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Post by haroldskilley on Jan 6, 2013 12:18:26 GMT -8
There may be one last way to shore up the Big East, and to make it viable for SDSU, and to also make it more appealing to schools such as Fresno to join. The key? A BYU, 4-5 game BE football scheduling agreement.
BYU is struggling with scheduling, particularly later November scheduling. The Big East should grant BYU a November scheduling agreement (4-5 games). BYU would likely jump at this.
What's in it for the Big East?
(1) Instant credibility gain. Instead of continuing to lose programs, the Big East affiliates with a big one, out west.
(2) Big East TV Deal. While BYU would be under its own TV deal still, the Big East would gain 2-3 BYU "away" games each season. This adds to the appeal of the Big East TV deal.
(3) Reassurance for SDSU. With a November deal with BYU, SDSU won't feel like it is on such an island. BYU would be effectively involved with half of the conference schedule (4 out 8 games).
(4) Makes BE more appealing to Fresno, UNLV, etc. No MWC is likely to jump to the Big East unless they feel there are other western schools on board. Having BYU on board with a long term scheduling deal (could be a written 5 year contract, up for renewal) would make teams like UNLV, Fresno, Air Force revisit the Big East.
This concession isn't as big as the "bend over" that the MWC did for Boise, and will prevent the BE from feeling like it needs to expand and add schools such as Rice or Southern Miss, because it can't find any interested teams out west.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 6, 2013 12:39:58 GMT -8
If the BE could get a scheduling agreement with BYU (a la Notre Dame/ACC) and get a guaranteed (Aresco and the BE War Room Treasury) $5 mill/year TV deal this would likely attract teams from the MWC.
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Post by haroldskilley on Jan 6, 2013 12:45:35 GMT -8
If the BE could get a scheduling agreement with BYU (a la Notre Dame/ACC) and get a guaranteed $5 mill/year TV deal this would likely attract teams from the MWC. I agree with this. BE $5M per year, and BYU (via scheduling agreement). Whether fans want to admit it or not, the only western schools in play for the Big East right now are BYU, Idaho, and NMSU. Get a BYU deal done---->then SDSU to the Big East is still viable. If not, then hello MWC for the long term.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 6, 2013 12:48:01 GMT -8
If the BE could get a scheduling agreement with BYU (a la Notre Dame/ACC) and get a guaranteed $5 mill/year TV deal this would likely attract teams from the MWC. I agree with this. BE $5M per year, and BYU (via scheduling agreement). Whether fans want to admit it or not, the only western schools in play for the Big East right now are BYU, Idaho, and NMSU. Get a BYU deal done---->then SDSU to the Big East is still viable. If not, then hello MWC for the long term. Huh?
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Post by haroldskilley on Jan 6, 2013 12:53:00 GMT -8
Maybe one alternative would be this:
SDSU to the Big East still. SDSU to idependently schedule 2, every year or alternating year, western games for its late season (November). Boise did this with BYU---10 year agreement.
This would make SDSU feel less isolated, and would maintain some regional rivalries of sorts for the later season (as opposed to playing Tulane, Temple, UConn, and East Carolina in November).
Not sure if the MWC would boycott SDSU. Teams to schedule in November (2 games per season):
(1) BYU (2) UNLV or Fresno or SJSU (3) UCLA (would Pac12 allow a late season game vs UCLA?) (4) Hawaii
Does this idea have any appeal? Could it facilitate a SDSU to the Big East? (i.e., SDSU not all by itself)
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Post by haroldskilley on Jan 6, 2013 12:54:04 GMT -8
I agree with this. BE $5M per year, and BYU (via scheduling agreement). Whether fans want to admit it or not, the only western schools in play for the Big East right now are BYU, Idaho, and NMSU. Get a BYU deal done---->then SDSU to the Big East is still viable. If not, then hello MWC for the long term. Huh? Well, I don't think there is any chance in Hell that SDSU can stay in the Big East when it is all by itself (the only Western school). It would kill recruiting---recruits want at least some regional rivalries. Maybe others disagree with this assessment.
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Post by standiego on Jan 6, 2013 12:59:25 GMT -8
After the "BSU" deal , what makes anyone think BYU would not want something similar to join either conference. As BSU has shown the name of the poker game is who has the leverage, best potential football team and can get the most money from the TV deals. Right now SDSU needs 1 to 3 teams from the West, that realize there is better potential with going to the BE. not try to hold the BE hostage if we can get an ALL Sports division. and a fair split of the money. Do not care if is Fresno, UNLV, Nevada,........ ,or even all three, just so we can get a quality deal done and head toward an ALL Sports division.
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Post by Fisher Fanatic on Jan 6, 2013 13:04:04 GMT -8
What are the chances of a long term BBall scheduling agreement with BYU, if not for football as well? Or UNLV for both sports as well? Then we can have regional games no matter what conference each team ends up in?
Any chance this happens?
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Post by McQuervo on Jan 6, 2013 13:06:07 GMT -8
No Borg, now or ever.
No thanks and on no account.
My face is handsome enough without a nose.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jan 6, 2013 13:06:20 GMT -8
If the Yners don't want to join the BE, why should we accommodate them for scheduling? It's neither our responsibility nor our obligation to help them out. BE teams will continue to jump ship whether your idea comes to fruition or not. Accommodating the Yners to "shore up the BE" will not prevent anyone from seeking the greener pastures.
Moreover, if more money doesn't appeal to either UNLV or Fresno St. because they don't want to be playing in two different leagues, then we cannot help schools who don't want to improve their financial standing.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 6, 2013 13:07:34 GMT -8
yes...I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment...
The Aztecs do not need BYU / Fresno / UNLV or Boise in order to stay in the BE...yes it would be nice..but it is not a necessity...it won't kill recruiting...and let's face it...we really don't have any other football rivals other than perhaps BYU...and that is even iffy...(basketball is a different story with UNLV being a big-time rival)
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Post by RockNFish on Jan 6, 2013 13:14:27 GMT -8
I like the idea - would help sos as well. the one draw back is not knowing how desperate ybu is with its schedule (looks pretty good for the next couple of years) - if they are really hurting, then let them hang out there until they realize there is no other choice but to join a conference, if they are solid, the why not - would benefit both sides.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jan 6, 2013 13:16:40 GMT -8
Well, I don't think there is any chance in Hell that SDSU can stay in the Big East when it is all by itself (the only Western school). It would kill recruiting---recruits want at least some regional rivalries. Maybe others disagree with this assessment. In case you haven't noticed, money has dictated everything and it will continue to do so. It's the major reason why the musical chairs hasn't ended. Regional rivalries?!?!?? Just ask Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and etc. the importance of it.
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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 6, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -8
A great idea. It might result in some open dates for BE schools, unless the conference is at an odd number. At a minimum, SDSU should use the leverage that they have with the BE to allow us to scheudle BYU each Nov.
It's all opinion at this point, but I think that staying in the MW will hurt recruiting more than going to the BE. BSU is the only real draw in the MWC.
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Post by haroldskilley on Jan 6, 2013 13:50:37 GMT -8
A great idea. It might result in some open dates for BE schools, unless the conference is at an odd number. At a minimum, SDSU should use the leverage that they have with the BE to allow us to scheudle BYU each Nov. It's all opinion at this point, but I think that staying in the MW will hurt recruiting more than going to the BE. BSU is the only real draw in the MWC. Agree with you... USC and and Stanford have benefited greatly from their November games vs Notre Dame. I think it would help San Diego State to have some good, November matchups against western teams.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 6, 2013 14:22:50 GMT -8
BYU cheats. Never, ever play them in sports for any reason and for any amount of cash. There were 12 people who told me after the bowel game that they saw the refs hand the game to the cheaters. Even the ex-coach of Oklahome-ah, Barry Switzer called them the biggest cheats in the nation.
HAM
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 6, 2013 14:26:44 GMT -8
Barruh has had problems with your Borg friends ever since they won a MNC in 1984.
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Post by ourtime on Jan 6, 2013 14:59:36 GMT -8
Well, I don't think there is any chance in Hell that SDSU can stay in the Big East when it is all by itself (the only Western school). It would kill recruiting---recruits want at least some regional rivalries. Maybe others disagree with this assessment. In case you haven't noticed, money has dictated everything and it will continue to do so. It's the major reason why the musical chairs hasn't ended. Regional rivalries?!?!?? Just ask Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and etc. the importance of it. Keep in mind those schools gave up their regional rivalries for tens of millions of dollars, not 3 or 4. Do we even have regional rivals in football? I guess some would argue Fresno St. because of that trophy, but seeing that we were in different conferences for nearly 15 years if couldn't have meant that much.
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Post by k5james on Jan 6, 2013 15:02:47 GMT -8
BYU isn't the key to anything other than a crap deal like Boise gave the MWC.
No thanks.
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Post by RB Aztec on Jan 6, 2013 15:04:24 GMT -8
Sounds good. Omit the word "Fresno" and I'd have no problem with anything here. Not sure what you have against Fresno. I definitely want them in our conference.
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