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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 6, 2013 11:42:57 GMT -8
If we don't stay with the BE, none of the following matters...
I see that a lot of folks want the BE to expand to a 16 team(or bigger!) conference by adding a bunch of western (MW) schools. I question this logic.
The TV deal will be based on the schools in, and projected to join, the BE. Adding schools beyond those will decrease the amount received by each member. Any money saved (debatable) traveling to slightly closer teams would not offset the money lost by adding schools.
We want to separate ourselves from the small market, MW schools. We want to travel and compete nationally to expand our brand -- our name recognition. We want to be able to recruit nationally. How will any of that be served if we end up playing most of our games in a western conference with SMU/Houston and a bunch of ex-MW teams?
I think that the BE should be very careful about adding any new schools. They already have created issues by adding 2 eastern FB only schools. Navy will probably never want to go all sports. I hope that ECU would be willing/able to go all sports in the near future. We are obviously ready for all sports, we just have the issue of our location.
Working with the teams already in, or planned to join the BE we can make 2 divisions:
East: UCon, Cincy, Temple, UCF, USF, ECU (all sports?), Navy (FB only)
West: Memphis, UH, SMU, Tulane, SDSU (all sports?), OPEN, AFA? (FB only)
I sorta wish that the BE had not invited Navy. The FB only limitation is an issue. Without Navy, we could just add one school in the west and have a nice 12 team all sports conference. Our FB program would get exposure in Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Memphis, and ? every year. We'd also play 3 schools from the east so we'd get some exposure in Florida and eastern markets every year. We could try to schedule one P12 and one B12 ooc every year. Isn't this what we want and need to grow? I don't get why so many want to add 4 or more MW schools?
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Post by aztecnole on Jan 6, 2013 11:57:02 GMT -8
I rather visit Dallas, Houston, or Memphis than Wyoming, Ft. Collins, Albumeth any day.
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Post by standiego on Jan 6, 2013 12:00:32 GMT -8
SDSU has been trying to get a Western Division of the BE ,for ALL Sports, 8 would be the target number, SDSU would like at least one true West Coast Team (Fresno, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, ...... get 1 or 3), to go with Houston & SMU, Tulane & Memphis, or Tulsa, or 2 Florida Schools- Call it the Southwest Division. Hire exec from ESPN to direct that devision. If needed start with 6 but get promise there will be 2 divisions after the 7 basketball schools leave.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 6, 2013 12:04:16 GMT -8
Bring Fresno St. and UNLV with us to the nBE. The Bulldoggies probably need the cash as much as SDSU and UNLV can't be happy with being a second class MWC member to Boise St.
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Post by McQuervo on Jan 6, 2013 12:07:13 GMT -8
I rather visit Dallas, Houston, or Memphis than Wyoming, Ft. Collins, Albumeth any day. True-add the TV viewship comparison. Non discussion. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 6, 2013 12:22:53 GMT -8
A 16 team BE is really two conferences with limited inter-play and a championship. Memphis would move to the east division to get them to eight FB schools; 7 all sports. West would be SDSU, UH, SMU, Tulane, plus 4 more. Let's assume FSU, UNLV, UNM, AFA (FB only). That's 7 western division games every year. That probably leaves us with one "traditional rival" from the east that we play each year. I would hope for UCF, but we'd probably get UCon, who will leave and be replaced by a school like Kent St. Yeah. So we'll trade regular games with the eastern/florida schools for more FSU, UNM and AFA games. It's funny, I really like the MW schools (unlike many who post here), but this kind of schedule for FB would sorta defeat many of the reasons for moving to the BE.
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Post by bananaslug on Jan 6, 2013 12:24:40 GMT -8
When you start to look at media markets you realize we have more leverage that it first appears particularly when long-term media contracts are so critical. Take out SDSU, UNLV, Fresno and Reno (tied to UNLV) and you pull out half the media market (SJSU has a tiny slice of the SF market). Also these are all high growth markets. | Market | Rank | Size (M) | %US | | SF/OAK/SJO | 6 | 2.5 | 2.2 | | San Diego | 28 | 1.0 | 0.89 | | Las Vegas | 40 | 0.73 | 0.64 | | Albuquerque | 45 | 0.71 | 0.62 | | Fresno | 55 | 0.57 | 0.5 | | Honolulu | 71 | 0.43 | 0.38 | | Colorado Springs | 90 | 0.34 | 0.3 | | Reno | 108 | 0.27 | 0.23 | | Boise | 112 | 0.26 | 0.23 | | Wyoming | NA | 0.22 | 0.2 | | Logan | NA | NA | NA |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 6, 2013 12:50:11 GMT -8
It needs to be sixteen because that's the way things are going. If we can't be in one of the big four leagues, our league has to at least resemble them as much as possible. I do like your choices of western teams though (although Tulane belongs in the east---did you mean Tulsa?). Not a(nother) Cal-State or Rocky Mountain team to be found! I'd like to see BYU and Boise in the west. Of the other current MWC teams, I'd consider UNM, Nevada, and UNLV but only as last resorts. I'd like the nBE to stay at 12 - 14 schools maximum. The Big 12 has 10 schools and is doing very well. If the west division grows too large, we'll either not get to play the east schools or have to go with the goofy (IMO) option of not playing everyone in your division so that you can play more teams in the other division. That option can cause huge issues when losses out of division affect who wins the division, or the two teams tied for the division championship didn't even play each other. I'd also like the BE to stay with the formula of schools in major markets, so I'm OK with BYU (Salt Lake is close enough), but not crazy about BSU, even though they have a great number of fans. Finally, New Orleans is slightly west of Memphis, if I remember my geography correctly. If not, I blame it on my state of California education! I didn't know a thing about Tulane until they were added to the BE, but I did some research and I'm impressed. Tulane could eventually be the diamond of the BE. Plus, it's more fun to travel to New Orleans than Memphis (although I've had fun on trips to Memphis). |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 6, 2013 13:36:36 GMT -8
When you start to look at media markets you realize we have more leverage that it first appears particularly when long-term media contracts are so critical. Take out SDSU, UNLV, Fresno and Reno (tied to UNLV) and you pull out half the media market (SJSU has a tiny slice of the SF market). Also these are all high growth markets. | Market | Rank | Size (M) | %US | | SF/OAK/SJO | 6 | 2.5 | 2.2 | | San Diego | 28 | 1.0 | 0.89 | | Las Vegas | 40 | 0.73 | 0.64 | | Albuquerque | 45 | 0.71 | 0.62 | | Fresno | 55 | 0.57 | 0.5 | | Honolulu | 71 | 0.43 | 0.38 | | Colorado Springs | 90 | 0.34 | 0.3 | | Reno | 108 | 0.27 | 0.23 | | Boise | 112 | 0.26 | 0.23 | | Wyoming | NA | 0.22 | 0.2 | | Logan | NA | NA | NA |
Umm, that is one narly chart. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Jan 6, 2013 13:55:25 GMT -8
I rather visit Dallas, Houston, or Memphis than Wyoming, Ft. Collins, Albumeth any day. I keep hearing this, but if the MW becomes divisional, we have Fresno, San Jose, Las Vegas, Boise. Realistically and rivalry wise, that is ten times better than the dozens who will travel to those cities. And you think cross divisional trips to Ft. Collins and ABQ would be worse than Tampa or Storrs, or Greenville? |
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Post by sdsu1975 on Jan 6, 2013 13:57:33 GMT -8
SDSU has been trying to get a Western Division of the BE ,for ALL Sports, 8 would be the target number, SDSU would like at least one true West Coast Team (Fresno, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, ...... get 1 or 3), to go with Houston & SMU, Tulane & Memphis, or Tulsa, or 2 Florida Schools- Call it the Southwest Division. Hire exec from ESPN to direct that devision. If needed start with 6 but get promise there will be 2 divisions after the 7 basketball schools leave. Forget Tulsa, NM, Col. State, SJSU, USU and Nevada. |
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Post by some_aztec on Jan 6, 2013 14:08:49 GMT -8
It needs to be sixteen because that's the way things are going. If we can't be in one of the big four leagues, our league has to at least resemble them as much as possible. I do like your choices of western teams though (although Tulane belongs in the east---did you mean Tulsa?). Not a(nother) Cal-State or Rocky Mountain team to be found! I'd like to see BYU and Boise in the west. Of the other current MWC teams, I'd consider UNM, Nevada, and UNLV but only as last resorts. I'd like the nBE to stay at 12 - 14 schools maximum. The Big 12 has 10 schools and is doing very well. If the west division grows too large, we'll either not get to play the east schools or have to go with the goofy (IMO) option of not playing everyone in your division so that you can play more teams in the other division. That option can cause huge issues when losses out of division affect who wins the division, or the two teams tied for the division championship didn't even play each other. I'd also like the BE to stay with the formula of schools in major markets, so I'm OK with BYU (Salt Lake is close enough), but not crazy about BSU, even though they have a great number of fans. Finally, New Orleans is slightly west of Memphis, if I remember my geography correctly. If not, I blame it on my state of California education! I didn't know a thing about Tulane until they were added to the BE, but I did some research and I'm impressed. Tulane could eventually be the diamond of the BE. Plus, it's more fun to travel to New Orleans than Memphis (although I've had fun on trips to Memphis). I wouldn't mind seeing 16 teams. In the non-football sports, it would allow easy travel for conference games, and then nobody would be responsible for sending their non-revenue sports across the country for "conference" games, except for maybe a championship round. |
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Post by junior on Jan 6, 2013 16:45:32 GMT -8
Correct size?  |
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Post by killiansc on Jan 6, 2013 17:30:28 GMT -8
Secs pacs bigs 10-12 all go 16 n time wit pacs last 2 doo.
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Post by killiansc on Jan 6, 2013 18:58:19 GMT -8
Secs pacs bigs 10-12 all go 16 n time wit pacs last 2 doo. Almost sounds like the kinda video that'd give your computer a virus (or maybe one of those i am a loser spammer PEOPLE ads). Contrary to what I think you said, I think the "Pacs" will "doo" it first. Seriously dude. No offense intended as I realize English isn't your native language, but couldn't you use Google translate or something? EDIT: LMAO. The word "kitchen" or some variation thereof appears to have been censored! K broe. Just hippin |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 7, 2013 2:21:00 GMT -8
Secs pacs bigs 10-12 all go 16 n time wit pacs last 2 doo. Almost sounds like the kinda video that'd give your computer a virus (or maybe one of those i am a loser spammer PEOPLE ads). Contrary to what I think you said, I think the "Pacs" will "doo" it first. Seriously dude. No offense intended as I realize English isn't your native language, but couldn't you use Google translate or something? EDIT: LMAO. The word "kitchen" or some variation thereof appears to have been censored! After applying a highly complicated computer algorithm, I determined the he was trying to say something like: "The SEC, PAC 12, Big 10 and Big 12 will all go to 16 teams in time with the PAC 12 being the last to expand to that number." Or words to that effect. Personally, I think the ACC survives as a 5th big conference but becomes slightly diminished compared to the other 4. There will be a comparable "best if the west" counterpart to the ACC which will essentially be the Eastern "best of the rest." That makes some geographic sense. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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