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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:18:27 GMT -8
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Mar 29, 2013 21:19:18 GMT -8
Disgusting because A-Rod makes so much, or disgusting because Houston is punting the present for the future? To me, Houston is just pursuing the logical conclusion that many teams should have been doing all along. The Nats are great now in large part thanks to Strasburg and Harper. If the next Stras and Harper come in the next two drafts (they won't--nothing close in all likelihood but nevertheless), Houston will get them. Both of Houston's fans know enough not to be fooled by Jed Lowrie at SS--they're going to lose more games than they win anyway. What's the difference between winning 78 v. 60? |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Mar 31, 2013 6:03:14 GMT -8
Disgusting because A-Rod makes so much, or disgusting because Houston is punting the present for the future? To me, Houston is just pursuing the logical conclusion that many teams should have been doing all along. The Nats are great now in large part thanks to Strasburg and Harper. If the next Stras and Harper come in the next two drafts (they won't--nothing close in all likelihood but nevertheless), Houston will get them. Both of Houston's fans know enough not to be fooled by Jed Lowrie at SS--they're going to lose more games than they win anyway. What's the difference between winning 78 v. 60? Just a point of contention, the Nats are great because of great management. They've built a great roster top-to-bottom with emerging talent, key acquisitions and development. It is built to win over time. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 6:07:25 GMT -8
Disgusting because A-Rod makes so much, or disgusting because Houston is punting the present for the future? To me, Houston is just pursuing the logical conclusion that many teams should have been doing all along. The Nats are great now in large part thanks to Strasburg and Harper. If the next Stras and Harper come in the next two drafts (they won't--nothing close in all likelihood but nevertheless), Houston will get them. Both of Houston's fans know enough not to be fooled by Jed Lowrie at SS--they're going to lose more games than they win anyway. What's the difference between winning 78 v. 60? Just a point of contention, the Nats are great because of great management. They've built a great roster top-to-bottom with emerging talent, key acquisitions and development. It is built to win over time. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards If Dan Haren can be anything close to his old self, their rotation is going to be disgustingly good. Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Zimmerman, Haren? Wow |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Mar 31, 2013 6:08:54 GMT -8
Just a point of contention, the Nats are great because of great management. They've built a great roster top-to-bottom with emerging talent, key acquisitions and development. It is built to win over time. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards If Dan Haren can be anything close to his old self, their rotation is going to be disgustingly good. Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Zimmerman, Haren? Wow He's in the right organization to maximize his potential. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 8:01:17 GMT -8
If Dan Haren can be anything close to his old self, their rotation is going to be disgustingly good. Stras, Gio, Detwiler, Zimmerman, Haren? Wow He's in the right organization to maximize his potential. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards The thing with him has supposedly been his health. Reports on his hip scared off some GMs. I haven't seen his spring numbers, but I hope he does well. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Mar 31, 2013 16:06:28 GMT -8
Disgusting because A-Rod makes so much, or disgusting because Houston is punting the present for the future? To me, Houston is just pursuing the logical conclusion that many teams should have been doing all along. The Nats are great now in large part thanks to Strasburg and Harper. If the next Stras and Harper come in the next two drafts (they won't--nothing close in all likelihood but nevertheless), Houston will get them. Both of Houston's fans know enough not to be fooled by Jed Lowrie at SS--they're going to lose more games than they win anyway. What's the difference between winning 78 v. 60? Just a point of contention, the Nats are great because of great management. They've built a great roster top-to-bottom with emerging talent, key acquisitions and development. It is built to win over time. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I don't disagree. Point was just that drafting 1.1 a couple years in a row, and drafting well, is very beneficial to a team trying to get better. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Mar 31, 2013 16:10:06 GMT -8
Disgusting because A-Rod makes so much, or disgusting because Houston is punting the present for the future? Both. Everyone knows that athletes (and actors) don't "deserve" to make more than foot soldiers in the middle east, but at least most of us understand the law of supply and demand. We also know that some teams have more money than others. Some teams can't spend a bajillion dollars on players we get that. However, although a sports team is privately-owned, it's also a a highly public entity. When some teams are making money from a variety of sources and just withholding it for the sake of profit alone, they betray the public trust. It is correct that the Nationals have done it right so far, but this isn't our first trip to the rodeo. The Indians followed the same model and we all see what Miami's history has looked like. With regard to the Padres, when it comes to giving money to them in any way, I'm done until the next Ray Kroc shows up. If Ron Fowler is your principal stakeholder, and if you need God knows how many more people to buy a franchise, then you cannot afford that franchise. If the goal is to win championships, and not just be competitive (which I think you'd agree with given your angst for the Padres), then the best way to go is to be really, unbelievably bad when you're bad to maximize your resources and draft pick value. I don't disagree with the notion that the players don't "earn" millions of dollars, but I'd rather them get the money than the rich owners. The money is there, arguing against players getting it just means the owners get it instead. I'd rather pay the players the money personally. As far as a public trust goes, doesn't it seem dishonest to tell your fans your team could win and rally support when you know you aren't going to be good for a couple years? Most people see right through it either way; I guess I just don't see the problem with what the Astros are doing since it's probably the best way to build an actual championship contender. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 1, 2013 1:30:21 GMT -8
Just a point of contention, the Nats are great because of great management. They've built a great roster top-to-bottom with emerging talent, key acquisitions and development. It is built to win over time. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I don't disagree. Point was just that drafting 1.1 a couple years in a row, and drafting well, is very beneficial to a team trying to get better. Certainly but how many programs get multiple 1s and fail to improve? It still takes great management to capitalize on those breaks. The team is loaded with real talent only a couple seasons removed from being a perennial doormat. I am excited for the team and that it will be in serious contention for a pennant this year. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 1, 2013 1:32:41 GMT -8
He's in the right organization to maximize his potential. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards The thing with him has supposedly been his health. Reports on his hip scared off some GMs. I haven't seen his spring numbers, but I hope he does well. Oh yeah, exactly my point. These guys are the best when it comes to managing the health of it's pitchers. He is in the right place to maximize his potential. I've drank the kool-aid. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 7:13:39 GMT -8
I don't disagree. Point was just that drafting 1.1 a couple years in a row, and drafting well, is very beneficial to a team trying to get better. Certainly but how many programs get multiple 1s and fail to improve? It still takes great management to capitalize on those breaks. The team is loaded with real talent only a couple seasons removed from being a perennial doormat. I am excited for the team and that it will be in serious contention for a pennant this year. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards The Nationals have been a fun team to watch and pull for. I really like their talent, particularly the staff. Personally, I thought the Werth contract was ridiculously stupid for a guy that was far from being a superstar. However, I'm not going to criticize the Padres for never going big, and in the same breath bash Rizzo for his decision to overpay a player who has solid talent, offensively and defensively. Most teams have a bad contract, or two or three. Should be a fun baseball season. |
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