, I feel we need Cashner to pitch like a front of the rotation starter to feel like we didn't get taken (doesn't really matter now tho anyways). Cashner may be that guy. We'll see. He's 27 this year, and has a 4.21 ERA away from friendly Petco. On the flip side, he has been terrific at home and had a stellar June. I think his best may be yet to come as he becomes fully healthy. Go Padres! You do realize that the lower your batting average is the easier it is to have "OBP 80 points higher than AVG" ? Rizzo is helped a lot playing half his games in Wrigley Field. Rizzo Home: .261 .369 .493 .862 13.4% Walks/PARizzo Road: .245 .306 .440 .746 7.0% Walks/PACubs at home: .259 .324 .455 .779 Cubs on road: .225 .276 .359 .635 Pads at home: .241 .307 .371 .678 Pads on road: .253 .316 .398 .715 If he played half his games at Petco Park, instead of Wrigley, we would likely see a player with a far different set of numbers. That's a no brainer, but it doesn't take away from the fact that his plate discipline and ability to draw walks has been impressive for his age, and he has a strong skill set. He's currently tied for 10th in the NL for most walks this season. I am sure the Cubs management are very pleased with the early returns.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 2, 2013 12:03:15 GMT -8
You do realize that the lower your batting average is the easier it is to have "OBP 80 points higher than AVG" ? Rizzo is helped a lot playing half his games in Wrigley Field. Rizzo Home: .261 .369 .493 .862 13.4% Walks/PARizzo Road: .245 .306 .440 .746 7.0% Walks/PACubs at home: .259 .324 .455 .779 Cubs on road: .225 .276 .359 .635 Pads at home: .241 .307 .371 .678 Pads on road: .253 .316 .398 .715 If he played half his games at Petco Park, instead of Wrigley, we would likely see a player with a far different set of numbers. That's a no brainer, but it doesn't take away from the fact that his plate discipline and ability to draw walks has been impressive for his age, and he has a strong skill set. He's currently tied for 10th in the NL for most walks this season. I am sure the Cubs management are very pleased with the early returns. Padres with a higher OPS on the road than RizzoCarlos Quentin Logan Forsythe Everth Cabrera Kyle Blanks Nick Hundley Jesus Guzman If Rizzo played in Petco Park, he may be having a Nick Hundley or Jesus Guzman type of year Road NumbersGuzman .254 .315 .448 .763 Rizzo .245 .306 .440 .746 Guzman is a player that the Padres will probably cut.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 17:55:45 GMT -8
Sigh.....man, that's one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. That's saying a lot. I've been owning you on this board for years, but for f****s sake, Cabrera and Blanks are what, 26 or 27 years old? They've been around awhile, up and down. Rizzo is in his first full major league season after a partial last season. Nick Hundley? I won't even respond to that.
I love how earlier in the thread, you were talking about Rizzo putting up good numbers early because of Wrigley. My response showing you how he was actually doing better on the road shut you up to the point of no response. Not the first time that has happened. I'm glad you actually looked up the splits this time. And Rizzo has regressed on the road. It's a season of ups and downs.
You can compare Rizzo to Albert Pujols on the road at age 27 if you want also, I don't give a $#!+. That has nothing to do with my argument. The kid is 23 years old, and showing plenty of promise. He can play.
You're one of the most limited posters when it comes to sports IQ, but you love to try and pretend like you know what you're talking about. You're a clueless dolt, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 17:59:02 GMT -8
To add to that, Rizzo already has 301 AB's on the season. None of the guys on your list besides Everth (w/275) even has 200.
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